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Yep he still got no plan just a poor little troll.
Should have been dealt with sooner” while providing either no suggestion or a stupid one helps to identify the people you don’t want in charge of anything.
It's the result of mixing furious googling with supreme arrogance.
so if perimeter is 10k long, you could stand 200 troops* at 50m intervals to cover the whole of it. Shirley they will get a better idea of where it’s taking off and landing etc.
Good idea, they’re sure to see something the size of a tea-tray take off a kilometre outside their perimeter line...
#rollseyes
I do wonder if it happened in any other country would there have been as much incompetence.
Like America? Of course there would, nobody has any practical experience of this type of event that would give them any advantage over what’s going on here. In the States, Individual-1 would probably bring in the National Guard, who’d cut loose with automatic weapons at anything flying that’s drone-shaped, and 1500 innocent people would end up dead or injured as collateral damage.
Of course, it could have been carried out just as effectively with no drones at all, simply some people willing to say they’d seen one.
That thought occurred to me some time ago, once a threat has been established, all that’s needed is for random anonymous people to cry wolf.
Mikewsmith to every topic created in the forum.
i can take the ads, the pop ups, the shit formatting, weird classifieds and "we value your data" but im sick of seeing Mikewsmith posts
Well thanks, what's the real problem? U OK hun?
u ok Hun"
Sexist.
Get him!!!!!!!!! 😀
You got me, u OK people 😉 unless the drones did have aliens then I just got speciesist.
That idea about 200 soldiers at 50m perimeter could work if you replace the squaddies with clay pigeon shooting enthusiasts. 200 effective shotguns and sharp eyed shooters could make fantastic sport.
Good idea, they’re sure to see something the size of a tea-tray take off a kilometre outside their perimeter line…
#rollseyes
May be not the take off then, but with a person stationed every 50m around the perimeter (you know, the one where the drones are flying over ) then they have a better chance of observing where it goes after. Or do you think they are better off sat in the depatures lounge or in their little tanks
#rollseyes right back atcha
Most of the RAF would appear to be a complete waste of money.
200 effective shotguns and sharp eyed shooters could make fantastic sport.
Apart from a half decent drone would just go higher than their weapons are effective.
Most of the RAF would appear to be a complete waste of money.
Well depends what you are doing. Are we expecting to use the euro fighter against a 20kg drone?
Must cost the airport and airlines a fortune.
Apart from a half decent drone would just go higher than their weapons are effective.
I was was in a building with a load of Brimstone and Storm Shadow missiles during the week.
I imagine they’d reach?
I imagine they’d reach?
Reach yes what they going to hit 😉
Well thanks, what’s the real problem? U OK hun?
drone(s)
Interesting couple of days and I think the fallout will be massive.
All major UK airports will need proper drone counter-measures going forward as this incident has shown just how easy it is to knock out a strategic transport link, with the authorities almost powerless to stop it.
I have a feeling that the 'to dangerous to shoot it down' approach might go the same way as 'to dangerous to chase kids on stolen mopeds' if this happens again.
My daughter is convinced it was a blackmail attempt, problem getting payment so they sent another one up today to prove capability.
I say again, you’re not going to shoot down a drone with any conventional firearms...it’s hard enough to hit an aircraft that’s moving along a predictable trajectory, let alone something that’s tiny in comparison.
Something like Phalanx would work by putting up a wall of lead but that’s a terrible, terrible idea in a built up area! Im guessing the Brimstone/Stormshadow comment was tongue in cheek...but just in case, hell no! 😂 Best bet might be a DEW weapon system - google USS Ponce.
Im guessing the Brimstone/Stormshadow comment was tongue in cheek…
Tongue in cheek? .....Moi? 😉
In this forum and in this day and age, I just can’t tell anymore! 😂
Sorry if already mentioned.
Any idea what equipment the military are using as a deterrent?
Jamming electronics?? Tracking??
Any idea what equipment the military are using as a deterrent?
I could tell you, but then...
Sorry if already mentioned.
Any idea what equipment the military are using as a deterrent?
Jamming electronics?? Tracking??
Theres a pic I’ve seen with a Thule roof box on a stick.
Edit, here you go - swipe down. https://news.sky.com/story/police-hunt-drone-disruption-suspects-as-gatwick-resumes-services-11587702
Well, that was a busy day at work! Diverted to Bournemouth due to the Drone😳
Well, that was a busy day at work! Diverted to Bournemouth due to the Drone
I apologise on mikes behalf.
Theres a pic I’ve seen with a Thule roof box on a stick.
I assumed you were taking the mick initially!😆😳
A quick bit of google-fu: https://www.janes.com/article/82347/uk-signs-for-drone-dome-c-uas-system
No idea if that’s what’s being used but it can’t be far off.
^^ Good find.
We bought the system from Israel without the "hard-kill laser" capability apparently....
That might have been a bad idea after all.
It says it can use the laser to take out a drone at upto 2km!😳
Officially impressive!
Like I said, look at what the DEW on USS Ponce can do.
Way out there idea, but could you not use a mobile phone to power up a drone from anywhere in the world?
Take any nerdy 15 year old, give them soldering iron, some 26650 cells and shut them in a room for 3 hours with no internet . Yes , you can come out be online when you make my drone power up when I ring my mobile.
So when you call the phone the power to the vibrator switches a relay and the drone powers up. A pre programmed flight route is on board on already , drone takes off climbs to 200m to be above shotgun range but highly visable from the ground. Drone flies through airspace and lands on top of a huge industrial unit in eg.-nearby creepy crawly , user hangs up phone and the drone powers down.
With fairly crude low level tech you could acheive this for less than a grand, buy a burner phone with 100 hr standyby and be in a place far , far away causing maximum disruption to the Uk's second busiest airport
Disclaimer. I do not own a drone , or soldering iron.
Disclaimer. I do not own a drone
..... it's on top of an industrial unit in Crawley?
I thought the same, but even further could you use a mobile phone interface with the 'local' controller so you could even fly it remotely
Perps caught.
Way out there idea, but could you not use a mobile phone to power up a drone from anywhere in the world?
Yes. There are plenty of homebrew approaches which you could use a phone (or just wifi for).
The issue there would be the battery life.
Sounds like it was those evil cyclists to blame though. Although one who was "correctly" Hi-vis which may leave certain groups confused.
They've arrested 2 people. Maybe they didn't know any nerdy 15 year olds.
Gatwick drones: Two arrested over flight disruption http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46657505
"confirmed sighting at 17:10."
Seems to kill the Battle of Los Angeles hypothesis.
Anyone know how the 'confirmed sighting' was obtained? It was dark so would it have been sensitive radar? Or some kind of night vision? Surely it wasn't just visible in the full moon?
And since arrests followed soon after were they able to use that same technology to follow the drone roughly to the point (or in the direction) it was retrieved from? (If so that's the 'disposable drone' hypothesis gone too, they've been retrieving it all along.)
Seems a bit dim of the perps to continue playing once The Man had installed proper tracking hardware and no longer relied on plod with binoculars?
Just trying to work out what the maximum sentence is for screwing around with airport security and the safety of airline traffic. Whatever it is, they'll be getting it!
Seems a bit dim of the perps to continue playing once The Man had installed proper tracking hardware and no longer relied on plod with binoculars?
Yup, although that assumes the two perps arrested were responsible for all the drone flights, last night's might have been a copycat by dumber crims. It's possible they might not even have been the people flying the drones. They might have just (say) supplied modified drones and been arrested for that.
Just trying to work out what the maximum sentence is for screwing around with airport security and the safety of airline traffic. Whatever it is, they’ll be getting it!
IIRC from news earlier this week, drone offences are up to 5 years; however something like 'endangering the safety of an airport' or 'airliner' or whatever the phrasing was is up to life.
I think the drone flyers are heros, but they will be treated like Emmeline Pankhurst or Nelson Mandela, imprisoned until we realise we are all wrong then awarded and celebrated.
I would like to see drones fylers around the kingdom doing this randomly at all airports.
Classy response, especially considering last night was the 30th anniversary of Lockerbie.
I think the drone flyers are heros
I hope for your sake they're not campaigning for placing babies in blenders or somesuch!
EDIT: Plus the above. Lots of twin engine passenger jets around. Drone in one engine is bad news, but it should still be able to climb. Drone in one engine, followed by a bird strike and that's a plane load of innocent people crashing onto a densely populated area. You can argue that the people on the plane aren't innocent because
they're using energy to get around, but the people on the ground? Or should they die for using energy to heat their homes?
I think the drone flyers are heros, but they will be treated like Emmeline Pankhurst or Nelson Mandela, imprisoned until we realise we are all wrong then awarded and celebrated.
I would like to see drones fylers around the kingdom doing this randomly at all airports.
Ooh, someone's been listening to Jeremy Vine then 🙄
I think the drone flyers are heros
At this point you don't know anything about them or their motives, so your adulation seems to be a bit premature.
That level of satire doesn't work well here any more!
Classy response, especially considering last night was the 30th anniversary of Lockerbie.
You should check out his contribution to the suicide thread. A thoroughly unpleasant shit.
I assumed the bad spelling was to mimic the style of Daily Mail comments contributor. Never post drunk, kids.
I'm not about to say that they are heroes or anything.
However, listening to the news reports trying to convey the human costs of this incident really makes you wonder if we're not at the stage where some non-lethal terrorism is what's needed to curb the number of unnecessary flights taken.
I'm really torn on this. My girlfriend and I are from different countries and we live in a third country with two young kids. We want them to have a relationship with our families but living 1500 miles away means flying is the only practical option for now.
Do we or our parents have more right to fly three times a year than someone who wants to visit the Christmas Market in Munich for the day?
Do we or our parents have more right to fly three times a year than someone who wants to visit the Christmas Market in Munich for the day?
No. of course you don't.
You may have a more valid reason but that's diffrent to having the right.
And as for the idiot that thinks these cretins are heroes and this should happen at other airports, you probably need to seek help as you either have some deep seated issues or you really need adult supervision at all times.
He's a ****ing troll, not a very good one at that.
Troll is one word for him, but I think ‘massive c**t’ is better!
Arrested doesn't mean guilty.
How do we actually know the drones were flown in protest at the amount of air traffic?
Yeah at this point we still know very little, not even sure if the 2 arrested were flying the drones, though I'm sure the prospect of some serious charges might make them think about cooperating.
For a bunch of people who seem to have such aims they are really shy about putting that point across.
Jeez, it's only fotorat. Are collective memories so short these days? Ignore and move on.
One thing's for sure; it's demonstrated that our airports (and presumably all airports around the world) have well and truely been caught with thier trousers down.
Is this a proof of concept for something bigger?
Bloody cyclists...
Ok what stw ecowarrior snowflake did it between there quinoa lunch break? Mike i'm looking at you.
It is amazing how the snowflake/liberal/left (blah blah blah) have managed to neuter the government and it's agencies in such a way that it leaves them an open door to wreck such havoc virtually unhindered - and then forget to have the press release or video ready to send, they might just have run out of credit or be stuck on dial up though....
It's just about the best long game plan in a very long time, it's almost as good as "The Process" https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2729018-the-definitive-history-of-trust-the-process
However activism is changing and evolving to keep the fight going in plenty of areas.
https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/science-environment/2018/06/how-to-be-an-effective-environmental-activist-in-the-21st-century/
Classy response, especially considering last night was the 30th anniversary of Lockerbie.
What on earth is the relevance of this?
One is a state sponsored act deliberately aiming to kill people whereas the other has uncertain reasons behind it but I think it is safe to say wasnt intended to kill. What with the lack of drones bounced off airplanes and all.
you probably need to seek help as you either have some deep seated issues or you really need adult supervision at all times.
Seem a tad defensive there. I dont live as close to a flight path as the poor sods near the ever expanding ones do but can understand why people might be getting pissed off about the number of flights just so some muppet can go on a day trip to Lapland.
What on earth is the relevance of this?
Although unlikely to occur, it is distinctly possible that a drone could bring down a passenger jet.
No relevance. Are you serious? Sorry you are right dissonance. What do the people of Lockerbie know about the consequences of a downed passenger jet in a built up area????
I think the drone flyers are heros, but they will be treated like Emmeline Pankhurst or Nelson Mandela, imprisoned until we realise we are all wrong then awarded and celebrated
Yes. We should erect a statue to them.....Not in my backyard obvs.
Although unlikely to occur, it is distinctly possible that a drone could bring down a passenger jet.
yes if accidently or deliberately flown at it. Which there is no evidence of here.
No relevance. Are you serious?
Yes I am. The two simply cant be compared at all without either exaggerating the Gatwick scenario beyond all recognition or making light of Lockerbie.
If you read back you will see my comparison was in response to a posters comment regarding their wish that this was repeated UK wide and hence the repercussions are not restricted to the Gatwick incident.
Regarding the discussion on methodology. This is how I would do it.
With my drone, a DJI 3 Advanced I can preprogram a flight path using Litchi and that includes take off and landing points, height, direction, direction changes etc etc. I would program it to take off, climb well above the legal limit of 120m to 500m (the hard limit set by DGI in the app) at this height it would be pretty much invisible and silent to anyone on the ground, fly away from me, change direction and then head to Gatwick. Once near Gatwick drop in height and fly over the runway, then fly away in another direction while climbing back up to 500m, make another direction change and land where my partner in crime would be waiting to collect it.
I can stand 3.1 miles away from the drone take off point to initiate the flight.
The drone has a 23 minute flight time (could be increased by removing the gimbal and camera which isn't required, I'd also remove the direction indicator lights as well) and with a top speed of 38.5mph, if my calculations are correct, it has a range of 14.7 miles.
So I could be standing at just under 11 miles away from the airport. Initiate the flight, watch it fly at just under 40mph with a climb rate of 11.2mph towards Gatwick and then land just over 7 miles away from the airport to be collected.
Rinse and repeat.
NOTE: Calculations may be wrong as I'm not good at maths finking.
I dont live as close to a flight path as the poor sods near the ever expanding ones do but can understand why people might be getting pissed off about the number of flights just so some muppet can go on a day trip to Lapland.
One does sometimes wonder how many of those complaining about living under an airport flight path have lived there since the airport was built, or have moved there in recent years. It puts me in mind of the people who moved close to Castle Combe within the last twenty years then tried to get the racing circuit closed because of the noise. The circuit has been operating since 1950...
Then there are those living near military airfields, especially those with fast jets. I live near (former) RAF Lyneham, and there would be aircraft of all sorts flying in and out at all hours, including fighter jets. Only one person ever complained, and he’d moved close to the base around ten years ago, knowing full well it was an operational air transport base. I have zero sympathy for anyone moving close to anywhere like an airport or airbase, then bitching about the noise.
I've seen that pic somewhere before... oh yeah, the previous page.
I moved near the Heathrow flight path.
It was somewhere we could afford & was equidistant between both our works.
We viewed a house much closer to the flightpath & the estate agent had to pause every 90 seconds so we could hear him .
Noise pollution has been shown to have negative impact on mental & physical health & a big impact on educational attainment
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4626997/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5437751/
Never really bothered us until we has our first child, & he'd wake up at 530 on the dot as the planes started queing to land, (only on the alternate weeks the path was nearest to us)
We don't live there anymore.
But we're lucky enough to be able to afford to move elsewhere.
Where were you kimbers? In laws live in Egham. Sister in law used to live in a rented property in Stanwell, pretty much against the boundary fence.
No we were in Brentford, so the between the overground, M4 & A4, Heathrow was just one of many sources of noise !
All that said the couple arrested just seem to be RC geeks
https://twitter.com/VSG_GSOC/status/1076527859630567431?s=19
Although a recent changes to flight paths have really upset Crawley locals
No we were in Brentford
I looked at a flat in Brentford and it was quite tempting in terms of price, but the noise from planes was crazy. I can't imagine how people who move there can tolerate it.
they will be treated like Emmeline Pankhurst or Nelson Mandela
No. If you don't have a vote, disruptive tactics are reasonable. Otherwise stay within the law.
Sorry, I reacted to the troll.
Elaine Kirk is 54 apparently!?
This has got "we were back packing on the bikes with a view to getting a few plane pics from our drone" written all over it.
They'll never prove the big wedge of cash that arrived anonymously as Brexit distraction option no. 127.
54! Gosh drone mismanagement does not age you.
Surely someone's hit the wrong key, 44 I could believe but no way is she 54. Sorry meant to say string her up!