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Renault Clio V6?
Subaru WRX - Mainly as in about 10 years there will probably only be about 10 left intact in the country
Didn't say they were any good, but they will go up in value because you can't buy better MG's and people wil always want one.I'd also say MK1 and MK2 Civic Type R, especially a re-imported version, or a re-imported MK3 which still had the independent rear suspension. They're classic because later ones (European MK3's, or MK4's) were worse (4 door, no IRS etc).
1) Future classic? Maybe but look at who buys hot Maestro's and Montegos. Certainly not someone willing to chuck more than a few hundred quid at one.
By your various Mk's on the R I assume you mean EK9 (6th gen), EP3 (7th gen), FN2 (8th Gen), FD2 (8th Gen JDM) and FK2 (9th gen) respectively.
Of all a tidy EK9 or EP3 with the right options are your best bets. EK9's are desirable especially unmodified (good luck). Similarly 30th anniversary or premier special edition EP3's are worth a bit more as are the imported JDM versions (which have a marginally more powerful K20A as found in the DC5 Integra) particularly in Championship White as that was a JDM only colour.
You shouldn't write off the 5th gen JDM SiR/SiR-II/SiR-S either, although not a Type-R these were the cars that started it and are not particularly common. 170PS in an EG shell means they are probably mostly scrapped either through accidents or tinworm that affects that generation (to say nothing for the fact they are pretty easy to steal).
Gobuchul - I sincerely hope you meant this version:
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^ Again, tinworm, but yes.
TBH any unmolested Civic in good nick will only appreciate, 6th gens are already going up in price. Some will never be big money except special models but collectors love them.
Oh, and Toyota AE86's, Trueno or Levin.
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Oh, and Toyota AE86's, Trueno or Levin.
That horse bolted long ago.
yup but I'm not that much of a geek :pBy your various Mk's on the R I assume you mean EK9 (6th gen), EP3 (7th gen), FN2 (8th Gen), FD2 (8th Gen JDM) and FK2 (9th gen) respectively.
Used to get a lift in a mk2/ep3 from teesside (wilton) to Wokingham, Google says 5 hours, did it most evenings in 4, including stopping in Castleford for fish and chips (eaten in not in the car!) 😆 averaged about 17 mpg
What about whatever Tesla made first or a BMW Mini Cooper or did BMW make a z3 M?
I'm sure this has been asked before ( by me I think) but is there a future Classic in production right now? I can't think of any.
did BMW make a z3 M?
yep. but the horse has bolted on them a soft top will set you back over 15k and the coupes are mostly close to 30k.
Z4Ms are cheaper and arguably better looking.
Always fancied a Caterham as a weekend car, but no garage pretty much makes it a no-go.
I'm tempted to get a Mk1 TT - I had the cabrio years ago, but looking at the coupe now as I could put a bike on the roof.
Elise for that money. It's special and very good fun to drive. Even 12 years ago mine only cost me £2k over 2 years and it was less than 2 y/o when I bought it. They'll be getting to the point of needing some care and attention by now but they're pretty much rust free (if you ignore the potential Ali corrosion).
Did I mention they're great to drive and you'll never tire of walking up to it. (unlike some of the tin tops mentioned)
Interesting thread. I have decided to do this with my mk1 MX5. I was using it as a daily driver till 3 years ago. When I stopped using it I tried selling it on but the offers were for just a few hundred pounds so I have put it in mothballs in a barn in the south of France and will forget about it for awhile. I've just checked eBay for similar cars and nothing much seems to have happened yet. Will report back in a decade or two.
Anyway cars like this shouldn't be squirrelled away they need to be driven, that's the problem with these zillionaires they buy these cars as they are too rich then they don't drive them as they are boring twunts sitting on yauchts in the med.
Hipsters will probably snap up all the 1.6 Vauxhall Vectras with 'upgraded' Goodmans stereos in 15 years time.
Mustn't forget the absolutely mental Renault 5 Turbo if you can find one that hasn't been wrapped around a tree...
Used to own a civic type R EP3. It was the updated model (indicators in the mirrors, Cosmic grey, air-con) and it was absolutely immaculate, not a mark on it. Without doubt it was the best car I've ever had by a country mile. When petrol prices went though the roof I got rid of it, for a paltry £5800. I've made some bad decisions in my life but getting shut of Rita (what I named her) was a monumental one 😥
The problem with keeping a car as an investment is that you still have to maintain and house it. Even in a sheltered environment a car deteriorates.
Over 20 years or so, the money put into to storage and maintenance plus initial cost would if invested probably give a better return.
The real trick is to buy a car you can use daily that doesn't lose too much money.
Ford racing puma
Toyota celica GT (especially yellow - 23 left)
pug gti-6
Unmolested manual supra
Unmolested classic Impreza (specifically rb-5, 22b, McRae or p1)
For more £ Maserati grantuismo I've seen them selling as low as £30k surely they will go up and up over the next 30 years.
The ae-86 above has already appreciated.
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It seems what you are after is a modern mainstream car, so this is my suggestion for a vehicle that'll be worth more in the future [mostly because "lol ICE"].
The real trick is to buy a car you can use daily that doesn't lose too much money.
Actually, I'm beginning to think the Mk 1 Yaris is rather like that. In fact, as far as I can tell the prices have been stable for several years!
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Here's ours, with 60k on the clock at 15 😀
£10k ?
Porsche 996. You get one for that, and a lovely one for £14k. In 5 years time it will be worth the same, if not much more.
Get an early 3.4, no IMS bearing issues and a cable throttle for direct human-machine interface. A few have done 300k+ miles without engine work. Hold out for a manual.
Top of your budget (a C4 but looks lovely):
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Keep your eyes open and you should get a cracker privately for £10k.
They are rising in enthusiast demand so appreciating in value. Because many parts are shared with Boxsters (and they sold loads of them) aftermarket parts are cheap.
So long as you don't pay Porsche tax on parts and labour it will be cheap to run. They are as simple as any other car to work on, you don't need to pay specialist labour rates.
Be prepared for 26mpg unless you only drive on the motorway, but insurance is surprisingly cheap.
Roof bars are available for transporting bikes (look on ebay for 997 roof bars, they share the same roof).
I like the silver 996 ^^
Lovely.
Glad to hear a few of you are pointing out TT Mk1's... Since I have the roadster 3.2 full blingo version I think I'll keep it for a few more years yet then.. 😀
Mustn't forget the absolutely mental Renault 5 Turbo
Is there a single turbo or compatible spare left in the world for them though, seeing as they went through turbos at the rate of about 2 every 5,000 miles....
Ohh and has anyone mentioned the Citroen DS yet? About 20-odd years ago I looked at buying one from Greece (for not many hundred ££££s) and getting it back to the UK.
I think that the BMW E87 130i M Sport might be a good investment if kept in good condition.
I'm sure this has been asked before ( by me I think) but is there a future Classic in production right now? I can't think of any.
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Especially as I don't think many are selling.
The Tiff Needell/Jodie Kidd Classic Car Show on telly last night mentioned the Porsche 968, Jag XJ6 and Maserati Quattroporte (the old wedge shaped one) as being on the up. Not sure if is was a repeat or not 🙂
Especially as I don't think many are selling.
I bought one ! 🙂 Bloody good fun to drive; First car I've ever owned that I haven't got bored with after 18 months ....
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E39 5 series. Voted best car in the world back in 2000 I think?
Good for big folks.
Ohh and has anyone mentioned the Citroen DS yet?
Lol, they're already well into classic territory as are 2CV derivatives
Subaru BRZ are rarer thanks to the contract agreement with Toyota 😉
As mentioned above I agree that Honda S2000 is a good bet for a future classic. I had one 12 odd years ago. Great car.
I also have a soft spot for original condition Honda Prelude (2.2 VTEC version). Am on the look-out for a Mark 3 - most people consider it fuggly but I prefer distinctive. Damn things like hens teeth tho.
future classic and depreciation proof are different things.
People mentioning EK9 civics and S2000's, potentially future classics but miles away from being depreciation proof.
Compared to the right specced 996 that may never make hallowed classic status but is as nailed on to go up in value as any car that can be had under £14k (as long as it's got those sublime fixed back seats..mmmmm)
Mustn't forget the Lotus Carlton - awesome car. 180 mph top speed from memory...
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^^ old family friend had p one of those. Used to get used maybe twice a year....
Mk1 mx5.... When looking for the GF's mx5 (mk2) the few mk1s were rarer than the mk2 and we equal to our more expensive than the mk2.
Z3 Coupe has got to be a future classic... There is one around the corner and it looks mighty fine.
In my first few weeks of being an apprentice motor mechanic we were called out to recover a car that had crashed into Tongland bridge on the road into Kirkcudbright, off we go and i was fair excited as this was my first ride as shotgun to a recovery.
We arrive and there is one of those ^ Lotus Carlton's, except it is missing a boot which was 50 yards up the road where the boy had lost control, oversteered at the previous corner and as the tail whipped round he hit the "old rail bridge structure", the car spun back down to the road bridge where it managed to get round a good percentage of the corner but had struck the corner of the bridge and spun along the road (a thomas telford bridge btw) the engine/gearbox was 50 yards down the side of the river bank and one of the three wheels that were missing was found smashed through the roof of the cottage to the right of the bridge, the other two were found later that day as they ended up in the River Dee.
The boys father was quite high up at Gates Power Transmissions in Dumfries and the son had borrowed his fathers car for the day (only 4 weeks after passing his test) , he had 3 friends in the car, they were all relatively unscathed but it's the first time (and only time) that i have seen people that have pissed themselves due to fear 😀
Renaultsport Clio Trophy and Twingo 133. Just because of the uncompromising RS approach. No turbo in a 1.6 engine. Obviously the V6 should be there too.
Just bought a Twingo 133. It is great. Takes a road bike vertically with front wheel removed. Revs to 7500 and sounds like a proper car 😀
Inclined to agree about the Prelude, though I think I prefer this one.
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I'm sure this has been asked before ( by me I think) but is there a future Classic in production right now? I can't think of any.Especially as I don't think many are selling.
Re GT-86
I love them the chassis is a joy and there's enough grunt to use fully in novice hands, however on paper they look poor value in terms of power to the majority, despite how lovely they are to drive. Just not enough bhp these days when your average rep mobile is matching its output. I just don't think uk market gets them when bhp and 0-60 sells cars. The facelift version looks worse imho. As approved used prices are dropping fast I think they could become a bargain.
Current classics tend to be fun cars fondly remembered from our younger years that were common then but rare now. 60's and 70's MGs and Triumphs, 80's GTIs and fast Fords, 90's Hondas or older, quirky Citroens or Lancias etc. By that logic, more modern fun cars such as the Toyota GT86 or MR2, Fiesta or Focus ST, SportKa, MX5, Fabia VRS, BMW Mini Cooper S, that barely turn heads now, could well be viewed through rose tinted specs in future. Not forgetting oddball stuff like the Citroen C6 or a final edition Saab or Defender. Biggest worries are parts, fuel and future emission / taxation legislation.
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If we're all going to be driving electric cars in 20 years (and it looks like we are, or perhaps just 3-cyl econo engines) then something with a big characterful engine would get my vote. There will always be small sporty cars that handle nicely, but the feel of a grunty engine (especially NA) may be on its way out.
So the e92 M3 is a good shout IMO.
V8 Mustang for being unapologetically brash
Any ferrari / porsche maybe even including boxsters
The only problem is that we can't predict what sort of tax sanctions will exist. These cars may prohibitively expensive to run.
Sorry, I'm still laughing at the MG ZT suggestion from page 1 😆
Focus RS just started production and looking at the last RS, the values stay up.
I had a bit of spare money a few years ago and looked at buying a Sapphire RS. They were going for £ 8-9 k for a good one, now they are upto £ 13-15 k. Spent the money on my house instead so didn't just blow it on Coke and......
I think the high spec cars of " normal " cars will appreciate. Like had been said, try to find a Renault 5 GT Turbo these days. Fiat Uno Turbo, Fiesta RS, XR3i always go up in value.
If I had any spare cash, I'd be looking Corsa VXR, Fiesta ST etc.
Probably completely wrong and this list just proves I'm a chav boy racer at heart. 😀
Re GT-86
I love them the chassis is a joy and there's enough grunt to use fully in novice hands, however on paper they look poor value in terms of power to the majority, despite how lovely they are to drive. Just not enough bhp these days when your average rep mobile is matching its output. I just don't think uk market gets them when bhp and 0-60 sells cars. The facelift version looks worse imho. As approved used prices are dropping fast I think they could become a bargain.
More poke, Sir?
Do the rear seats fold flat? There's got to be enough room in there for a couple of terriers, shirley?
Not sure I'd spend £30k on one though...
Ford racing puma.
@lapdog the C6 is an interesting choice - great car. Genuine question though - can you think of any other diesel that has gone on to be a classic? The C6 only comes with an oil burner and I'm struggling to think of any that have gone on to be considered a classic.
C5 will be the last model with hydro pneumatic suspension, thats one to go for.
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Those smart car things, not many are seen outside the M25, look awful, but the owners see
M happy with them
I'm laughing my butt off and some of these calls. I can't imagine any of the Japanese cars being suggested being anything other than curiosities rather then acknowledged 'classisc', likewise the only way some of those chavved-up super minis will ever achieve chassic status is if the water supply is contaminated with strong haluciogenics.
Surely proper future classics have to have a few things going for them. One is 'thing', if you like, the indefiniable magic bit, Corrados - I'm biased - air-cooled Porsche 911s, old Minis, original Beetles, Karmans, Jaguar E-types are all different, but all have 'it', so does the Citroen DS and even the 2CV. Saxos and Novas do not have it, some Fords oddly do, but mostly they've all disintegrated by now.
Which makes for point two: they need to have a certain rarity, if there are billions out there, they aren't 'classic', they are simply old cars. That's the difference between Mk1 Golf GTis and Mk2s, at the moment there are simply too many of the later cars around, though that's changing.
Three, a car can be really good functionally, but still not be a classic in waiting - eg all sorts of identikit BMWs, Audis etc. They can be 'classics' to a handfull of model enthusiasts, sure, but to be genuinely sought after, they need to have a more general cachet, surely?
That's my take anyway.
More poke, Sir?
Even that is quite sluggish though.
Define sluggish. 280bhp, 0-62mph in 4.9s apparently, with (presumably) well-sorted handling. I doubt there's much that would keep up in twisties.Even that is quite sluggish though.
I'm laughing my butt off and some of these calls. I can't imagine any of the Japanese cars being suggested being anything other than curiosities rather then acknowledged 'classisc', likewise the only way some of those chavved-up super minis will ever achieve chassic status is if the water supply is contaminated with strong haluciogenics.
Balls. DC2 Integra was rated as the best performance FWD car of its time, its successor, whilst having a better engine, wasn't a shade on its predecessor. And none of the cars are being suggested in "chavved up" form, in fact the rarity lies in the fact it's so hard to find a mint unmolested example.
VTEC Hondas are a 'thing' like hydro pneumatic Citroens, air cooled VW's and such. Just because it doesn't command a six or high five figure sum at auction it doesn't mean it's not a classic. I can guarantee that a lot of J-tin will be a hell of a lot more sought after than some of the BMC / Leyland / Rover / that weeks name shite that currently passes for classics.
As squirrelking says. The Honda NSX not a classic?
And the early Nissan Z cars plus the earlier Skyline GTR's are most definitely in classic territory.
Late 80's really 90's Celica's and Supra's are getting there...
I think gofasterstripes is right. I'm still tempted to pick up an A2 as the everyday runabout.
The Mitsubishi Evo groupe A was the rally car closest to the road car to win the world rally championship in a couple of decades. The Evo IV, V and VI can be had for under £10 000.
Define sluggish. 280bhp, 0-62mph in 4.9s apparently, with (presumably) well-sorted handling. I doubt there's much that would keep up in twisties.
According to the tech specs in the advert it's 197bhp, and 7.6 0-60, possibly wrong, but that's a daft thing to get wrong on a performance car on a classified ad! I never quite get cars like that on auto trader; It's 5 months old... £30k... Who'd buy private?! I'd also have a Golf GTI or possibly an R for that money, the former being quicker, the latter being much quicker! Get that that's personal though.
Edit:just seen the date on the ad
According to the tech specs in the advert it's 197bhp, and 7.6 0-60, possibly wrong, but that's a daft thing to get wrong on a performance car on a classified ad! I never quite get cars like that on auto trader; It's 5 months old... £30k... Who'd buy private?! I'd also have a Golf GTI or possibly an R for that money, the former being quicker, the latter being much quicker! Get that that's personal though.POSTED 11 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST
The performance figures on Autotrader are automatically listed for any make of car. You cannot alter them. Those displayed are for the standard car.
Stick a supercharger on it, even a light blower, and it'll be substantially quicker.
BadlyWiredDog,
Three, a car can be really good functionally, but still not be a classic in waiting - eg all sorts of identikit BMWs, Audis etc. They can be 'classics' to a handfull of model enthusiasts, sure, but to be genuinely ...... Yes I agree there's plenty of BMW's & Audis out there but even normal! E46 M3's are going up in value & there's lots of them around, the original LHD M3 is like rockinghorse poo & a tidy one is now commanding serious money, in part due to it's racing heritage, I wish I could say the same about the M3 CSL I had, no racing history to speak of but prices have gone through the roof, that said I think there are only around 230 left on the road.
Very quick in my book, awesome sound track & I couldn't drive it to save my life but the grin was huge.
It has to be something other than your run of the mill stuff & no disrespect but a corsa, 106 or that type of car will not go up in value.
According to the tech specs in the advert it's 197bhp, and 7.6 0-60, possibly wrong, but that's a daft thing to get wrong on a performance car on a classified ad! I never quite get cars like that on auto trader; It's 5 months old... £30k... Who'd buy private?! I'd also have a Golf GTI or possibly an R for that money, the former being quicker, the latter being much quicker! Get that that's personal though.
As per Suburbanreuban, those stats are for the standard car, not the supercharged version. I'd be surprised if a Golf R could keep up with that thing (at least in the dry) and a GTI would be left for dead.
But I'm with you on the fact that he'll probably struggle to sell that car privately. Most people for that money would want a dealer warranty, trade-in facility, finance etc.
As per Suburbanreuban, those stats are for the standard car, not the supercharged version. I'd be surprised if a Golf R could keep up with that thing (at least in the dry) and a GTI would be left for dead
Makes sense! Golf R is still quicker and more powerful on paper - no idea in real life/twisty stuff. Still, we digress, and I'd still have the Golf myself.
Dannybgoode - good question about whether any diesels are or will be classics? Not many come to mind. I do think the Citroen C6 maybe the exception though. The last of the great line of hydro pneumatic big citroens - DS, SM, CX, XM, C6. I don't really count a C5 as a top of the line big mad Citroen (also more common than a C6). It is also rare only 23,000 made worldwide during its production. It's a French presidential car -Chirac and Hollande drive them. It's beautiful (in a quirky way). Full of gadgets. Things go wrong with it (it is French) which is also a sure fire necessity to be a classic.
I'm tempted by one lapdog - great cars and holding their value well.
That said I'm looking for something a bit silly next so an Alfa GT V6 is at the top of the list currently and that will become a classic. No doubt about it...
Dannybgoode, lapdog I thought they sold a 3 litre V 6 C6 petrol for a while?
Yes; the back seats fold completely flat; you can fit a whole spare set of wheels in there so you can drive to the track; swap your wheels for something stickier then pop the normal ones back on to get home.
And regarding them being sluggish - I'll happily take anyone out for a spin in mine; you just might change your mind. Being able to carry a bit more speed through a corner and getting a better drive out of it is fair more worthwhile than being able to just plant yer foot and go 'whhoooosh!' in a straight line.
Still; I guess you could say that about any car - until you've been in one whilst it's driven hard you never know what a car can really do.
Dannybgoode, lapdog I thought they sold a 3 litre V 6 C6 petrol for a while?
Just looked - indeed they did. Now to find one 🙂
Dannybgoode. Good luck finding a 3 litre V6 petrol. I think the diesels were by far the most common for a relatively uncommon car. They are cool in my opinion though. Even Top Gear put them at the far end of cool on their cool board from memory?
no idea in real life/twisty stuff.
What like at a track day?
Or do you all drive like super hero's on the queens highway cos you got the skillz? Which I guess is fine until somebody loses a leg.
I love all this car talk, real man stuff.
And regarding them being sluggish - I'll happily take anyone out for a spin in mine; you just might change your mind. Being able to carry a bit more speed through a corner and getting a better drive out of it is fair more worthwhile than being able to just plant yer foot and go 'whhoooosh!' in a straight line.Still; I guess you could say that about any car - until you've been in one whilst it's driven hard you never know what a car can really do.
I would love to take you up on your offer but no idea how I would disguise my hard-on 😳
Yes; I bought my car because it's fun to drive. And yes; I do go to track days - because that's the correct place for driving quickly and improving your driving skills. Nowhere did I claim to be breaking the law; nor driving like an idiot. It was a genuine "people claim it to be slow because of the performance figures on paper" without ever having sat in one.
Cheers for the attention though.
Offer still stands; I'll lend you a towel. 😀
BadlyWiredDog - MemberI'm laughing my butt off and some of these calls. I can't imagine any of the Japanese cars being suggested being anything other than curiosities rather then acknowledged 'classisc', likewise the only way some of those chavved-up super minis will ever achieve chassic status is if the water supply is contaminated with strong haluciogenics.
All it takes is one magazine article, one film, one episode of Top Gear etc to turn an obscure curiosity into a classic. People are stupid and fickle like that.
Surely proper future classics have to have a few things going for them. One is 'thing', if you like, the indefiniable magic bit, Corrados - I'm biased
Nothing special about Corrados. An ugly wedge but each to their own. However the "Vag scene" is so large and so popular that virtually anything with a VW/Audi badge will at some point attain cult status, the rarer/faster/sportier the quicker they will attain that status.
Which makes for point two: they need to have a certain rarity, if there are billions out there, they aren't 'classic', they are simply old cars. That's the difference between Mk1 Golf GTis and Mk2s, at the moment there are simply too many of the later cars around, though that's changing.
The average shelf life of a new car now is 12 years. Just by normal progress of time all cars will become rarer and rarer and rarer. When was the last time you saw one of these?
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There were 3.3 million of them at one stage.
Three, a car can be really good functionally, but still not be a classic in waiting - eg all sorts of identikit BMWs, Audis etc. They can be 'classics' to a handfull of model enthusiasts, sure, but to be genuinely sought after, they need to have a more general cachet, surely?
See any Vag car.
With all the performance related toys on here I think a boggo <20k on the clock Smart Fortwo Mk1 in unfettled condition will be worth a punt.
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Just not enough bhp these days when your average rep mobile is matching its output.
Disagree, a drivers car is not about power, its about how it drives.
Personally I think this is future classic already, where as its predecessor Mk3 was shocking
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The big money will be in mint Morris Marinas - those that avoided falling piano syndrome.
How many left on the road?
Still; I guess you could say that about any car - until you've been in one whilst it's driven hard you never know what a car can really do.
I have to agree with this - I was taken up a closed road (Harewood Hill Climb) in a bog-standard BMW 320 by an instructor and it utterly terrified me – he was braking so late and going through corners so quickly it astounded me.