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Tony Blackburn called in 'sick' this morning .....
https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1634272992204144640?t=6fucZz1CKgUmDbSvH4p3CQ&s=19
Flip floppers and cowards.
https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1634131380526370816?t=IXVwonz0vhWzZ1W2uRrvyA&s=19
It's easy - what anyone says on twitter is their business, and then up to their employer or hirer to figure out if it voids their terms of contract.
There are no surprises that the BBC at establishment level likes to keep a righty agenda. And that's all at play here.
Also, it's very different than BBC news expressing an opinion.
I mean Andrew Neil FFS.
I don’t understand why the BBC have got themselves in such a mess over Lineker.
He has a lot more followers than either of those. Plus whilst private eye is highly political its also neutral.
The Tory party wants a culture war and it’s getting one.
The Tory party wants a culture war and it’s getting one.
Yep they're good at this.
I mean Andrew Neil FFS.
Part of the reason he left the bbc was said to be due to a tightening up on social media.
He was, amusingly, a victim of the hard rights attempt to silence bbc presenters who they didnt like
Richard Sharp is doing the job he was appointed to do.
Destroy the BBC, get rid of the licence fee and privatise.
It's gone. Kuenssberg and Bruce have helped as well.
I know he’s gone but I hardly think the loss of Popmaster is going to hurt the BBC that badly?
Radio4 discussion on this now.
Those comments from Emily Thornberry and Yvette Cooper above = they need the red wall vote to win the next election. Red wall voters have certain views about foreigners (I grew up in the North East of England so know how bigoted a lot of people "oop norf" are).
They can't come out in favour or appear neutral on the matter because then the right wing media will attack them "JEREMY CORBYN BLAH BLAH BLAH COMMUNIST LABOUR!!!!!" etc etc etc
I think they're playing a very smart game. Condemn using milder language compared to the "woke blob" Tories. I'd rather they lightly condemn Linekar, even though I don't agree with their sentiment, than lose the next election.
We need to get these Tory b+tards out, whatever the cost.
Flip floppers and cowards.
“Labour front benchers call the government Nazis” … that’s the headlines if any of them agree with the “Germany in the 30s” comment unreservedly. They can still say they understand why he said it and that he should be allowed to say it without losing his gig.
https://twitter.com/peston/status/1634251332717776896?s=21
Oh, I agree with Lineker’s comment by the way. That he specifically said “in the 30s” makes it a fair comparison, in my opinion. But that nuance will be completely ignored in the world of headlines and the division being manufactured to try and revive the fortunes of Conservative Party politicians.
Those comments from Emily Thornberry and Yvette Cooper above = they need the red wall vote to win the next election
They also need everyone elses.
The who else can people vote for approach was demonstrated rather flawed by the end of new labour so why are they taking the same approach again.
If they are just going to pander to the hard right press then they arent worth the vote. Since that will just create a new baseline for an even more extreme tory government in future which would likely be far worse than the current bunch.
This whole thing is bizarre. Man expresses personal and valid opinion regarding government immigration policy. He’s not the BBC and didn’t post from a BBC account. His opinion isn’t inflammatory if you’ve read even a tiny bit of history from the period he referenced.
I’ll probably get grief for this but those claiming it takes away from the horror of the holocaust are wrong. That didn’t spring out of thin air now did it. There was a lead up to it. To ignore the language and rhetoric used at the time and not highlight modern day equivalences would be wrong.
I know nothing about football but now have a huge amount of respect for Gary Lineker.
Well this escalated while I was asleep, bloody excellent!
That he specifically said “in the 30s” makes it a fair comparison, in my opinion. But that nuance will be completely ignored in the world of headlines and the division being manufactured to try and revive the fortunes of Conservative Party politicians.
That's the angle the govt are playing, making out he compared them to the Nazis. He didn't. He's drawing comparison with the events that led to the Nazis being in complete power and the advent of WW2. A lot of historians are trying to point this out in various places but are being drowned out by the Tory supporting media who are (annoying successfully) going down the route of destroying Lineker as a person rather than analysing the issue highlighted.
The only people who mentioned the Nazis and the Holocaust are the govt themselves.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64904333
That is the BBC headline which Rishi Sunak would have preferred to dominate the news.
Apologies if this has already been said but if the Government ever listen to the News Quiz they are going to lose their shit.
MSP
Full Member
I really hope that any further protests (refusals to do interviews with the BBC etc) make the point of supporting the plight of refugees and opposing government censorship rather than just supporting GL.
This is an important point, it can't just be support for a popular sports broadcaster, there needs to be consistent challenge to the policies behind all of this, both immigration and their attempts to curtail any challenge in the media.
Protests against the BBC will have some ministers in this cabinet cheering “job done”.
Anyway, Match of the Day tonight…
[ EDIT: sorry slowoldman, I’d missed that you’ve posted this from Viz already … but he’s on the telly! ]
I think Gary Lineker should follow Suella Braverman's excellent example by resigning in disgrace and then getting his job back a week later...
TBH if someone like Nadine Dorries is having a pop at you you're almost certainly doing something right.
No player interviews for Match of the Day tonight?
https://twitter.com/dominicpenna/status/1634493577895063552?s=21
I suspect there'll be sections at least without crowd noise, fans are usually pretty good at coming up with appropriate comment.
This is great. I usually dislike the 'power of football' as I think it diminishes other sports in this country, but I'm loving its power now.
I just hope, when I get to the 50th birthday fancy dress party I'm going to tonight, that the majority are Gary Lineker supporters. It is in Leicester, but I know a few are more right leaning than I am....
Presenters are pulling out of football focus now as well. I just wish one of them would reiterate Lineker's message on refugees (maybe they are and it's not being reported).
The UK is on a pretty dark path.
> https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/mar/10/david-attenborough-bbc-wild-isles-episode-rightwing-backlash-fears?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
The BBC are very clear that this story is untrue, that the series was commissioned as a 5 parts, and advertised as such when it was commissioned. The final film was commissioned specifically to be only e only.
BBC management are in trouble now.
Alex Scott has pulled out of Football Focus and her replacement. Show cancelled.
Footballers not going to perform interviews after the matches today, with support of the PFA.
I wonder what is going to happen on Radio 5 and the local stations today?
If the BBC double down on this, then who knows where it will end up?
Let’s not forget that this hasn’t come out of nowhere.
Remember that at the Euros we had the Tory government heavily criticising England players for taking the knee, and Raheem Sterling in particular for his statements about Black Lives Matter. They tried to censure players saying they should ‘stay out’ of politics and not make political statements
Then as soon as the team started winning, we got this horror show as lackeys were dispensed to get box-fresh Engerland shirts
https://s.yimg.com/os/creatr-uploaded-images/2021-07/67e00a70-dfb6-11eb-9e7f-543c46cd009 7" alt="" />
You’d think they’d have learnt their lesson then. Apparently not
The BBC are very clear that this story is untrue
Well, they would say that, wouldn't they.
It looks like I'm in a minority here that thinks the situation is...
He is allowed to tweet what ever he wants, but the 1930 comparison was what did him.
As soon as you start comparing people to the Nazis you're on thin ice.
I saw this on Twitter....
https://twitter.com/hearnimator/status/1633599497153421320?s=20
It's all a side show to real issues in the world.
There's better football coverage and analysis on YouTube these days.
As soon as you start comparing people to the Nazis you’re on thin ice
That isn’t what he did though, is it? Despite what the government would have you believe
There’s better football coverage and analysis on YouTube these days
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1634429942216769537?s=46&t=7OvBb1xdmiB8v--H9jItag
You are John Redwood and I claim my Brexit Dividend and flight to Rwanda
Anyway… it looks like this is escalating beyond MOTD now
https://twitter.com/alexscott/status/1634495022870437893?s=46&t=7OvBb1xdmiB8v--H9jItag
I'm going to do the alignment thing - if your viewpoints are opposed to those being pushed by Lee Anderson, John Redwood, Laurence Fox, Kelvin McKenzie and Julia Hartley-Brewer then that gives me reasonable confidence I'm in the right place.
As soon as you start comparing people to the Nazis you’re on thin ice.
He didn't do that though. He tweeted that the language used around the refugee crisis was similar to the language used in 1930's Germany. He was describing language like "swarm" and "invasion".
You are John Redwood and I claim my Brexit Dividend and flight to Rwanda
Very funny...or pathetic if you actually believed that lol
I am in the rather nice position of not liking the BBC or Gary or the Tories so I'm just sat here with my popcorn shaking my head at how this has all blown up and is getting so much passionate discourse.
When people use the 1930s Germany comparison to sensationalise their point, it diminishes the Holocaust
I saw that on twitter too, and disagree with it. As others point out, 'the holocaust' didn't just kick in one day.
Indeed, it would be tricky to decide exactly when the holocaust started. When trains started running to the death camps? Or was it Kristallnacht in 1938? Or the 1935 laws removing citizenship from Jewish people? Or government boycotts of Jewish businesses in 1933? Or when they kicked Jews out of the civil service?
Whenever it was, it started small, and grew from there. To say we can't compare anything to 1930s Germany because it wasn't as bad as 1940s Germany is dangerous ground IMO.
Lineker didn't mention the Nazis by name. He was talking about dehumanising language. And it's a fair point to raise, I think.
What is the chances of John Redwood ever actually watching MOTD? Because just the possibility that he might, would prevent me from ever stripping naked and smearing myself with marmite while watching MOTD ever again.
No fighting talk on 5live just now. I assume Colin Murray has also made a stance
Indeed, it would be tricky to decide exactly when the holocaust started.
Well "The Final Solution" was formally signed on 26th Feb 1942.
Why can nothing be compared to the holocaust? I dont get it.
GL was very specific in talking about the language. The 'othering' of these asylum seekers is reminiscent of that era.
The original plan for the Jews in Nazi Germany before they decided to gas them was to legally deport them en masse to an African state. Sound familiar?
The irrational hatred and loathing of Jews comes from much the same place as it does for Muslims or any other minority group, especially when they are ethnically different.
Throw in economic trauma, a lack of opportunity, and generally oversee a means of economic distribution where the top end benefit disproportionally to the bottom end, tapping into these deep subconscious drives becomes dangerous and unpredictable.
The results of when it boils over are well documented in history.
What's most terrifying is how demonstrably stupid Sunak and Braverman appear to be; given their personal lives, it seems insane to be lighting the fuse beneath a roiling pot of racism and hatred.
What do you call ‘effective’?
The very latest opinion poll which was conducted yesterday and today gives Labour a 24% lead.
Quite probably, but the Tories are perfectly capable of changing the herd's mind at the drop of a hat when needed.
@ thegeneralist
Some of my family members in the UK read the Daily Mail. That, and the BBC, are how they form their worldviews outside of their own experience.
One said she voted Brexit becasue she "hates Muslims".
"I dont see GL backing down, the BBC has a bit of thinking to do."
They need him far more than he needs them...
Good to see some messaging breaking through that isn't just about Lineker.
Wright also said he agreed with Lineker's tweet about the government's new asylum bill.
He said the row was "the prefect distraction for this government".
"They've got no empathy" and "the most vulnerable ones are always the ones that suffer," he added.
"He [Lineker] is so right with what's he's saying."
👍
Any chance the rugby lot will join in?
Ironically...
"Higher school attendance and the return of Premier League football after the World Cup helped boost the figure."
"Any chance the rugby lot will join in?"
Not a chance!
Spot on MSP, watching Newsnight last night was embarrassing.
On another note, Has anyone seen that art film by Douglass Gordon where the cameras just follow Zinedine Zidane around the pitch for 90 mins without any commentary?
If you haven't seen it don't worry, just watch MOTD tonight.
suburbanreuben
Free Member
“Any chance the rugby lot will join in?”Not a chance!
Yep agreed
Well the clumsy attempt to draw a line in the sand in the culture war has certainly worked. Just probably not in the way they expected.
It’s notable how few people appear to be on their side of the line and how universally obnoxious all of those people are
https://twitter.com/gnev2/status/1634481019012239361?s=46&t=7OvBb1xdmiB8v--H9jItag
suburbanreuben
Free Member
“Any chance the rugby lot will join in?”Not a chance!
Yep agreed
All the rugby is on ITV today...
Mind you, by suspending gary the BBC has brought huge attention to this issue, out side of the limited scope of Twitter.
the Tories are perfectly capable of changing the herd’s mind at the drop of a hat when needed.
Ah I see, this is all a cunning plan, the Tories have been deliberately making fools of themselves for well over a year now, and letting Labour have huge 20-30% leads, just so that at the drop of a hat they can go for a sprint finish when the general election is called.
Clever.
Ah I see, this is all a cunning plan, the Tories have been deliberately making fools of themselves for well over a year now, and letting Labour have huge 20-30% leads, just so that at the drop of a hat they can go for a sprint finish when the general election is called.
Clever.
Lol
It's going to get interesting when Labour get in at the next GE (don't tell me the Tories have a chance) and how they deal with migration.
There is an issue with mass migration around the world. You may have seen the EU is no longer welcoming people with open arms.
People have short memories - I voted labour every time and will do again - but Blair and Campbell started this rout of the BBC independence after the Gilligan/DavidKelly affair. they started to revise the governance and put huge changes in place that would make appointments more political. Everyone told them at the time that they would not be in power for ever and the Tories would take even more control and it would just become a govt mouthpiece.
Well here we are, and they are making a great case for privatising the BBC and it will be in the control of big money and hence the Tories for ever.
So just be careful what you want, the BBC needs to change, back to full independence, but it needs to stay and be the proper journalistic bastion it should be.
(Note, i am not "labour", I just feel that so far in my 50 off years they have always been the best of a bad bunch)
I'm reconsidering my stance now that the alternative seems to be Bargain Hunt reruns
They've just had to replace todays Footy Focus with a repeat of Bargain Hunt as they couldn't get anyone to host it 🤣
I wonder if MOTD will be replaced with reruns of Homes Under the Hammer?
Respectfully, that's not true that it started with Blair. You can keep going back to see the pattern at the BBC - read up on the appointment of Marmaduke Hussey as BBC chairman (1986-96), as an example.
Will be interesting to see what happens with BBC coverage of Sunday's footie fixtures.
Ok, I wont disagree with that, but you would hope that a left wing govt wouldn't pour petrol on the fire.
What is the chances of John Redwood ever actually watching MOTD? Because just the possibility that he might, would prevent me from ever stripping naked and smearing myself with marmite while watching MOTD ever again.
I have very mixed emotions on this point....
Will be interesting to see what happens with BBC coverage of Sunday’s footie fixtures.
With the momentum this seems to be gathering, I think its safe to assume it'll be the same as tonights. No pundits and no host. Apparently they can't even get anyone to commentate on games at the moment
Edit: I've just put Five Live on to catch up with the Liverpool Bournmouth game and they're playing a repeat of Kammy's podcast from yesterday
Liverpool fans readying their boycott of MOTD tonight
"I wonder if MOTD will be replaced with reruns of Homes Under the Hammer?"
My guess is that Dion Dublin has told the BBC to f*** right off.
It’s going to get interesting when Labour get in at the next GE (don’t tell me the Tories have a chance) and how they deal with migration.
It will be. But this dispute has been more about language and attitude than it is about the need for some form of limitations. The tories want to vilify and exaggerate; damning to hell all as some sort of filthy economic leaches. That's where the 1930 Germany comparisons come from. My only wish is that GL had been more specific and said "not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the early '30s" - hammering home that they (the Nazi's) started with divisive language and it snowballed from there. It's too easy looking back now to think of the atrocities that came later - in many ways it's the beginnings that are more important to look out for. It's too late once it's taken hold.
I'd recommend 'Berlin' by Len Deighton which rather horrifically depicts the boiling frog descent into madness of Nazi Germany.
With government ministers talking of an “invasion” and an “influx”, what comparisons would you draw, if it’s so outrageous to mention 30s Germany? [ EDIT: good point that having the word ‘early’ in the tweet may have made it clearer ] What about people losing their jobs because they commented negatively about government policy and language and stuck up for those being most targeted and marginalised? What does that sound like?
Edit: I’ve just put Five Live on to catch up with the Liverpool Bournmouth game and they’re playing a repeat of Kammy’s podcast from yesterday
TalkSPORT is where it’s at
jenrick on QT repeating braverman's phrase 'breaching our borders' was vomit inducing and he was, rightly, called out for it.
Dog whistle and xenophobic.
Vile.
The tories have clearly identified the target audience for their poisonous rhetoric and have mobilised their media mouthpieces and apologists.
May they all rot in hell.
Sky and BT sport should offer the football free to air whilst this mess goes on, allowing the public to watch the match with some form of explanation of whats happening on the pitch.
I'd like to see this issue fought out within the sphere of commerce, The government want to characterise this as a war on woke when in fact they are actually at war with capitalism and market forces. It is they who are behaving like the marxists in this culture war.
I am reminded of Lindsay Graham"s response when Nascar banned the Confederate flag. He said, in that Boss Hogg Southern drawl of his:
"Well..the thing is... the flag just isn't good for business".
binners
Full Member
Well the clumsy attempt to draw a line in the sand in the culture war has certainly worked. Just probably not in the way they expected.It’s notable how few people appear to be on their side of the line and how universally obnoxious all of those people are
I wish that were true, but this is a good example of the echo chamber in action. Unfortunately if you read the comments in the Daily Mail and Telegraph you'll see that the Tory's target audience has fallen right in behind them.
It’s just a matter of time before the army is drafted in to host MOTD.