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Fair enough though, there’s some quality content there. Why not lump the fee into income tax instead of the current sinister method of collection?
Because then it becomes really political.
Imagine Nadine Dorries if she actually thought she had a mandate to defund the BBC, and the ability to act on it, because it would almost certainly end up in their manifesto.
Do you use the fire brigade
Nope. Isn’t that paid out of council tax anyway? Which is means tested…
Worst. Analogy. Ever.
The BBC should be independent and able to call our politicians and their policies to account.
Anyone who doesn't believe that in last few years there has been a right wing "coup",(that's quite a charge) just needs to listen to the Emily Maitlis speech she gave a few months after resigning from the BBC.
Ironically, it was Tony Blair who made the changes that allowed the government to meddle in the senior management.
It means left handed? *scratches head*
Oh behave tj. You’re not from the 17th century and neither is Binners. Or are you just showing how clever you are because you watched QI last night 😉
I for one am happy to buy a license fee and for all of it to go to the BBC. On a per hour basis it's a ridiculously small amount of money for the use I get out of it and that's just relative to their radio output.
I could quite happily see the back of Mrs Brown's Boys and East Enders but there's some gems in the output and I love iPlayer's functionality and the lack of adverts throughout.
It would be a shame for this to precipitate a sell off and ruin it.
🙂
I havent watched the bbc in years, live or recorded, or listened to their radio stations, find them incredibly boring, but according to the licencing website :
''If you watch or record TV on any channel via any TV service (e.g. Sky, Virgin, Freeview, Freesat), you need to be covered by a TV Licence. If you watch live on streaming services (e.g. ITVX, All 4, YouTube, Amazon Prime Video, Now, Sky Go), or use BBC iPlayer*, you need to be covered by a TV Licence.''
So according to that because I pay to have now tv & netflix i need to pay the bbc..., hows that work..??
@bigdawg I know nothing about Netflix and Now tv but are you using the on demand function ie streaming as opposed to watching live?
From website:
Subscription channels like Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, Now TV, Disney Plus and Sky Go are television services that are normally paid for on a monthly basis via cable, satellite or the internet.
You will need a TV Licence if you watch live TV on a subscription channel.
But you don’t need a TV Licence if you only watch on demand programmes (other than those on BBC iPlayer) on paid-for subscription channels.
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">I binned my TV license off 2 years ago and I don’t miss it.</span><span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">
some good information here. </span>
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/broadband-and-tv/tv-licence/
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@bigdawg I know nothing about Netflix and Now tv but are you using the on demand function ie streaming as opposed to watching live?''
no just streaming even the 'live' channel is just streaming
Nope. Isn’t that paid out of council tax anyway? Which is means tested…
Worst. Analogy. Ever.
It's partly paid for by council tax.
Point is, you're paying for something you don't personally use because (at least in part) it benefits someone other than yourself. "The greater good," if you like. If everyone could pick and choose not to pay for services they didn't want, there wouldn't be enough money left to fund the ones that they did. Over half of my council tax goes to social care; I don't need that, why should I be paying for it?
I pay for a TV licence. I actually watch very little live TV. Only Connect, Doctor Who, Death in Paradise (don't judge me) and that's about it. Couldn't give a toss about football, if it disappeared totally from TV and radio it would make me happy. My entire sports viewing consumption is the Superb Owl once a year.
But.
Without the funding from people wanting to watch sportsball, or Strictly, or Bellenders, or whatever, then (frankly astonishing) programmes like Attenburough's documentaries wouldn't exist. And that, I think, would be a crying shame.
Paying only for the programmes you care about is a very Tory notion, and is a fast-track to ensuring that the only thing ever created in future is cheap but lucrative shite like new episodes of Mrs Brown's Boys.
So according to that because I pay to have now tv & netflix i need to pay the bbc…, hows that work..??
If you watch or record live as-broadcast TV then you need a licence regardless of medium or provider. If you're streaming live TV then it still counts, pulling it over the Internet rather than down a regular terrestrial aerial is not a loophole.
If you don't watch live TV then you don't need a licence. On-demand viewing via Netflix or anything else other than iPlayer does not require a TV licence.
Honestly, this licensing model is surely on borrowed time. There's going to come a point where (aside from live events) the notion of scheduled TV broadcasts will seem as alien as having to rush home to catch your favourite show back in pre-VCR days seems today.
We know what commercially funded TV looks like, we have lots of it already. BBC is worth it.
That said. Their license collection monkeys can do one.
I don't mind paying the licence fee. I think it offers value for money.
I never watch live TV anymore. Don't see the point.
I started watching Wild Isles the other night, live through the iPlayer. Then turned it off, as I could watch it in UHD on catch up.
Aye, you’re right of course Cougar. And it’s well worth the money. Can’t argue with the value. R3 or 6M would be worth it on their own. It’s actually worth it just for the World Snooker Championship coverage which is better than going to see it in the flesh, not to mention cheaper than a couple of tickets. My issue is with the method of collection. Should be added to general taxation or something and means tested. Or if not, knock off the default stance of ‘guilty until proved innocent’ (for a while) with the use of sinister goons trying to intimidate vulnerable people.
The scourge of the merciless jackboot of our authoritarian state broadcaster is truly one of the great challenges presently facing democracy
I'm happy paying the fee for the radio content I enjoy, plus the odd bit of TV - even watched live sometimes, though rare. Except the snooker - that's best watched live!!
I love iPlayer’s functionality
Except fast forward/rewind...dreadful 😂
with the use of sinister goons
Who knew there were so many left-handed goons?? 🤷♂️ 🤣🤣
If you want a vision of the future Binners. Imagine a boot stamping on a human face. Forever.
- British Broadcasting Corporation
Merely can’t understand why anyone wouldn’t be prepared to pay for it.
Maybe because I don't use it! I don't listen to radio and 99% of BBC TV output is shite. I would happily just the few things I do watch with adverts. I watch all other channels with adverts so not a big deal.
My issue is with the method of collection.
No arguments there.
I think it partly stems from the notion that "everyone has a TV" therefore everyone needs a licence. It would be considered weird to not have a TV these days. The only person I know who doesn't have one is TJ and, well, QED. 😁 Conclusion: if you don't have a licence then it's highly likely that you're breaking the law.
This presumption might have held water twenty or thirty years ago. But it falls down today because there are so many alternatives to broadcast television. Netflix, Prime, Disney+ et al, there's a new on-demand streaming provider (with an associated cost) popping up every week; movies and box sets on shinydisc; games consoles etc.
Licence enforcement via fear is nothing new, I remember the almost certainly fictitious threat of "detector vans" back in the 1970s. But these days we really shouldn't have to endure Guilty Until Proven Innocent. They just cannot make that assumption any more (and arguably they never should). It makes little more sense than knocking on your door asking why you haven't got a shotgun licence (though is likely slightly less hazardous😁).
I watch all other channels with adverts so not a big deal.
Then you're doing so illegally, you need a licence.
A truly poisonous and vitriolic article about Lineker by julie burchill in the Spectator's online lunchtime update.
Will post link later.
Then you’re doing so illegally, you need a licence.
Off to prison with you!
I think you probably need to reappraise your understanding of the word ‘sinister’
It means left handed? *scratches head*
I'm sure the wokerati must have something to say about the current usage of that word.
@ roughly £3 per week, less than a manky petrol station sandwich or half a pint in town centre pub the licence fee is astonishing value. Don’t watch much but it’s worth it.
where was I? I distantly recall that it was far from obvious for a while that AliG wasn't playing a light skinned black guy. Wasn't it only in a clip of him as a goth (poss in that film ^^) that it was made fully apparent? I would say prob to sidle away from blackface accusations. I think it's hazy territory once you get into people criticising Pacino for playing someone jewish, south asian herritage actors being hard on themselves for playing itallians, that guy in the hangover going between mexican/chinese etc etc. These things change over time and I'd personally just go with the flow.
49 years old and never owned a tv nor ever had need for a licence yet I used to get the goons at my door every so often. I pointed out to them that I don’t own a wild animal yet I have never had the wild animal licensing board at my door to check, same for the fact that I don’t own a firearm/drive an HGV etc…. Always had nice hifi equipment though and I used to listen to the radio a lot back in the day before internet stations and streaming came online.
Grew up in the wilds of Argyll and from the age of 7 through to 15 we never lived in area available to receive broadcasts due to having no signal so it never really figured in my upbringing but we did have a vcr. I have Netflix/Amazon/Apple TV these days on my iMac/iPad but I’d say 90% of the time I choose to listen to music through Tidal/Apple Music.
Having no tv is not as uncommon as many consider, quite a few of mates up here in Galloway don’t bother with one.
I don't have a tv. I was only watching news and weather (get these off t'internet), Question Time (stopped watching it as I'd have put my foot through the tv) and cycling (just get the results later). Can't say I've missed it, tbh.
Maybe because I don’t use it! ... ... 99% of BBC TV output is shite.
How do you know that if you don't watch it?
Do you use the fire brigade
Nope. Isn’t that paid out of council tax anyway? Which is means tested…
Worst. Analogy. Ever.
OK, the NHS then, you pointlessly argumentative little person not quite worth the ban hammer for.
Bit ironic. What are you all excited about?
you pointlessly argumentative little person not quite worth the ban hammer for.
If you feel like that why on earth are you engaging? I don't see how comments like that contribute anything of value.
You’re not from the 17th century and neither is Binners.
Latin is considerably older than C17. Sic transit gloria mundi
gloria mundi
Think she's off The One Show.
If you feel like that why on earth are you engaging? I don’t see how comments like that contribute anything of value.
Because I live in the forlorn hope that the folks (plural) to whom it might apply still have an ounce of self awareness.
I've not clicked the link I saw but it would appear Farage has criticised Lineker for encouraging hatred.....
towards home secretaries ?
towards home secretaries ?
Yup, and "senior figures in government". According to Nigel Farage Gary Lineker compared them to "Goebbels and the gang" which Farage claims amounts to hate speech.
Maybe Nigel Farage is a bit miffed that the Tories were alledgedly compared to the Nazis because he likes to see himself as standard bearer for the far-right?
Standard beerer more like.
Then you’re doing so illegally, you need a licence.
Apart from the fact I have a license which I have to have legally to watch the live TV with adverts which is my point that you completely missed.
The BBC license isn't the story FFS. cruelty and political censorship through abuse of soft power is.
Well said May.
Well said May.
Meaningless. She still voted for it!
FFS !
🤦🏻♂️
Well it was an enlightening evening in the pub last night.
In our ‘discussion’ about Mr Lineker’s tweet we discovered that . . .
a, R thinks Farage makes some ‘interesting’ points
b, C watches GB News, and
c, M looks vacant and dribbles - all three were fervently anti Lineker.
Plus there were two abstentions, so it was left to me to fly the flag.
If that’s indicative of British society then we might as well give up now.
Why are you paying towards it? For others to watch. Just like others are paying towards things you use. I don’t watch football either, or Eastenders… but I also don’t travel on the M25, haven’t yet had cancer treatment… etc, etc.
Big difference between M25/HS2, fire brigade and showing some sport.
haven’t yet had cancer treatment… etc, etc
The two are not even in the same ballpark....
What if we cancelled MOTD and the money was used to treat a single cancer patient? (or lots of things we actually need like access to a GP, feeding kids etc.)
I know Gary gets the £1.35M for however many MOTD per year but presumably that's the tip of the iceberg as to what it costs per episode?
Cougar
Do you use the fire brigade?
Very few people I suspect are going to watch their house burn down and think investing in MOTD over putting money into the Fire Brigade was a good idea?
If that’s indicative of British society then we might as well give up now.
A snap poll showed a clear majority supporting Lineker.
Guess who's decided petrol's a good way to let this fire die down. Depressingly predictable
He'll stir it up at all opportunities... the press don't have to be so willing to help him though... there are hundreds of other MPs whose words they could cover. It's the same old nonsense though... call out politicians for their campaigning methods, policies and language... and be tarred with attacking those who might possibly support them. But it works.
Well said May.
So a Tory MP calls out a proposed bill in the HoC but then still votes for it, what real good has it done?
Gullis is projecting, and basically admitting to being a Nazi Bigot 🤣
what real good has it done?
Very little. My "FFS" was aimed at my own comment, for praising her... only to then be updated by you that she voted for it anyway! I hit the big like button next to your post, but it doesn't tell you who did that, does it... sorry, I should have thanked you and been clearer. She should have voted against, given her correct assessment (in my eyes) of the bill. She made her words hollow with her voting actions.
Gullis is projecting, and basically admitting to being a Nazi Bigot 🤣
I think that would involve a level of lucidity that Gullis is completely incapable of
The best part about Gullis being an MP is that he's no longer a teacher, which must've been a staggeringly rough prospect for the poor kids he's 'taught'.
My “FFS” was aimed at my own comment, for praising her… only to then be updated by you that she voted for it anyway!
Thanks for clearing that up. However, I was incorrect, she didn't vote for it but abstained.
Which is still pretty shitty.
Better though. Thanks for the further update.
Big difference between M25/HS2, fire brigade and showing some sport.
Is there though?
Take the M25, what's the point of it?
No M25:
-We all grow potatoes in our own fields and live a subsistence lifestyle.
M25:
-We go to work, do a small division of the overall economy's labor. Go home again and eat the potatoes someone else grew in a field.
Collectively we've decide that to make option 2 both workable bearable then alongside primary and secondary industry there needs to be seemingly useless things like bike manufacturers and creative stuff, using creative in the very broad sense of everything from watching someone play football to watching someone act Shakespeare.
Without MTOD (and bikes, and Shakespeare) it's entirely possible your straw man cancer doctor would give up and go grow his own potatoes.
If that’s indicative of British society then we might as well give up now.
I gave up on it in 1979.
Meaningless. She still voted for it!
It's a game of two halves though. Just an early move. The real votes come later.
Apart from the fact I have a license which I have to have legally to watch the live TV with adverts which is my point that you completely missed.
Sincere apologies, I thought you'd said the opposite.
Very few people I suspect are going to watch their house burn down and think investing in MOTD over putting money into the Fire Brigade was a good idea?
You say that but, this is a country that rang 999 when KFC ran out of chicken.
It’s a game of two halves though. Just an early move. The real votes come later.
I agree, it is still uncertain whether this bill will survive. And abstention actually sends quite a powerful message, especially when it means that you are refusing to support your own party's policies. Plus if there are sufficient Tory abstentions the bill will be defeated.
thisisnotaspoon
Big difference between M25/HS2, fire brigade and showing some sport.
Is there though?
Take the M25, what’s the point of it?
No M25:
-We all grow potatoes in our own fields and live a subsistence lifestyle.M25:
-We go to work, do a small division of the overall economy’s labor. Go home again and eat the potatoes someone else grew in a field.Collectively we’ve decide that to make option 2 both workable bearable then alongside primary and secondary industry there needs to be seemingly useless things like bike manufacturers and creative stuff, using creative in the very broad sense of everything from watching someone play football to watching someone act Shakespeare.
Without MTOD (and bikes, and Shakespeare) it’s entirely possible your straw man cancer doctor would give up and go grow his own potatoes.
As someone who grows their own potatoes (and lots more) and hates the M25 I think that just highlights the difference.
I'm still eating beans grown from beans delivered on infrastructure and a load of them are still in the freezer (delivered by infrastructure) powered by electricity
I personally have no interest in doing this but without MOTD I can still walk to my local football club (several) and watch a football match (if watching a football match is somehow more creative than actually playing).
I honestly struggle to see how just broadcasting some deserving lower league match doesn't provide the same thing as MOTD.. and why these obscene sums are applicable to football not for example hockey or basketball?
I can also walk to the theatre which at the moment isn't Shakespeare but Rocky Horror though I'm sure some will come on or the library I'm almost certain has some Shakespeare.
To equate that to football MOTD I'm all for helping fund the local sports fields/halls, library and theatres as long as they cater for a wide variety of people... If the theatre want to exclusively show Tim Price or exclusively Shakespeare they seem to be failing that wide variety.
The theatre might equate to "The BBC" ..
I can also walk (or cycle) to the Bike company made either my HT or FS frames though perhaps that's less common but both required an infrastructure to get the bikes made and delivered.
Standard beerer more like.
Close but no cigar.
Standartenführer if we're going full Godwin.
Good points Tired & Ernielynch, thanks.
Watch the Theresa May clip folks... it's short yet covers many of the points very well.
[ EDIT: and is, unusually for a politician perhaps, genuinely "very clear" ]
I think Linekers lawyers should be reviewing the red wall Nazis comment. He didn't even call the government Nazis (directly). If that's not very publicly retracted, it will come back and bite us.
We have a young blinkered Tory in the office, very little real world experience/knowledge outside his comfortable middle class upbringing in one of Nottinghams most affluent areas (similar to me at that age, tbf). He felt Lineker should resign.
I queried why he was more upset by Lineker flirting with breaking BBC impartiality guidelines rather than the UK government boasting about flirting with breaking international human rights laws.
He couldn't answer, so i went back to my tofu sandwich while browsing the Guardian online.
MCTD - yes, agree that Lineker's lawyers should be reviewing gullis's comments; slander?
Demand a public retraction and apology; donation to refugee charity?
gullis's comments are not protected by parliamentary privilege as he wasn't in the house when he opined.
Go for it Gary.
gullis’s comments are not protected by parliamentary privilege as he wasn’t in the house when he opined
You'd think it would be a good thing if politicians that deliberately slander people were forced to resign...
Gary's lawyers should go for Gullis' jugular, for that rubbish said outside parliamentary privilege.
He's probably just trying to bait Lineker into trying to report him. Then it's the whole 'hypocrite snowflake doesn't like it when it happens to him' dogwhistle routine.
His voters will lap it all up, regardless.
May can **** off with her grandstanding. She was just as bad as this lot.
He’s probably just trying to bait Lineker into trying to report him. Then it’s the whole ‘hypocrite snowflake doesn’t like it when it happens to him’ dogwhistle routine.
His voters will lap it all up, regardless.
I accept that's a risk.
But Lineker didn't lie and slander anyone, he drew a fair historical comparison.
We need to call out and challenge lies and misinformation. Idiots will still be idiots, but they need to be made to understand that lies have consequences.
It would be a tough ride. But not addressing these kind of comments is kind of what Lineker was warning about in that original tweet
We need to call out and challenge lies and misinformation. Idiots will still be idiots, but they need to be made to understand that lies have consequences.
This is a huge problem in our current media landscape. Lies are allowed to fly in the name of "impartiality" and "balance".