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Thats it, play yourself in, see the new ball off and smack the bad ball when it comes. 😀Good start on that front - 5/0 after 5.4 at a rate of 0.88.
Cheers,
Jamie
What a tramsmash
Never mind, we've got Anderson at 11 haven't we?
Err, yeah- scrub that nice boring innings!
Cheers,
Jamie
AAAAAAARGH!
WTACTUALF!
oh
And that will be tea. Starc will have to wait 20 minutes to attempt his hat-trick.
They need a Fergie-style hairdrying in the clubhouse....
Ouch. 😯
Who was it said England would win the test and one-day series 10-0?
Pressure seems to get to our guys something horrible.
#ShouldntHaveDroppedNick
Who was it said England would win the test and one-day series 10-0?
Botham said they'd whitewash back to back Ashes series. Just to get his name in the paper 🙄
In two days, the game has swung back and forth 4 times so far. I have had to explain to some colleagues why Test Cricket is the pinnacle of spectator sport, so this game is helping 🙂
And the morning result check shows not an entire shambles...
Might get some play on Saturday if we are lucky
oh Kevin
We need at least 2 centuries - shame about KP as he seemed to being sensible and that was only a slightly loose shot. Tinker needs a big one.....of hang on, damn, Cookie gone now
Assburgers.
Oh Alastair!
Cheers,
Jamie
😀 kind of saw that coming from the previous couple of deliveries, bit of inswing saw KP play a bit on the inside of the bat, not totally surprising to get a chop on in those circumstances...
And Ashton gets his first Test wicket, Alistair Cook no less, you beauty a! Excellent catch from Clarke as well 😀
A boring first hour has certainly been livened up now! 😀
Bell for 150, just you see...
Cheers,
Jamie
So what do we need to win? 300 would be good anything less very squeaky bum time
Anything over 220 will be tough, pitch is getting harder and harder to play, Anderson and Swann will be a challenge on it definitely...
Anything less that 250 will be very hard to defend. The period until the new ball arrives will decide this.
Early night for me here, looking forward to checking in in the morning... Night all 🙂
Aussies have never been great chasing low totals under pressure on wearing pitches. I reckon 200+ lead will make their bums squeaky, 240+ and it'll be very interesting. Obviously I'd love about 700......
This one's got a long way to go, but i think the next hour's critical (as has every one of the previous 14 hours.....)
[quote=psychle ]Early night for me here, looking forward to checking in in the morning... Night all
Night
hanging in for the start of the session after some TdF in the interval
In their last series, Australia made 380, 237/9d, 408 and 262 in their first innings, 241, 131, 223 and 164 in their second (none of which was the last innings of the match). That would suggest they'll find anything over 200 tricky (though granted they didn't have Agar in that series).
...will be more record setting required if the target is over 209 - that's the most any visiting team has chased to win at TB. Australia have scored 335 in the 4th innings, but lost the match; their 2nd best 4th innings total was 202/6 (to draw).
The only certainty in this match is that the outcome from every session seems very uncertain. Can't decide whether this is good "test match" stuff but compelling, if nerve-racking, viewing nonetheless.
C'mon B&B two big innings required here ie test match stuff not 20/20 knock arounds.
...all of which emphasises the general advantage of batting first (so not having to bat last), provided you don't concede too big a first innings lead.
If you win the toss bat first.
If you win the toss, but the pitch / weather looks like it may be favourable to bowling. Consider bowling, then bat anyway.
If you win the toss, but the pitch / weather is extremely favourable to bowling: Consult your team mates, consider bowling, then bat anyway.
The batting first thing is an interesting one.
Personally I still think we should have bowled first. It was overcast and perfect for possibly the best exploiter of those conditions in world cricket. If you bowl the oppo out cheaply it changes the way they bowl to you in the first innings. If you can take a lead into the second innings the need to bat for long period last is nullified anyway. Cook choose to back his batters instead.
If you take weather conditions into account on choose on what's above you at the time.
Played a lot of cricket over the years but have never really been able to tell how a pitch would play just by looking at it. Weather a bit more so, but even then...
Little walk to the middle, quick look, a few nods and shakes of the head, a long sigh.....walk back none the wiser! 😉
Current home ground has a "magic" spot just on a length - one of our medium bowlers has the knack of hitting the spot causing a lot of grief for visiting batsmen. Totally invisible though.
Comments on Derek Underwood on BBC site at the moment - I once faced him in the nets at Edgbaston when I was a teenager. Unbelievably quick and hostile and he was a spinner!!!!
Clearly England's tactics were to wait for the new ball to score off.
200 (lead) up. Game on.
Lead now nearly 250. Balance swinging in our favour now.
Slooooow and steady does it - two days to play - England don't need to do anything other than bat as long as they can.
Of course, then get 10 wickets 😉
englands to lose but far more interesting than anyone would have thought due to the young un in the Aussie team
englands to lose but far more interesting than anyone would have thought due to the young un in the Aussie team
Not yet I think. A good hour for the Aussies in the field tomorrow followed by a good hour with the bat and its back on.
Great stuff though, god I love test cricket, nothing else comes close.
I'm looking forward to what psychle has to say about Broad still being there at stumps 😉
Unless they knock England over cheaply tomorrow morning (which is always possible), Australia will be looking at an outright record chase at TB (current record is 284). Would already be the second highest successful chase by Australia in England (they did chase 404 at Headingly in 1948, but their second best effort is only 242).
Great game so far. Indeed JY - where would they be without his runs and wickets? 🙂
A top order of Langer, Hayden, Ponting, Martyn, Clarke, Katich, Gilchrist failed to chase 282 fairly recently - though Lee and Kasprowicz got them close.
Missed the converge, so was Broad out and simply didn't walk? Saw somewhere that there was no hotspot, is that correct?
Caught off a thick edge that wasn't spotted by the umpires. The Aussies couldn't review as they'd used their quota up.
Hmmm, bit sad that. Excuse the mixed sports but as a hooker I knew all about bending the rules but there are/were always limits IMO. To come back to cricket, walking is one of them.
The good thing in cricket and other sport is that karma exists. Broad will get a "bad one" at some important stage in the future. Much better to have posititve karma in the bank though.
Talking to my son, his county playing mates say that the county coaching line is [b]never walk[/b], so I am just an old ruddy duddy!
Well done Belly - round it off tomorrow with a 150.
Boycs - who I generally despise- made some good points
Basically if Broad walks will Trott get to bat again?
They get bad decisons all the time so why should they walk?
Why is it ok for bowlers to claim for stuff they know is not a wicket and let the batter be out but only the batter has to "walk " or be honest.
No one walks anymore unless it is blatant and they have an appeal left 😉
Because their out (edit bowlers shouldnt do it either BTW *)
But karma works in both directions - the difference is that Trott has a credit whereas Broad has a debit. I know which I would prefer!
I appreciate that people do not walk anymore, hence it is a shame. But no matter, what goes around comes around.
Anyway, it will be in the highlights in a minute!
* but guilty myself as at school/Uni we used to liven up slip fielding but the occassional spoof the umpire plays. Wouldn't do it now though!
But karma works in both directions
I think that was his point Trotts howler is cancelled out by Trott not walking and getting a good one.
Perhaps the decision on Agar cancels out Broads
Either way been some shockers by the Umps and also by the Third umpire
I do agree it would be better if they walked but only the batsman has to be honest
...and by the Aussies using up their appeals judging by the highlights!
watching TdF first as the kids prefer that to the Cricket
Youngest is impressed he can name all the [classification]Jerseys
Re: Broadgate: liked the comment on one of the cricket pages:
"At times like this, I ask myself: 'What would Steve Waugh do?'"
Oops,(highlights on CH5) sorry not only a howler from the umps, but you can't stand there with that one!?! Poor show IMO.
The umpire had a shocker with that Broad dismissal.
There's some massively sanctimonius frothing going on in the comments section of the Guardian's match report. No-one complains about constant appeals on often ludicrous shouts. I remember ****stan being terrible for this in the series in the UAE.
though granted they didn't have Agar in that series
I'll wager he doesn't score over 38 again in this series.
Not sure if it would be better if Broad is out cheaply in the morning or blasts another 50. DRS eroded the gentleman's walk - terminally I reckon. When was the last time a batsman walked (when the fielding side had no more reviews?)
When was the last time a batsman walked (when the fielding side had no more reviews
Today, Bairstow, about an hour before Broad didn't. 🙂
Morning (or evening) all... well well well, things have taken a turn for the worse for the Aussies haven't they? Not much chance of pulling this one out of the fire now, about the same odds as Agar scoring 98 at number 11 I guess, so anything is possible, must keep a positive attitude what what. But it's probably asking a bit too much of the cricketing deities for a second Miracle of Trentbridge... Needed to get Bell early, before his 50, didn't do it and that's that unfortunately. Maybe a poor decision to take the new ball, Agar seemed to be generating chances and it was swinging so the quicks were doing the same, but again, you makes your decisions and takes your chances, sometimes they pay off and sometimes they don't.
Simple fact of this game is that our 'batsman' didn't do their job in the first innings, we should have had a lead of 150-200 which would still have us in a winning position even now. If Agar hadn't performed so heroically and unexpectedly then the game would have been over yesterday evening, he's the only reason we even had a shot at this one...
Now, Stuart Broad... sorry, but that was outright cheating, it's not like it was a 50/50 call, he practically late cut it to first slip, how on earth the umpire 'missed it' one can only speculate, but that was appalling... Bairstow 'walked' earlier in the day for a much finer edge (granted the umpire did raise his finger, but the batsman was already turned away and walking). The sheer gumption and gall of Broad to stand there was just not right, and I'd say the same for any Australian batsman.... just a low act and he should be ashamed of himself.
Now you lot are going to say what about Agar and Trott, but they were different, you must admit that? Agar, there was definite benefit of the doubt, Trott, well he probably got a rough call, but you get those in Cricket... Broad wasn't a rough call, he knew he was out, for whatever reason the umpire didn't raise his finger, but that doesn't change the fact that he knew he was out and decided to ignore that fact and in effect cheat, just poor poor form...
Having said all that, his wicket wouldn't/won't change the course of this game, that happened on the morning of day two... England should win this one, but I think people will now have to admit that the series is going to be perhaps a bit closer than previously thought, fingers crossed.
psychle - here's a video of your captain outright cheating
Not sure I agree with you re. Broad (and not cause he's a Pom). You aren't out until the umpire gives you out. What if you walk and the umpire signals an nb/wide etc etc when your back is turned and you get run out? You are out when that finger goes up, not before. This isn't a Sunday league match, it's the bloody ashes, the pinnacle. The opposition are probably ball tampering, one of umpires is maybe being paid by a far east betting syndicate and one of team mayes is texting his mate on the other side with ways to get you out 🙂 You wait until you are given out. As for sportsmanship, give over. That disappeared decades ago before sledging, excessive appealing and bodyline.
All that said I hope broad goes quickly tomorrow.
All that said I hope broad goes quickly tomorrow.
Why - because you know he was out and feel bad?
Today, Bairstow, about an hour before Broad didn't.
Really - why no mention from the Aussies?
Why - because you know he was out and feel bad?
Yes, I don't blame him for not walking as detailed above but yes I hope he goes cheaply tomorrow.
Who would have thought, 3 yrs ago, that an 'individual from these Isles' would win W'don, Brits would have a grip on retaining the Maillott Jaune, while another wins stages in TDF and 98 from a debutant Aussie No.11 still wouldn't win a test.
Still 47 years of hurt though (# ditch fussball)
Yes, I don't blame him for not walking as detailed above but yes I hope he goes cheaply tomorrow.
If and when he does, I hope the Australians recall Trott to have another go.
Now, Stuart Broad... sorry, but that was outright cheating, it's not like it was a 50/50 call, he practically late cut it to first slip, how on earth the umpire 'missed it' one can only speculate, but that was appalling... Bairstow 'walked' earlier in the day for a much finer edge (granted the umpire did raise his finger, but the batsman was already turned away and walking). The sheer gumption and gall of Broad to stand there was just not right, and I'd say the same for any Australian batsman.... just a low act and he should be ashamed of himself.
He sounds like an Aussie by this description. Don't like it up 'em eh?
Yes, it's unseemly, but, it's also partially captain fantastic s fault for wasting your DRS appeals on half chances.
Also, as has been noted, it's not as if you guys haven't already survived some calls where you should have gone, seaweed man being the most obvious
Bah, Agar was a fair call, there was no definitive proof on any replay that showed he didn't have any part of his foot/boot just behind the line, so fair enough to give the benefit of the doubt to the batsman. Trott, well I'll admit I haven't seen this one so won't comment until I have, can't seem to find a video of it though (someone feel free to find it and post it for me 🙂 )
Yep, Clarke wasted his DRS appeals, but there's no way he should have had to even think about reviewing Broads dismissal... stupid appalling umpiring, I reckon that's the last we'll see of Dar for a few tests...
On another point, is it just me or are the umpires excessively asking for reviews of no-balls after every wicket an Aussie bowler takes? Maybe I haven't been paying attention but I don't think they've asked for as many off English bowlers, have they (I honestly don't know)?
Yep, Clarke wasted his DRS appeals, but there's no way he should have had to even think about reviewing Broads dismissal... stupid appalling umpiring, I reckon that's the last we'll see of Dar for a few tests...
Stupid appalling umpiring is why DRS was introduced, that's why it has to definitively prove the on-field umpire wrong, and 50/50s go with the on-field decision. If I know this as a spectator, I'd expect Clarke as international captain to be across it also. One review he wasted was both missing by the width of the stumps, and clearly pitching outside the line. That was the review that would have ensured the right thing happened to broad.
I saw the LBW appeal and thought it was wasted and would come back to haunt him. The game could turn on umpiring but they seem to be evening each other out, Trott and the non functional hot spot, Agar would have gone if the light was different you you would have seen the gap under his foot etc.
Won't argue that point. The DRS is there for the howler (such as the Broad incident, though IMHO that goes beyond howler and into a whole other realm, "hypersonic screaming balls up" perhaps?) But all teams are guilty of using it to try and overturn marginal calls, maybe this'll teach Clarke (and other Captains) to keep them in hand... I think the reason Clarke reviewed the LBW was because the umpire indicated the batsman had hit it (which he didn't) and they obviously thought that the umpire might've given it otherwise, bad call as it turned out (and Haddin should've done better to advise his skipper of the fact he was moving to the legside to take the ball!)
I might just add it's not a good idea to discuss the finer points of this with an Aussie while trying to thread [s]my[/s] your way through a tight set of rock drops.
Damm Karma
Morning all. Missed commenting last night, internet issues. Thought broadigate would be a hot topic.
Two points.
1 - it's top level sport, not a jazz hat game. Batters bat, bowlers bowl, umpires umpire. For better or worse, if he gives you out you go, if he doesnt , stand there. Sure drs is supposed to allow you to appeal the howler, that's where Clarke gets it wrong, he uses them on perhaps and maybes. Maybe he'll learn from it.
2 - I'm going to stand up for the umpires here. It wasn't as bad as it looked. Broad didn't edge to slip, it was a late cut feather edge that haddin spilled to first slip. At full speed, very easy for the umpire to know that haddin had gloved it but also very possible to not be sure that broad had edged it. Have any of the haterz umpired at any level? Do they know how hard it is. Again, comes back to drs but this is where it is used wrong. He'd have known pretty instantly he'd made a mistake, he should be able to go upstairs and ask for help. I'm not saying to review every decision, that undermines the point of an on field umpire, but be there to give help if he asks for it.
Will karma bite back? Is it already karma for the hundred trott was going to make or the 90-odd agar got after he was out (possibly). Will the aussies think we're all against them and crumble. Or will Lehman galvanise them into a f- you all, we'll show you response. The next hour will be critical. Isn't test cricket fabulous.
Lastly - well played belly. Lots of pressure answered brilliantly, you've gone a fair way to winning this game for us. Get the hundred this morning, you deserve it.
TOJ - among all of this there is a simple fact - Broad cheated. Now as I suggested earlier there are "degrees of cheating" if that makes sense? Nevertheless, this was about as blatant as you could get. But I don't see the top level sport issue. This is the pinnacle of cricket now being debased by blatant cheating. There was no marginal edge, glove or arm, bat or pad. This was a clear misplayed cut that went straight into the slips hands. If this is acceptable simple because it's top class sport, then we can no longer complain about the drugs cheats in sport. They are (1) doing what others do - which seems a common defence here, and/or (2) doing what needs to be done at top level. The Lance Armstrong defence perhaps?
So Peterson's defence includes - " we play fair" - obviously not, as you openly cheat and "we respect the umpire" again cleary not. But Grum, thanks for the Guadian head up as it quotes Broad himself in the MCC Spirit of Cricket (sic) campaign:
But it's important that you do play fair – you respect the opposition and you respect the umpires. At the end of the day you're there to entertain the crowd and they need to see cricket played in the right way."
Quite! So the right way is clear. It's called blatant cheating.
Thank goodness for Aggers - a lone voice of decency among coverage/ex internationals.
He didn't cheat, can we get that straight please. He didn't break any rules to gain an advantage. You can argue that his actions were not in the spirit of the game for certain but he did not cheat.
Cheating is cheating. Simple as. The laws of cricket state that if you hit the ball and it is caught cleanly you are out. The laws do not say you are only out if the umpire gives you out.
Broad looked embarrassed to stand there. And so he should. The Aussies, of course, have no moral high ground from which to complain, but that's not the point.
I agree that it wasn't as bad as the slo mos made it look. I was particularly nauseated by that smarm ball Mark Nicholas ranting on about it on the Five highlights. He's got a lot of opinions for a run of the mill county player who was renowned for his yellow streak when facing anyone with a bit of pace.
The trott decision was marginal to say the least. When all is considered, he was beaten all ends up by a nice in swinger, I actually thought it was bat and pad simultaneously.
The Agar one was too close to give out. At real speed and slowed down.
I'd like to see a new ruling. If a fielding team appeals, but the batsman is given not out by the on field umpire, if they then turn down the option of a review, they should be docked five runs. If you didn't think it was out, you shouldn't be appealing for it!
By the way, I was a left arm seamer for 20 years before packing in playing, so I do know what I'm on about. I always refused to appeal even if my keeper and slips went up for a non existent edge off of my bowling. I played premier league cricket in my home county.
I only ever stood my ground once having nicked one. That was when my best mate strangled me down the leg side first ball of a knockabout game at school. I couldn't have coped with a lifetime of shit if he'd done me first up.
Double post
Law 1.4 and Law 42.1?
The laws of cricket make specific reference to the responsibility to play cricket within the spirit and traditions of the game. IMO, cheating involves deliberately flouting the rules of the game. Holding makes a good point in the Guardian article about the Ramdin suspension. Will same sanction be applied here?
Anyway, I am happy that karma will sort it out in the end, but less happy that "if" we win it will be a dirty win. Bit like my old team Leicester Tigers after the Neil Back hand in the scrum incident. Hollow and dirty in what is/was enthralling sport. Pity that.
Yep, Clarke wasted his DRS appeals, but there's no way he should have had to even think about reviewing Broads dismissal... stupid appalling umpiring, I reckon that's the last we'll see of Dar for a few tests...
Give over. Dar is a superb umpire, he just made a bad call. Typical whinging Aussie 🙂
Why is Broad 'cheating' any worse than the Aussies claiming Trott's LBW despite an obvious edge? On balance the Aussies are still ahead in this game on bad umpiring decisions so the bleating needs to stop.
BTW the Australian argument was always that actually they show respect to the umpire by not walking - the umpire is the only one with the authority to make the decision. It's not the same as falsely claiming a catch at all. And comparing him to a drugs cheat is ridiculous IMO.
And comparing him to a drugs cheat is ridiculous
Totally agree. Fatuous statement of over-reaction to a one off incident. Maybe he ate the wrong piece of beef the prior evening? 😉
This was a clear misplayed cut that went straight into the slips hands
No, no and three times no. It was a feathered edge from a late cut that went off Haddin's gloves to slip. That's what fooled the Umpire, as i said above (and I assume you DID read it, in the same way as you have watched the incident properly), he would have been sure that the ball ended up at slip off the keeper's gloves, but would he have been sure that broad had edged it first??
And anyway this is all taking attention from Ronald's magnificent innings.
Comparing him to a drug cheat is ridiculous.
With reference to the "hand of Back" incident, I couldn't agree more. Tigers are my team too, but I can't stand a lot of the 'johnny come lately' supporters of recent years who stand by the Tigers no matter what.
Martin Johnson was a magnificent player. Fact. He was also one of the dirtiest players in the league. Had he played for another club, the Welford Road crowd would have treated him like a pantomime villain. Corne Krige was flamed for elbowing johnno in the face at Twickenham. If you look at the photo in krige's book just before the elbow, you see johnno practically strangling him.
There is a clear line between right and wrong, and you are being disingenuous if you apply it differently to teams that you like or dislike.
By the way, having not cheated myself when playing cricket, I was never shy of letting a batsman know he was a cheat if he nicked one and didn't walk. It's not a weakness to play fair. Adam Gilchrist could vouch for that.
So if an Englishmen (pseudo or otherwise) and an Aussie cheat its ok, but heaven forbid if you are a West Indian or a ****stani. There is a word for that.
A precendent was set by Ramdin and ironically was judged by Chris Broad whose comments on this type of behaviour are clear and categorical. Inconsistent, hypocritical or simply racist *? At the very least, Chris Broad needs to give his son some Fatherly advice.
West Indies wicket-keeper Denesh Ramdin has been suspended for two one-day matches and fined 100 per cent of his match fee for wrongly claiming a catch in the Champions Trophy. Match referee Chris Broad charged Ramdin following a hearing in London after the wicket-keeper had pleaded not guilty to the offence."This is regarded as a serious offence as it is the responsibility of all players to act in the spirit of the game," Broad said in a statement released by the International Cricket Council.
TOJ, yes sorry did read your comments but like Aggers commentating at the time, I will simply disagree. He saw it clearly live and at full speed and made the instant acknowledgment that Broad was out on the TMS commentary.
Edit: dannyh, good call. "disingenuous" is probably the best adjective here.
There is a clear line between right and wrong
The reason we are still having this discussion is precisely because there isn't though.
As others have mentioned he edged it to the keeper not first slip. Most players don't walk it is a fact of modern cricket. I didn't I still don't and being a bowler had my fair share stand against me and be given not out (best one was caught 3 slip!).
The decision has no similarity to the trott or agar ones as they were 3rd umpire calls all be it poor ones!
Broad was within his rights to stand and did so.