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Coming over here taking our woodpiles jobs.
Ah yes, I cocked up the link. See the-muffin-man's post.
40% of Londoners were born outside of the UK, which is a staggeringly high number - I doubt there are many capital cities anywhere in the world, if any at all, where only 60% of residents were actually born in the same country as the capital city.
40% of Londoners were born outside of the UK
I'd imagine that a reasonable percentage of the remaining 60% were born outside of London also.
Sydney?
I wonder how accurate these things are as it my not count people in attics etc.
Sydney isn't a capital city.
Pedantic I know but....
40% of Londoners were born outside of the UK
I’d imagine that a reasonable percentage of the remaining 60% were born outside of London also.
Yeah, when I worked up there 30 years ago, I think I knew about 3 actual Londoners. The rest were all Irish, New Zealanders and South Africans, it felt like.
Let’s see how the right wing rags spin this one.
The 2021 survey counted 10 million foreign-born people, among a population of 59.5 million in England and Wales.
They didn't mind that Boris Johnson was born outside the UK. He's in that 10 million statistic. As am I.
40% of Londoners were born outside of the UK, which is a staggeringly high number – I doubt there are many capital cities anywhere in the world, if any at all, where only 60% of residents were actually born in the same country as the capital city
Dubai. though not really a capital
3.5 million residents
3.2 million are non Emirati
91.4% were not born there
Yeah the oil rich gulf states are likely contenders but how many of their foreign residents are actually permanent residents who intend to retire and eventually die there?
Most of the 40% of Londoners born outside of the UK undoubtedly intend to to spend their final days in London.
It's not "staggeringly high" anyway... New York is 36%... thriving cosmopolitan cities are a cultural asset, helping countries punch above their weight in the arts, media, advertising, design, architecture, creative accounting...
Monaco is another place where most people who are 'resident' there aren't actually born there. I'd imagine the same is probably true of many other tax havens and dodgy 'principalities'. London is a massive city to have such a proportion of non-born residents though I suppose. Toronto is supposedly the most 'diverse' city, but New York has the most languages spoken, and I think London the most nationalities represented. Successful large cities always have high transience and large 'non-native' populations.
New York isn't a capital city and 40% is greater than 36% . And I certainly consider more than a third of the residents in a capital city to be born outside the country to be staggeringly high.
But yeah, New York has staggeringly large amounts of non-US born residents.
I doubt any capital city compares with London for the high level of foreign born residents, certainly no European capital city.
40% is greater than 36%
Thanks.
Just checked a random link for Stockholm (my capital city) and the first link ( https://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/stockholm-population) suggests that about 27% of Stockholmers are immigrants or of non-Swedish background.
Which seems a lot, but which I don't really notice. Just thinking about my village (100km north of it) and my immediate neighbour include a Kurd, two Norwegians, another Norwegian, a Finn and a guy from Marocco. Oh yeah, and me, the token Brit.
I imagine lots of the “world Cities” New York, Los Angles, Sydney those sorts of places are similar demographically to London. Although I’d imagine places like Tokyo are pretty much 90% locals
It’s not “staggeringly high”
It's "staggeringly high" if it's unexpectedly outside of your frame of reference. My grandparents have some very un-PC views of London / metropolitan areas, but they live in Kirkby Lonsdale.
thriving cosmopolitan cities are a cultural asset.
This +1
I'd quite like to know internal migration stats for regions/cities too. Something like a map showing "average distance from where you finished secondary education" (closest I can think of for a definition of 'hometown').
New York isn’t a capital city
It's the Largest city in the USA though, and the only US city of comparable size to London, LA is half the size, and their capital is the 23rd, about the same size as Sheffield.
Another foreign born interloper here.
Anyway, I'm glad the Tories are in government now to sort out this disastrous situation and take control of our borders. I know they're only getting started as they've only been in power since....oh.....hang on.....🤔
I imagine lots of the “world Cities” New York, Los Angles, Sydney those sorts of places are similar demographically to London.
No doubt Nick, but I reckon that London is at the top of the league when it comes to assimilating people from across the globe.
No doubt Nick, but I reckon that London is at the top of the league when it comes to assimilating people from across the globe.
Possibly because historically we claimed 1/3 of the globe, and all the occupants, as "ours".
More than half of the population of Amsterdam are first or second generation migrants.
My team at work has people born in Kenya, Nigeria, ****stan, Brazil and at least two Poles.
My Brazilian colleague got a shock when she was chunteting to herself in Portuguese and a passing cleaner replied to her.
This is in the wilds of Nottingham.
Edinburgh is 40% non scottish born - mainly english incomers (from memory)
You can be very parochial about London Ernie
My grandparents have some very un-PC views of London / metropolitan areas, but they live in Kirkby Lonsdale.
My grandparents lived in Kirkby Lonsdale and they were quite tolerant of things. My dad (who resides in the Spanish campo).................not so much. So we can't blame the lovely village of Kirkby L 🙂
My Brazilian colleague got a shock when she was chunteting to herself in Portuguese and a passing cleaner replied to her.
That's a good one.
I acted as "interpreter" on several occasions for people from the far east when they were having trouble explaining to the locals. LOL!
I doubt any capital city compares with London for the high level of foreign born residents, certainly no European capital city.
I'd wager the Vatican might not have a huge amount of 'native born' persons residing there.
Most of the 40% of Londoners born outside of the UK undoubtedly intend to to spend their final days in London.
Undoubtedly? London has amongst the highest population turnover rates in the UK which suggests that many of its population don't see it as a long term home.
Personally, I don't give a monkey's if it's staggering high or not (not that I think it is).
Seems to me to be a perfectly natural and understandable response to historical activity.
(Same with Amsterdam, Paris, Berlin etc)
If you spend a few hundred years trying to stamp your ownership over much of the world, then it's fair game that, in time, people will gravitate to your country/cities.
I’d wager the Vatican might not have a huge amount of ‘native born’ persons residing there.
Yes, like Monaco which you mentioned earlier, the city state of the Vatican City is, just like London, a veritable melange of ethnic and cultural diversity....... millions of peoples from across the globe come to contribute to the Vatican City's world-renowned cosmopolitan character 😊
My Brazilian colleague got a shock when she was chunteting to herself in Portuguese and a passing cleaner replied to her.
Always funny when that happens. Only the other day me and my biker crew rode through a traveller site and they muttered some Irish at us and I replied in Irish.
Personally, I don’t give a monkey’s if it’s staggering high or not (not that I think it is).
Why not? I think the fairly unique contribution which foreign-born residents make to the UK's capital city is something which should be recognised.
And something which Brits should be understandably proud of. Especially considering how far advanced the UK is compared to other European countries.
I have no idea btw why the thread is titled "Fuel for the xenophobes" when diversity is a cause to be celebrated.
You can be very parochial about London Ernie
As a foreign-born Londoner I am very proud of London, I make no apologies for that.
Here's more London-related stats that I'm proud of:
Why not?
Maybe it's just me, but the way you write came across sarcastic/rhetorical.
e.g.
40% of Londoners were born outside of the UK, which is a staggeringly high number – I doubt there are many capital cities anywhere in the world, if any at all, where only 60% of residents were actually born in the same country as the capital city.
Doesn't skim read as a positive remark.
Which might be why posters are arguing with you.
I have no idea btw why the thread is titled “Fuel for the xenophobes”
Because as I said they will put their spin on it.
92.7% born in the Uk in my area. You can play around with the data for your own area here
Doesn’t skim read as a positive remark.
he’s forin and don’t rite that good.
it would be interesting to see how many different countries of origin there are.
Maybe it’s just me, but the way you write came across sarcastic/rhetorical.
That probably says more about you than me. Why should you assume that I was being "sarcastic"? There was nothing vaguely sarcastic about my comment.
When I first heard that 40% of Londoners were born outside the UK I was staggered that the figure was so high, I assumed that no other capital city, certainly in Europe, comes close to that. There is no sarcasm here.
In the same way I was staggered when I read this last month :
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/tory-labour-party-poll-election-survation-defeat-london-38-degrees-b1030965.htmlIt was totally unexpected. Although very unlikely it is actually possible that the Tories could lose every single seat in London if a GE were held now.
Why can't I be impressed with something unexpected without being sarcastic?
Why should you assume that I was being “sarcastic”?
1) Poe's law
2) The use of "quotations marks"
If people come with no qualification or special skills whatsoever they will find out the street is not exactly paved with gold.
Struggling for 20 to 30 years can be a norm for majority and some may even struggle for 2 to 3 generations if they are incapable of a discipline lifestyle. i.e. hard work with constant learning and education.
They have entered a highly developed economy and imagining something resembling their TV dream (the impression everything is wonderful and stress free) can be an illusion for many.
Yes, some will make it to a better life but majority are just gambling. When the time has passed and they aged that's the time where they will regret.
There is no shortcut in life but just a lot of grinding and determination ...
Because as I said they will put their spin on it.
Well it seems to me that the last thing some people want to do is talk about the issue as if it is something to be celebrated. Which kinda gives xenophobes a clear run.
When I first heard that 40% of Londoners are foreign-born I thought "how great that the UK's capital city should have so much diversity", but it seems that some people's reaction is more along the lines of "oh dear, what will xenophobes say".
How about not letting racists set the narrative? 💡
Why should you assume that I was being “sarcastic”?
1) Poe’s law
2) The use of “quotations marks”
I don't know what Poe's law is and I haven't used any quotation marks other than when I have actually quoted someone.
You had no reason to assume that I was being sarcastic. There nothing in my post that could be interpreted as sarcasm.
I doubt any capital city compares with London for the high level of foreign born residents, certainly no European capital city.
Brussels;
Brussels is home to many immigrants, with approximately 70% of people of foreign origin making up the region’s population.
There is no shortcut in life but just a lot of grinding and determination …
It's been a tough few months keeping my lap dancing career going as on overweight middle aged man, but this mantra keeps me going
New York isn’t a capital city
Pendant alert, it is of New York State.
But a big thumbs up for this
How about not letting racists set the narrative?
Brussels is home to many immigrants, with approximately 70% of people of foreign origin making up the region’s population.
Yeah that's not really the same thing - foreign-born and foreign-origin.
If you were to include the total number of foreign-origin Londoners it would be considerably more than 40%
Pendant alert, it is of New York State.
Best to be correct when being pedantic, the State Capital of New York is Albany.
Ernie's post was clearly positive.