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Ah, OK, I thought they already had loads on him from the last series. Your argument makes sense, they can't be accused of acquiescing to the royal family on previous form!Have you not watched last nights episode et? There was a stand off at the funeral of the daughter that Jamie failed to rescue.That's exactly the scene I meant, Jaime seemed to be talking himself into trouble by admitting the people he'd killed, starting with his King.
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I should probably stop contributing to this thread. I never thought of that, and definitely couldn't apply to be one of the smarts on the council. 🙂The problem for the Lannisters is violence will play into the hands of the High Sparrow and with the loss of Verys, Tyrion and Little Finger (He's still on side but seems absent from day to day running of Kings Landing) they've lost all the 'smarts' from the small council.
seems to me that melissadre's endgame was to find azor ahai and all her other acts leading up to it were merely what led her to be in that room with a dead jon snow. i reckon she thought the prophecy was all the things that she had done and seen such as killing renly and burning stannis's daughter etc...but she hadnt seen the bigger picture in that they were a sequence of events that would ultimately lead her to castle black and jon snow...by which time she had lost all hope and belief of her prophecy.
i reckon jon snow is the son of lyanna stark and rhaegar targaryen....nd stark was doing the honourable thing and i'd read somewhere that he was with his sister just before she died and made a promise to her (was this to raise jon as his own and to protect him from robert baratheon?)
i was expecting them to burn his body so that he could jump out of the flames in a dramatic fashion and claim to be of house stark/targaryen/lord commander/king of the north etc
as for ramsay bolton i think there is more mileage in his role and we'll be seeing more sick and twisted behaviour from him for a while...but i think he will eventually get it..my money is on theon to do him
the interesting bit was with tyrion and the dragons...this suggests he may also have targaryen blood...but if its not him then my money is on daenerys targaryen, jon snow and bran stark (a la warg mode) to be piloting the dragons
i think the high sparrow is a nasty piece of work and there is more to be seen from him before his gristly demise...i reckon this will at the hands of ser robert strong
I should probably stop contributing to this thread.
Nah, don't do that. None of us has a clue what's actually going on and the plot is full of holes, loose ends and misdirection anyway so what appears to make sense can be turned upside down or explained away with 'magic' so it's not like it properly follows a predictable structure.
The other thing I noticed was that yet another character said "If he learnt to fight he'd be unstoppable" about Hodor/Willis. Feels like they're setting him up to be the Bran's enforcer which if it happens feels a bit wrong. It's one thing to take over the mind of a killer and redirect them to your needs but taking over the mind of a gentle soul and turning them into a killer seems a dishonourable act.
but taking over the mind of a gentle soul and turning them into a killer seems a dishonourable act.
In the context of everything else thats gone on it's a bit tame...
Anyway best bit is now we have overtaken the books all those that read ahead are now in the dark too, much less smugness about these days.
Its already happend when Hodor crushed that blokes head at the wildling house.
I think melisandre is a red herring and was not responsible for Jon coming back. His soul transferred to his wolf then back again. Signified by the wolf having red eyes after his murder until he was resurrected when they went back to normal.
Loads of people will follow her only to realise their error when it's too late.
Signified by the wolf having red eyes after his murder until he was resurrected when they went back to normal.
Blimey, that's a good spot.
i was thinking that he'd warged in to the wolf, mellisandre had repaired his body then he'd jumped back in.
**** me you guys are good.
Don't normally notice stuff like that but saw the episode where Jon gets bashed the other week and noticed the red eyed wolf. Made a mental note to check that and sure enough they went back to normal. Could be mince though!
Just watching S04E02, joffreys wedding. In this episode bran puts his hand on a heart tree (godswood face tree) and he has a vision, incl a desolate throne room without a roof which is letting in snow. Also, the shadow of a dragon flying over Kings Landing.
As you were....
I think the High Sparrow let down his holier than thou guard last night when he said "together we can destroy empires." Or something like that. I don't think his motives are in the interests of defending the faith at all. He's either working for someone or wants to take over himself.
I think the High Sparrow let down his holier than thou guard last night when he said "together we can destroy empires." Or something like that. I don't think his motives are in the interests of defending the faith at all. He's either working for someone or wants to take over himself.
Someone using a religion to gain influence and personal political power?! What the hell?
As much as I like the High Sparrow character (and Jonathan Pryce does an excellent job of portraying him) I think the whole faith militant plotline has become annoying and implausible, mainly because there appears to be about six of them in total.
The zombie mountain fella would surely just rip them limb from limb. OR does cersi want the wife locked up?
I think the whole faith militant plotline has become annoying and implausible, mainly because there appears to be about six of them in total.
....and this time next week, all six of them will fit into the same bucket.
Probably.
....and this time next week, all six of them will fit into the same bucket.
GoT meets Bad Boys II....
Personally I can't wait to see them all diced and sliced.
Here we go .
Thought tonights was a bit ploddy, seemed to be setting a lot of things up for further episodes more than anything else
At least Lord Snow seems relatively normal.
A lot of the predictions on here seem to be coming true.
I really enjoyed that one . We got to see the Tower of Joy!
aye bit of a bridging episode that one.piedi di formaggio - Member
Thought tonights was a bit ploddy, seemed to be setting a lot of things up for further episodes more than anything else
RIP Shaggydog.
Slow plodding and setup, they could probably add a couple of those per season easily...
and [sexist rant]No Dragon Lady Boobies[/sexist rant]
They all seem to take people coming back from the dead calmly enough.
Also, I cant help think that Vary's little birds may be a little more reliable than it seems and not easily bought off?
I enjoyed last nights episode, I agree it was a bit slower than usual but that was no bad thing. I was actually surprised to see Rickon and the wildling woman again, I couldn't help but think poor buggers....
Rickon is not going to have a good time of it.
Where is Snow off to then?
Wasn't he going into the tunnel under the wall, so North?
Wasn't he going into the tunnel under the wall, so North?
i thought it was just the south facing entrance to castle black...i think he's going to head south
Wasn't Sansa on the way to Castle Black?
I reckon she meets up with Jon Snow and the wildlings, tells him what's been happening and then it all kicks off at Winterfell.
I'm pretty sure the south entrance to Castle Black is a big gate (see the opening of the S6ep4 preview with Brienne/Sansa.
Jon heads into a tunnel, and I think that heads north through the wall. But then, you'd think he'd want his cloak, as it's a bit nippy out there!!!!
I'm pretty sure the south entrance to Castle Black is a big gate (see the opening of the S6ep4 preview with Brienne/Sansa.
i'm inclined to agree with hobster in that he's heading south to proclaim himself as the new king of the north and introduce his bombers to ramsay bolton
but you could be right...in which case he's going north and will meet up with bran or he's going to introduce his bombers to the nights king
But then, you'd think he'd want his cloak, as it's a bit nippy out there!!!!
He's just come back from the dead. He laughs in the face of chillyness.
Looking forward to watching this tonight!
Well that one was bang on 🙂 fairly obvious which way this is going now.
[Ducks out of thread until later]
Well that one was bang on fairly obvious which way this is going now.
you got that right....business is starting to pick up in Westeros and in Essos...nice to see Littlefinger back...the slimey so and so
*closes eyes and puts fingers in ears*
until 11pm at least... 😀
The BBQ was probably the best bit of revenge in a while...
barbecue and boobs!! its a winner!! 😆
Woah, no spoilers till after the UK showing time please!
come back when you have seen it!!!
come back when you have seen it!!!
or you should go to bed later/wake up earlier to watch the 2am showing... 8)
Ramsey has a lovely way with words, he should work for Hallmark.
Ramsey has a lovely way with words, he should work for Hallmark.
its nice to see him get his point across
Woah, no spoilers till after the [b]UK showing time[/b] please!
This is Monday 0200.
Get up earlier, or don't visit the thread until later. 😛
barbecue and boobs!! its a winner!
Winner indeed!
Spoliers incoming....
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Well. That was just stupid. Oooh. Lets kneel because of the fireproof boobies!
Dany stating she could rule the Dothraki better? Right. She is doing such a bang up job in Meereen.
Honestly, I would be happy if all of the sunnier climes, apart than Westeros, were dropped down the moon door.
The episode was only saved by the following scene:
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It's building nicely 😆
She's so hot. See what I did there
Ramping up nicely indeed 😈
Will Daenerys bother going back to Mereen?
Still loving it, but at the same time it seems to have lost something this season. I guess it's because the stories are converging after mostly diverging until now. Although I'm not convinced that's the only reason.
It needs more dragons and white walkers. Preferably fighting each other. That is the only acceptable outcome. Well, that and everyone living happily ever after but somehow I doubt that will be the case.
If you watch the Sue Perkins programme after, (Rachel Riley last night, sadly not in 'paying homage to Daenerys' kit off mode) they always have a sneak peek of next week.
I think your need for white walkers may be about to be met.
Yes, that looked very intriguing.
The wildling lass lasted about as long as expected with Ramsey, it would've been more of a shock if she had got to him but I suppose we need him for the Jon Snow/Ramsey face off at Winterfell.
Bout time there was more boobs
This season needs more of the Hound, chickens and random violence.
Can't for the life of me fathom why they brought back Jon Snow, if you're going to bring a dead person back to life - bring back the hound! A brutal cynical realist in a land full of magic, idealism and greed - with a dead pan sense of humour to boot!
Did you see the hound die? I didn't
Yes, but it would also have been quite interesting for it to be quick and not very satisfying. I'd quite like to see him die by accident or something.The wildling lass lasted about as long as expected with Ramsey, it would've been more of a shock if she had got to him but I suppose we need him for the Jon Snow/Ramsey face off at Winterfell.
Bit of a slow burner this season...
Hopefully building up for something interesting, apparently one big battle scene cost in excess of $10m to film with all the extras.....
Can't for the life of me fathom why they brought back Jon Snow
Because he is one the central characters and quite possible THE central character (The Prince That Was Promised?)
Did you see the hound die? I didn't
Cleganebowl may still happen. The Lannisters have their champion - The High Sparrow will need his. The High Sparrow worked in a graveyard. In the books there are hints that The Hound lives out his life as a gravedigger.
Because he is one the central characters and quite possible THE central character (The Prince That Was Promised?)
Pfffffff.. main plot lines blah blah blah
Was far more interested in the Hounds story, Jon Snow comes across as a snivelling berk. They should have built on the Hounds antihero thing.
Jon Snow comes across as a snivelling berk.
His general knowledge is also lacking.
😀
We should have a sweepstake on who gets to kill Ramsay. Lord Commander, Sansa, Reek etc etc
Comedy gold was Tormund Giantsbane eyeing up Brienne of Tarth 😆
Comedy gold was Tormund Giantsbane eyeing up Brienne of Tarth
As I mentioned on previous page, it was the one thing that saved the episode.
Just to check, is it just me who is bored of Dany popping up in random locations and somehow becoming their queen by [s]getting her tits out[/s] given some ropey speech and flukily killing her enemiesy? Given how violence exists at the same levels as oxygen in GoT, how has she not started one of her rousing speeches and been rudely interrupted with a spear to the neck?
Oh, and put me a fiver on Ramsay being killed by the shockwave generated by Tormund and Brienne's sex scene.
Just to check, is it just me who is bored of Dany popping up in random locations and somehow becoming their queen by getting her tits out?
Yep, that's just you mate 😉
Did you see the hound die? I didn't
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks he will come back lol.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks he will come back lol.
I hope he comes back, I really enjoyed the Hound/Arya double act.
Just to check, is it just me who is bored of Dany popping up in random locations and somehow becoming their queen by getting her tits out?
Highlight of the episode!
Highlight of the episode!
No that was big ginger trying to pluck up the courage to ask Brienne of Tarth if she was doing anything later
A few series' ago Tormund was talking about one time he got drunk & pumped a bear - obviously working his way up 8)
We need Bronn back
I'll have a fiver on Ramsey being torn to bits by Jon's wolf 😀
I also hope the Hound reappears, one of the best characters there's been, along with Bronn who also added a nice touch of humour but has also done a disappearing act.
edit- beaten to it 🙂
If we are talking about who we want to come back, I'd like to see Tyene Sand again...
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The hound vs The mountain
The hound vs The mountain
But they're brothers?
But they're brothers?
Who hate each other because the Mountain burnt the Hound
The hound vs The mountain
The Hound needs to seriously up his 'roid stack before he takes on his big brother...
I'd like to see Tyene Sand again
All of those female assassins were brilliant, the dynamic with them and Bronn was excellent.