[Closed] Friends Court Summons arrived

no he should go to court to have some simple facts explained to him in person. Suggest he packs his own lube.

Should be a charge of being a see you next tuesday too

I would imagine he could plead guilty by post but would imagine the judge would want to see him for those offences. He will be banned.

Trying to speed at 100mph without getting caught? My lord! 😯

The whole country is practically being watched by big brother 24/7, yet he still risks it ...

A person can drive a Lambor or the fastest car in the world so long as the speed is capped at 70mph max. 🙄

i expect they'll want him to attend so they can take his licence off him.
silly.

Driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence

Section 87(1) Road Traffic Act 1988
Penalty 3-6 penalty points and/or disqualification. Fine up to £1000.

Driving without insurance

Section 143 Road Traffic Act 1988.
Penalty 6 – 8 points or a disqualification + fine up to £5000

Speeding

Section 89 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984
Maximum penalty upon conviction: Fine up to £1000, 3 – 6 points or a disqualification.

he ll certainly lose his licence for a stretch.. probably 3 months.
he ll probably have about 250 worth of fines costs etc if he pleads skint he ll be able to pay as little as 3 quid a week.
expect about 9 points on licence

his insurance will in the future for car and bike be astronomicla at least a 200% loading on both.

he ll probably be never able to afford a to legally ride a 600cc bike.

he ll probably be never able to afford a to legally ride a 600cc bike.

Doing more than double the speed limit with no insurance or license.

His fine + costs will be plenty more than £250 !!!

3 months and 3250? I seriously hope it's well in excess of that.

Still look on the bright side. If he is banned it might be a bit longer before someone is tying flowers to a tree for him.

Or even worse someone tying flowers to a tree for the pedestrian he killed

And that pedestrian (motorist/person) is the family wage earner without insurance for loss of life due to careless uninsured idiot.....

Even if this is a troll, driving knowingly uninsured is NOT A VICTIMLESS crime!

No, attend & own up, & man up.
He's your mate so tell him he's a knob, but your still his mate.
I'm sure he feels bad enough knowing the gravity of what he's done.

takisawa2 - good advice but I suspect his awareness extends only to having been caught. I'd say he's waaaay worse than a 'knob'.

Pedestrian shouldn't have been on the motorway surely?

(ahem, SP[b]50[/b]) 😉

he ll certainly lose his licence for a stretch.. probably 3 months.
he ll probably have about 250 worth of fines costs etc if he pleads skint he ll be able to pay as little as 3 quid a week.
expect about 9 points on licence

Pretty sure it's points or a ban not both.

He needs protecting from himself.

If hes on a good wage he may be in for a shock re: level of fine.

From what I've read is 12 points on a provisional cnot a totting up ban if they disqualify you? As its looking like it will be. He said his 125cc was broke so the 600cc he bought he used in a desperate attempt to get to work while it was being fixed.

He knows he is a knob and I've told him he is a knob.

So he was also desperately late for work?

Me wonders how many times he rides this 600 ..

he ll probably be never able to afford a to legally ride a 600cc bike

Thankfully bike insurance has maintained an element of sanity.

My premium this year on an 800cc 100bhp bike is £150 fully comp....my deisel 100bhp estate car is closer to £500.

A few friends have got back on bikes after bans and still found the premiums lower than their car insurance....why?....call me cynical but in virtually every car RTC i've been to the parties involved are practically salivating at the prospect of compensation, the collision may be minor but you can bet your mortgage on everybody involved complaining of neck pain and wanting to be seen in hospital....and looking forward to the cheque in the post.

In my experience of bike RTCs the rider tends to be the only person hurt and just wants to get the bike home, you usually have to drag a motorcyclist to the A&E.

Well as long as the rider doesnt end up In the backseat of the car

[s]You[/s] sorry ahem "you're mate" should turn up in court and accpt whatever the legal judiciary system will throw at [s]you[/s]/him.

did he actually not have any insurance? or is it an 'insurance was invalid due to you not being licensed'

Has he actually got the straight skinny from the insurance company, as often they seem to be more accommodating of messy situations than you or the police might expect.

Couple of hundred quid on a solicitor now might well be a good investment considering the fine he's likely to get!

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/motorbike-commuters-1

the reason I posted is because of this thread.

I have a a Suzuki GSR 600 for fun and Honda CBF 125 for work duties.

together with

Now I stupidly got a motorway speeding fine in November (111 mph)

He got done before me in October. 102 mph. I did 111mph and got a fixed penalty notice and 3 points for my sp50.He lm was asking me what I got for a sp50 bbut mines different in that mine was fully licensed. So I just got bollocked by a copper

Don't plead guilty by post, there is a fair chance he's looking at a ban so he'll need to turn up
Remember a ban comes into force immediately so don't drive/ride to court

He he, nicely spotted iolo.

So you got fixed penalty and 3 points for speeding at 111mph ?

Seems very unlikely to me.

http://www.motordefencelawyers.co.uk/motoring-news/111mph-and-no-disqualification/

Yup Had a fpn for same speed in a car about three years ago.

A few friends have got back on bikes after bans and still found the premiums lower than their car insurance....why?....call me cynical but in virtually every car RTC i've been to the parties involved are practically salivating at the prospect of compensation, the collision may be minor but you can bet your mortgage on everybody involved complaining of neck pain and wanting to be seen in hospital....and looking forward to the cheque in the post.

The majority of vehicle accidents will involve damage to property rather than people, so its the third party costs of walls, houses, crash barriers, lampposts and repair costs of other vehicles etc that insurers will most commonly meet the cost of rather than death and injury, and obviously a car can do a lot more damage to things than a bike. Even though killing and injuring others is very costly its rare in relation to damage to 'stuff'. The kind of compensation culture whiplash claims you're referring too are deliberately low value claims, lower than most repair bills, as they're deliberately pitched at less than the cost, time and bother of challenging them.

However car drivers potentially have 4 other humans in their vehicle, all of whom are third party responsibilities of the driver so thats also an issue in accidents that don't involve other road users.

Also - most M/C riders are a bit fair weather, it'll rarely be their main form of transport, so even though the risk per mile of riding bikes is very high (200 miles on a bike has the same micro-mort score as a day on the frontline in afgansistan) the time exposed to risk is very low compared to car driving.

Um as someone pointed out isn't SP50 a motorway offence? Unlicenced? Did he do that because he was late for work too?

Well, as someone who binned a bike (850 Suzuki) with no licence, insurance or road tax (fortunately they didn't ask for an MOT certificate or try very hard to estimate my speed other than 60mph "very fast" 😳 ) I can say do NOT plead guilty by post. I was trying to protect my brother (whose bike it was) and didn't want to get tripped up in court and dump him in it even worse). I ended up with 8 points and a fine (a couple of hundred iirc but that was in '87). Always reckoned it would have been better for the judge to have a rant at me (and also see the still rather vivid facial scars to see I hadn't got off scot free).

Of course this assumes that he can take a dressing down without reacting and making things worse for himself.

bwfc4eva868 - Member
Yup Had a fpn for same speed in a car about three years ago

So I try not to get all judgmental in these things, but really? Have you ever thought of learning your lesson?

OP are you abit of a Walter Mitty type character?

Yeah I have 6 points total at the moment. My problem was I drove/rode in a aggressive manner. Yet in work and at home I'm considered a nice person. But on the roads I was a complete tool. I now ride for the freedom not the thrill.

[i]If hes on a good wage he may be in for a shock re: level of fine. [/i]

Only difference is how long he takes to pay it.

Tell him when he fills in the fine paperwork to say he can't afford whatever it is they've charged him with. He'll then get to estimate his outgoings - from this he'll be able to get the fine down to a couple of quid a week.

Yup Had a fpn for same speed in a car about three years ago

Tell him when he fills in the fine paperwork to say he can't afford whatever it is they've charged him with. He'll then get to estimate his outgoings - from this he'll be able to get the fine down to a couple of quid a week.

bwfc4eva868 - Member

He got done before me in October. 102 mph. I did 111mph and got a fixed penalty notice and 3 points for my sp50.He lm was asking me what I got for a sp50 bbut mines different in that mine was fully licensed. So I just got bollocked by a copper

Sounds like you were lucky then, should have been a ban as > 36mph over limit.

I now ride for the freedom not the thrill.

Sounds like you both need a spell without motorised transport, bit of a chance to reflect.

Does anyone here believe it's the op's "friend" whose up in court.
Good luck op. Your going to need it.

I did, I decided to put my Suzuki away in the Garage for winter and while I recovered from knee surgery. Knee surgery needed from riding like a complete tool in Feb 13 and spending 6 months off work. The Suzuki has been out once since November last year.

I bought a 125 to commute on and have plans of selling both in the Summer for a 250cc commuter. I can not afford to lose my licence. Also adjusted my route to work that avoids motorways.

If I get caught speeding again, I very much doubt I will get such a let off.

Does anyone here believe it's the op's "friend" whose up in court.

Well he reckons he got a fpn 3 points for doing 111mph in November last year.

I don't believe that for a second, because for that speed it's a court appearance not a fpn.

So, I'm not sure I believe the rest of the story either.

Jesus Christ.. how about we rename it to 'Holier than thou track world'

The worst part of being a mtb'er is coming into contact with mountainbikers.

bellends.

The worst part of being a mtb'er is coming into contact with mountainbikers bellends.

You're doing it wrong.

nealglover - Member

Well he reckons he got a fpn 3 points for doing 111mph in November last year.

I don't believe that for a second, because for that speed it's a court appearance not a fpn.

So, I'm not sure I believe the rest of the story either.

ACPO guidelines state that the minimum action for 96mph and above is a summons to court.
My bullshittometer is off the scale.

I think that "your friend" should turn up to court and bullshit the judge like you have us - just for giggles.

dirk_pumpa - driving or riding on a public road like a complete cock-end "in a aggressive manner" is not big and not clever. Pointing that out does not make you "holier than thou".

Some tips for the day
"I'm not used to such a powerful bike"
"I didn't realise I was going that fast"
both should help increase the time awarded for contemplation.

Speaking as someone who's had their share of driving and riding 'briskly' over the years,

[s]You[/s] he is on a provisional licence, bought a 600cc bike that he's not qualified to ride, couldn't be arsed to insure it, and got caught doing in excess of 110mph?

Never mind tips on how to lessen the fine, if it were down to me the bike would be crushed and he'd be going to jail. Cretin.

Also adjusted my route to work that avoids motorways.

This is where your doing it wrong. 100+ on quiet roads is a skill same speed on the motorway is just silly and crap. Its all about the bends 😉

Never mind tips on how to lessen the fine, if it were down to me the bike would be crushed and he'd be going to jail. Cretin.

I reckon I could spend a good few weeks crushing cretins cars and bikes. Should be prescribed for stress.

Is speeding on a high horse more dangerous and more liable to a higher level of prosecution than others at a more 'grounded' level?

It is always worthwhile turning up to the magistrates court in person, whatever the charge is.

Suggest he puts a suit on and acknowledges his stupidity, it helps show you take the matter seriously.

If he pleads guilty by post or turns up and acts like a bellend, the fine and the points will be worse.

[i]Is speeding on a high horse more dangerous and more liable to a higher level of prosecution than others at a more 'grounded' level? [/i]

+1

For me the speed he got caught at is pretty irrelevant, it's been on the road without insurance that he ought to done hard for.

Get a Brief, write a mitigation statement, go to court, look contrite, take your medicine, learn your lesson.

Yes you've been silly but you're not the first and you won't be the last. Ignore all the holier than thou stuff above. There's a high degree of perfection on here, evidently.

Holier than though my arse.
Please tell me your comments if you read the following made up story
"uninsured unlicensced motorcyclist kills 5 year old girl due to excessive speed"

Not sure what point you're trying to make there, other than an ability to write Daily Mail headlines. If your hypothetical motorcyclist had killed the equally theoretical child whilst holding a valid licence and insurance, would she then only be slightly dead or something?

Exactly Cougar, what I was just about to write.
It's not big, it's not clver but as boblo says, not the first and won't be the last.

I love these threads the righteous come on and say how naughty it is to drive/ride on a motorway at 100 mph, but some how them doing 70/80 mph is just soo bloody safe and right.

Aye, and all of us at one point in our lives have done over the hundred.

::awaits the angels that stick to speed limits+10%::

but some how them doing 70/80 mph is just soo bloody safe and right

Aye, and all of us at one point in our lives have done over the hundred.
::awaits the angels that stick to speed limits+10%::

I've driven above the speed limit yes (not 111mph though)

But I've never done it without insurance or a license.

Have you ?

Aye, and all of us at one point in our lives have done over the hundred.

::awaits the angels that stick to speed limits+10%::

I thought the 70mph speed limit was more to do the saving fuel than lives when put into place? Happy to be corrected though. Additionally, a fellow director got caught on the m5 at 110mph in a car 2 weeks ago, let off with a 3 points and £100 fine, this was entirely at the discretion of the stopping officer and I'm not sure why he was feeling so lenient that evening, so it's entirely plausible as a story.

However, I don't condone the speeding with no licence, and obviously a very limited actual ability on the bike, and the total disregard for others. At least build up a level of compitance / experience if you're going to do it!

"Holier than thou"? "Bellends"? Grow up both of you.

"I thought the 70mph speed limit was more to do the saving fuel than lives when put into place? Happy to be corrected though. "

You're recycling the reason for US limit being dropped to 55 in the 1970s.

Is speeding on a high horse more dangerous and more liable to a higher level of prosecution than others at a more 'grounded' level?

this was entirely at the discretion of the stopping officer and I'm not sure why he was feeling so lenient that evening, so it's entirely plausible as a story.

this, a lad from the rugby club got pulled at 134 on the M6 in the middle of the night in his RS4. The police officer just gave him a stern talking to and said the only reason he pulled him over was because if he'd gone any quicker he'd not have been able to keep up with him, but given the time and conditions he felt he wasn't driving "dangerously" and so let him off.

one of my ex colleagues was clocked doing just over a hundred winding down on a slip road on his pan. he got a six month ban and a few hundred quid in costs/fines.

not the end of the world like.

FunkyDunc - Member
I love these threads the righteous come on and say how naughty it is to drive/ride on a motorway at 100 mph, but some how them doing 70/80 mph is just soo bloody safe and right.

Friend had a similar issue, got six month ban and £650 fine. He wasn't speeding either.

The problem with speed as it increases, the drivers false confidence in his own ability increases.

[Citation needed].

I thought the 70mph speed limit was more to do the saving fuel than lives when put into place?

No it was brought after a series accidents, no one cared back then about fuel as it was never going to run out or do any harm.

I'll step up to the plate. I don't do more than 70mph on motorways.

That [i]could[/i] be because I own a 12 year old 998cc Toyota Yaris though, and turning on the aircon is like throwing out an anchor! 😀

That could be because I own a 12 year old 998cc Toyota Yaris though, and turning on the aircon is like throwing out an anchor!

Hahahaha!

I regularly drive over 70mph when it's safe to do so but I'm allowed. 🙂

I've driven above the speed limit yes (not 111mph though)

But I've never done it without insurance or a license.

Have you ?

Many many many time in all honesty... I was young and foolish.

Not long ago I maxed out a Hayabusa on the road.... it was fast.. no-one died 🙂

I bet some flies died!

He needs protecting from himself.

Other people need protecting from him.

Letting people with low IQ's kill themselves in hilarious ways is good for the economy, the environment and the human gene pool.

a lad from the rugby club got pulled at 134 on the M6 in the middle of the night in his RS4. The police officer just gave him a stern talking to and said the only reason he pulled him over was because if he'd gone any quicker he'd not have been able to keep up with him, but given the time and conditions he felt he wasn't driving "dangerously" and so let him off

I'm not sure I believe that 🙂