[Closed] Game of Thrones Season 7

its a shame Dany didnt just give Jon a lift on the dragon north of the wall seeing as tho it only takes about 10 minutes. they could've just done a fly-by over the army of skeletors at altitude and saved everybody a lot of trouble...

also what is the point of bran, sat there in Winterfell doing nowt? he knows all this info but cba sending a raven even...

GoT since it left the books as source material, and no I never read them, seems like slightly mediocre fan fiction. The major downside of this is we have got to the stage where certain characters now seem safe from harm, whereas previously, anyone was likely to get a sword in the eye. Now, when our band of heroes goes on a suicide run, I was fairly confident they'll all come back....well, apart from a couple of red shirts and a red priest.

Issues.

1. It's all still waaaay to fast to get everywhere purely for serving plot.

2. The Dragon problem still exists. In that they could have ended the series in episode 1. Whether it's torching enemies, flying to the red keep and just flaming Cersei so they could stick to their not melting innocents rule, flying over the wall to pick up a dead dude etc.

3. More 'in the nick of time' rescues. Uncle Benji, RIP, really had the turning up at the very last minute thing down to a fine art....still not sure why he had to kill himself.

Questions:

1. So the whole plot, and the reason the Night King didn't rain arrows/spears down on our intrepid band stuck in the middle on the rock, was he was waiting, like we were, for the dragon to turn up. I mean, why else did he not just take them out, and also have a shit load of giant chains ready to go. My question is, does a Zombie Dragon still need a Targaryen to fly it? As we're running quite low on those...especially Zombie ones.

2. Did Jon Snow's staff eyes close when we thought he was dead? Or just a glitch?

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Still very entertaining of course.

1. So the whole plot, and the reason the Night King didn't rain arrows/spears down on our intrepid band stuck in the middle on the rock, was he was waiting, like we were, for the dragon to turn up. I mean, why else did he not just take them out, and also have a shit load of giant chains ready to go. My question is, does a Zombie Dragon still need a Targaryen to fly it? As we're running quite low on those...especially Zombie ones.

I wonder if the Night King can see the future like Bran. He must be aware of the dragons, so thought he'd quite like to have one...

I suspect the Night King will be flying the zombie dragon.

Question is, can Bran warg into (dead) dragons? His whole warging ability seems to have been forgotten about.

Looking forward to the blue fire from the zombie dragon regardless.

Bran.

Loves to tell people he is the spooky blue tit, yet never actually helps people with his powers.

I did wonder why they were waiting, until he whipped out the spear thing.
Then I assumed that was his plan all along.
The only issue for me was that his throwing technique was a bit "girly" yet that thing went like a rocket.

The only people who I want to see make it through all this is the Hound and the ginger wildling bloke. Shame about Dennis Pennis.

Jamie - Member

GoT since it left the books as source material, and no I never read them, seems like slightly mediocre fan fiction. The major downside of this is we have got to the stage where certain characters now seem safe from harm, whereas previously, anyone was likely to get a sword in the eye. Now, when our band of heroes goes on a suicide run, I was fairly confident they'll all come back....well, apart from a couple of red shirts and a red priest.

Issues.

[b]1. It's all still waaaay to fast to get everywhere purely for serving plot[/b].

Well the problem is obvious and in some ways unavoidable. Had they waited for GRRM to complete the books they would have had to take several years off. Actors and crew can't be retained on such a basis and a significant amount of the hype would have cooled off.

Even if the screen writers made a concerted effort to pace seasons 6 onward in the fashion we were previously accustomed to it would have necessitated four or five more seasons. Sounds great but you can only sustain interest for so long. Audience interest dies off, budgets decrease and you end up with a lame duck.

It's jarring to see all the time travel in this season but I'm okay with the trade off if it gets to a conclusion while the show is still relevant. I'd rather they take liberties with distance and time for dramatic effect than have two more seasons and 20 hours of material to get to the point they are at now.

I was fairly confident they'll all come back....well, apart from a couple of red shirts and a red priest.

So half of them then .

interesting theory about them waiting for the dragon to come... but when the hound chucked them rocks and the zombies realised the lake was frozen again they began to advance...?

also "shit load of giant chains ready to go" lol

I've been quite ambivalent about the whole people going too fast stuff but this weeks was pretty bad

Gendry was able to run to Eas****ch, get them to send a raven to Dragonstone, Daenerys then jumps on a dragon and goes north of the wall.

Meanwhile the ice hasn't frozen over yet and the group hasn't starved or frozen to death (apart from Thoros)

So half of them then .

Red shirts are not people.

So of the characters who have names, and we know, 1 died.

That is not half.

Sounds great but you can only sustain interest for so long.

Nerds have patience. Look at the gap between Star Wars films.

interesting theory about them waiting for the dragon to come... but when the hound chucked them rocks and the zombies realised the lake was frozen again they began to advance...?

That's when it gets a bit sticky. But maybe they needed to be in enough peril to have to call for backup. Plus if Mr Freeze does have future seeing tricks up his ice poles, then maybe he knew how it would play out.

Jamie

Nerds have patience. Look at the gap between Star Wars films.

I think GoT's appeal goes way beyond nerds. But the Star Wars comparison doesn't really apply since most of the films are self contained beginning/middle/end stories, and beginning/middle/end trilogies.

I was referring more to holding the attention of the viewer over a longer time period, rather than gabs between events.

Regardless, I still think there could be a middle ground between what came before, and what we have now.

Also, on other question.

Who is playing who? Is Ayra playing Little Finger? Is he playing her? Is Sansa and Ayra working together?

Nerds have patience. Look at the gap between Star Wars films.

Star Wars would not be the huge success it has been if was nerd only. Nerd appear has been a massive contribution, but it's appeal has clearly gone way beyond that.

Jamie - Member

I was referring more to holding the attention of the viewer over a longer time period, rather than gabs between events.

Do you mean the passage of time in the films, or the gaps between the original three films and the later prequels?

Regardless, I still think there could be a middle ground between what came before, and what we have now.

Yes I'm sure there could be but it would be a gamble. Plus there becomes an issue as to whether you adapt an outline draft of a novel or wait till the novel is finished then adapt. Either way it's a risky strategy to put the biggest show in the world on hold.

Also we started with a finite number of characters, I'm sure Martin will add a heap of spare bodies in the books just to kill off. Now we have people who presumably have defined exits so need to serve a purpose.

re. the time travel

Sansa mentioned in the latest episode that Jon had been gone "for weeks" implying that they've not shown the travelling but it's still happening (and taking the same amount of time). Fair enough; we know the journeys are long & arduous but we've seen them already and don't need to be shown every journey again & again.

Gendry is Mo Farah though & the dragons are actually Concordes.

Wait until you see 7.

the journeys are long & arduous but we've seen them already and don't need to be shown every journey again & again.

True. We wouldn't want the episodes to dragon too much.

Who is playing who? Is Ayra playing Little Finger? Is he playing her? Is Sansa and Ayra working together?

I think the wedge between Arya & Sansa is real; maybe Arya is right & Sansa does have designs to be queen! This is what LF will try to exploit I guess?

No wonder those red shirts died. There aim is terrible. Especially matey at the back.

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Also...****ing Olly! 😡

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So if the Night king can see all, what are the chances of Bran being the Night king? Might explain while he's not actually bothering to tell anyone what he's seen. We've seen the whole mind time travel thing with Hodor.

So if the Night king can see all, what are the chances of Bran being the Night king?

It would be a major turn up, I think they showed the fella that got transformed into the night king in an earlier episode and it wasn't Bran so if I've remembered that rightly they'd have some explaining to do.

but I think LF is coming out on top here so far... he has conspired to have Sansa send Brienne away so there's no-one to protect Sansa from him at Winterfell.

That confused me a bit, it seemed like Baelish wanted Sansa to have Brienne protect her from Arya but then Sansa sent Brienne away from Winterfell. Then Arya does her best silence of the lambs and follows it up by giving Sansa the catspaw dagger. Was that just supreme confidence on Arya's part or was she giving Sansa the dagger for another reason?

So if the Night king can see all, what are the chances of Bran being the Night king?

It would be a major turn up, I think they showed the fella that got transformed into the night king in an earlier episode and it wasn't Bran so if I've remembered that rightly they'd have some explaining to do.

All to do with [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-7-episode-5-bran-stark-night-king-white-walkers-three-eyed-raven-north-of-the-a7892246.html ]getting caught warging[/url] apparently.

I think I'll stop searching for GoT theories and just watch it 😛

That confused me a bit, it seemed like Baelish wanted Sansa to have Brienne protect her from Arya but then Sansa sent Brienne away from Winterfell. Then Arya does her best silence of the lambs and follows it up by giving Sansa the catspaw dagger. Was that just supreme confidence on Arya's part or was she giving Sansa the dagger for another reason?

Also think that Arya giving the dagger to her sister was just mind games... she knows she's getting it back 🙂

That link makes more sense. Was just something that occurred to me with the mentions above about the possibility of night king seeing into the future like Bran.

Watched it twice now the banter was brilliant but the speed its moving still takes a shine off

The hound needs his own show.

It felt like a blipvert. I still rekon its gonna do a Dexter , but I hope I'm wrong.

So , queen of the dragons and Mr Snow to have a child. Only death may pay for life.

I believe the entire internet wanted them to bone no?

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Also on the theme of the handy massive chains that were just sat aboot ready to pull a massive dragon out of a lake... How did the blue eyed little dafties hook the chains up? They didn't seem keen on water just 10 minutes earlier! And we all k ow how deep those GoT lakes are after Jamie's little swim

Also on the theme of the handy massive chains that were just sat aboot ready to pull a massive dragon out of a lake... How did the blue eyed little dafties hook the chains up? They didn't seem keen on water just 10 minutes earlier! And we all k ow how deep those GoT lakes are after Jamie's little swim

Someone over on [url= https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/ ]/r/freefolk[/url] found this screen grab. General consensus is it's a leaked still from a deleted scene.

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Hahahaha! What a toppa!

That confused me a bit, it seemed like Baelish wanted Sansa to have Brienne protect her from Arya but then Sansa sent Brienne away from Winterfell. Then Arya does her best silence of the lambs and follows it up by giving Sansa the catspaw dagger. Was that just supreme confidence on Arya's part or was she giving Sansa the dagger for another reason?

I took it more to be that Arya is still playing LittleFinger. I reckon that Arya knows/suspects the daggers relation to LF, and that if he sees that trusted dagger in the hands of Sansa he'll think that Sansa and Arya are still tightly knit cause Arya has handed over a prized possession ... when in reality Ayra is just blackmailing her.

As for Bran and White King being one and the same ... not sure. Looking back at the scene of the white king being created by the children of the forest ... the little girl uses the phrase " to protect us from you ... " and then changes it to man in general. ...

which makes me think that Bran = Brandon the Builder = Able to go back in time and change stuff from long long ago ... and so build the wall etc etc

then did he do something long ago against the children of the forest which necessitated the white king to be created.

How old is the White King meant to be ?

How old is the White King meant to be ?

*night

...and 12000 years-ish according to http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Night_King

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Another great making of featurette about the last episode.

the new trailer looks a bit pants. they have a bit of a battle with cersi, then they convince her to fight the whitewalkers?

rmacattack - Member

the new trailer looks a bit pants. they have a bit of a battle with cersi, then they convince her to fight the whitewalkers?

I doubt it. My guess is they meet her at the start, it's a ruse, some people die and they go to battle.

From jimjam's vid. Matey with the flaming sword needs to up the effort.

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Dany's gonna be gutted when she finds out she's Jon's auntie, although being related doesn't seem to be a problem in GoT 😀

Bit of a mixed episode I thought. The start was brilliant, the banter was spot on. Not sure about the Hound being a wuss during the bear attack though, I guess he redeemed himself later but if they were trying to show he's not just a killing machine we know that already from his travels with Arya etc.

I'd wondered before if one or more of the dragons would be turned but couldn't really see how that would work as the Night King's army is already crazy-strong, I'd have thought a dragon (with no restrictions on what he can attack) would just be too powerful but I guess we'll see (maybe the horn sorts it out?). It's not clear if the zombies that got lit up by the dragons revived either is it, if they did then the living are going to need more than a couple of dragons and a few thousand men to sort the undead out.

Why weren't the undead giants at the battle (or did I miss them)? They could have at least helped pull the chains (and as has been said where the hell did the chains come from)?

I hope there's more to the Arya/LF/Sansa thing than it appears, right now it just seems LF is playing them (rather obviously, certainly not something Arya should be falling for). Whilst I'm sure the sisters will eventually sort out LF I'll be disappointed if it's just a bog standard slow realisation + revenge thing.

Oh and presumably Gendry can't have been running for more than a day to get back to the wall so that's a couple of days or so in zombie shuffle time?

Not sure about the Hound being a wuss during the bear attack though,

On the dragons we still don't know if it can get past the wall, lighting it up and the nights watch maybe but the rules are the dead can't cross (unless held captive or whatever)

Oh and presumably Gendry can't have been running for more than a day to get back to the wall so that's a couple of days or so in zombie shuffle time?

OK I've come up with a half arsed theory about how it's all going to end...

1. It was revealed that the dead collapse when the walker who turned them is killed.

2. The night king turned the dragon, and is surely going to be riding it.

3. Arya was talking about her archery skillz, kind of.

4. The Hound will perish as he holds off the dead from Arya at the critical moment.

5. The subject of Dany's succession has been raised, which suggests she ain't gonna make it, Jon or even Arya to end up on the throne.

Was it just me or did the White Walkers / Night King in this episode just look a bit rubbish?

In all their other appearances they've been genuinely creepy and menacing but in that episode I thought they were just a bit shite.

I wasn't really getting the whole immortal-creatures-of-ultimate-evil vibe.*

I was getting more of a slow-moving-extra-in-a-wrinkly-rubber-beardy-mask flavour.

Probably just me but i'll watch it again tonight to be sure.

* the zombie army of undead wights were excellent as ever. Except for the one they captured. He was really building his part up. Bit hammy, I thought, with all the wriggling and moaning. No wonder the Hound kept hoofing him.

I'd say Jon to be the reluctant king or get killed by somebody close apologising as they do.

In all their other appearances they've been genuinely creepy and menacing but in that episode I thought they were just a bit shite.

I rewatched it last night and did feel they were falling over a bit easier than when we've seen them before.

I would rewatch the Hardhome episode and see if they are comparable but it's been taken off NOWTV 🙁

I think it'll be Sansa as she can unite everyone and no one hates her

The only thing I am sure of next episode is epic incest boat sex.

I reckon Sansa has a pretty much 0% chance of making it to the end. I've said it before that I'd really like to see the Imp win, but I've got a feeling he's going to sacrifice himself for the greater good being all noble and shit.

The only thing I am sure of next episode is epic incest boat sex.

A bit of an anti-climax?

I'll tell you who won't be coming [in the nick of time] next week...

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Jamie - Member
The only thing I am sure of next episode is epic incest boat sex.

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The writing/plot is so weak on this series. This episode made no sense at all.

- the whole mission beyond the wall was nuts in the first place. How did they think they were going to find an isolated wight they could do a runner with and not run into the full blown army?
- teleportation was in full effect. Gendry runs back to the Wall, Raven teleports to Dany, who jumps on a Dragon. Meanwhile everyone stands around waiting for the ice to freeze and she appears just in time? Really?
- Jon takes a dive into freezing water and drags himself out only for Benjen to appear, just in the nick of time having spotted Jon in the middle of an army of wights in the middle of a snowstorm.
- Arya/Sansa conflict isn't believeable
There are so many ways this could have been better written. They've upped the FX and it all looks wonderful but the plot is making it annoying in a way it's never been before.

Also, why didn't they just wait for the first redshirt to be killed by the zombie bear to reanimate and then drag his dead ass back to Eas****ch?

Or Thoros for that matter. That would have had a bit more of an emotional impact when they unveiled his reanimated corpse in Kings Landing.

"You all remember Thoros of Myr right?. Cheeky, drunken scamp that he was? Check this out....."

An opportunity wasted, just so that Beric Dondarrion could showboat with his Lord-of-Lightsaber.

The writing/plot is so weak on this series. This episode made no sense at all.

GoT since it left the books as source material, and no I never read them, seems like slightly mediocre fan fiction.

All valid points simons.

However the show is into its final third now, where plotlines traditionally get tied up and action takes priority over characterisation.

So it's not surprising it doesn't feel as open, interesting and ripe with potential as in previous series.

Fortunately I recently watched the Hobbit films, so I can appreciate how good GoT still is by comparison to that bilge.

Also, why didn't they just wait for the first redshirt to be killed by the zombie bear to reanimate and then drag his dead ass back to Eas****ch?

+1 - I thought they were just conveniently ignoring the fact that dying turns you into a wight beyond the wall, but then they went "we gotta burn Thoros"!

They could have just taken some prisoner who needed killing beyond the wall, topped him, then nipped back as soon as he went wight. Wouldn't have even needed to close the gate!

Also, why didn't they just wait for the first redshirt to be killed by the zombie bear to reanimate and then drag his dead ass back to Eas****ch?

They don't reanimate like that the White King does it.

Night king has to bring them back, like the dragon

In other news, Asda terrified by what they might find at their new store opening have rebranded a whole island.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-41010998

Night king has to bring them back, like the dragon

I'm back! 🙂

Thought I'd read everyone's comments first and totally agree with this:

-The writing/plot is so weak on this series. This episode made no sense at all.

the whole mission beyond the wall was nuts in the first place. How did they think they were going to find an isolated wight they could do a runner with and not run into the full blown army?
- teleportation was in full effect. Gendry runs back to the Wall, Raven teleports to Dany, who jumps on a Dragon. Meanwhile everyone stands around waiting for the ice to freeze and she appears just in time? Really?
- Jon takes a dive into freezing water and drags himself out only for Benjen to appear, just in the nick of time having spotted Jon in the middle of an army of wights in the middle of a snowstorm.
- Arya/Sansa conflict isn't believeable
There are so many ways this could have been better written. They've upped the FX and it all looks wonderful but the plot is making it annoying in a way it's never been before.

Why didn't he throw his turbo ice spears at the blokes on the island? Not sure where its going with Arya as she has been a top character and she seems to be going at Sansa which isn't comfortable viewing. Clearly, most of the characters will still be around for the next series at this rate. My prediction of only three returning from their little excursion was wrong...kept seeing someone getting killed and thinking who TF was that??

Why didn't he throw his turbo ice spears at the blokes on the island?

They were just bait to get Dany's Dragon Inc down there.

GoT season 7 logic is on thin ice most the time.

They were just bait to get Dany's Dragon Inc down there.

sorry, but that doesn't make any sense, as there was no reason they knew that any dragons even existed or that they were coming....although I appreciate that its about the only sensible conclusion.

I also loved those chains...can you imagine how heavy they would have been? Each link would have weighed over a ton! Just happened to be lying around ready to use.

I know, I know...its only a silly story, but its slightly souring the plot.

sorry, but that doesn't make any sense, as there was no reason they knew that any dragons even existed or that they were coming....although I appreciate that its about the only sensible conclusion.

Night King has Bran-like powers.

Night King has Bran-like powers.

He makes you shite yourself?

I also loved those chains...can you imagine how heavy they would have been? Each link would have weighed over a ton! Just happened to be lying around ready to use.

That got another groan from me. Another broken plot device presumably put in because someone thought the dragon sinking into the lake and being dragged back out would be a good image. The dragon could have buried itself in snow and had the wights dig it out by hand.

Why did wights start climbing out of the hole in the ice late in the battle? All the early waves that went in just disappeared without trace, they wouldn't go into the sea in the previous series - how did a bunch suddenly learn to swim?

There's no internal logic to the show any more.

It really does seem to have switched from good plot twists + unpredictable main character deaths to being very predictable and crudely implemented plot lines. It's still good as they laid such a great foundation in previous series (and dragons actually killing stuff is always watchable) but I have a feeling I'm going to end up with a wtf? feeling at the end of it all with most story arcs sewn up in a predictable but unsatisfying way and others left unanswered in a frustrating "I hope they make some films" way.

Last nights was brillaint and terrible in equal measure.

Totally lost count of the number of people on the hunting party - I know they're all covered in fur, but seriously - how many left camp? It was like every 5 mins, the Mrs crying "who's died!" don't worry, it's just another redshirt who I'm sure wasn't there 5 mins ago, they sort of just appeared when they needed someone to die horribly.

Can't help but wonder if next week's ep is going to be a total bloodbath - apart from top-knot not many named characters have died this series.

My prediction of only three returning from their little excursion was wrong

I thought that, especial as we had an obvious shot showing 7 main characters.
I thought Chris, Vin and the mexican kid would be the only survivors!!

apart from top-knot not many named characters have died this series.

It was obvious JS was going to get out of it somehow even after he plunged into the water so there was no real peril there, although the save by (and death of) Benjen was a cop-out IMO.

Totally lost count of the number of people on the hunting party.

There was 12 in the party (99% sure).

Hound
Beric
Dennis Pennis
Gendry
Jon Snow
Jorah
Tormund
5 Redshirts (RIP)

Benjen

Where the Dickens was he hiding anyway? I don't have a great memory but I'd have pegged him as MacGuffin Stark - tuns up out of nowhere to fix a tricky problem with the plot dies.

They should have just got Jon to hide under a wheelie bin.

Worked fine in The Walking Dead...
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perchypanther - Member

Night King has Bran-like powers.

He makes you shite yourself?

Bill for keyboard/screen cleaning on its way

Why didn't he throw his turbo ice spears at the blokes on the island?

Or at the stationary dragon with the people on it? Or when the dragons first appeared? Why did the 1000's of Wights queue up on by one to be killed by the 10 good guys, rather than just swamping them with their zombieriffic numbers? Why didn't the small group of Wights they stumble across not do the "hey you guys!" zombie-battle cry straightaway?

*Edit - and, why were they worried about freezing do death when Captain Scarlet has a sword that turns all flamey red hot whenever he wants it too?

This series is getting, a bit, gash 🙁

There was 12 in the party (99% sure

I'm going back to the end of the previous episode when the set forth into the snow, and I will guess now there was no more than 9.

Seven plus what looked like a couple pulling a sled.

One thing that I thought was once top knot was on fire they would be able to keep warm

The night king knew a dragon was coming and he had 3 spears one for each dragon that he brought with him, along with the chains

He knows cos he is one with bran or is bran, or something, maybe