[Closed] French etiquette in business

Where abouts in Switzerland? French, German or Italian speaking bit?

Just don't ask them about the Nazi Gold.....

Indeed, what's the language of the canton you're going to be in? Your schoolboy French won't go down at all well in a Swiss German canton!

FWIW, I've found that most Swiss business environments tend to switch to English as the 'neutral' language.

Depends whether they speak French, German, Italian or Rumantsch, or more probably English. I worked for Lindt and the company language for group meetings was English.

Just don't ask them about the Nazi Gold..

or tax evasion, money laundering, fence sitting

French? Pah. You're forgetting your "Brits abroad" etiquette! They all understand English if you speak LOUD and slow.

Blokes here go on the phone to France -
This office's half of the conversation usually goes something like

"Fabien? Bonjour Fabien!"
"Oui, bonjour"
"Oui, I'm fine merci"
"So, that thing you emailed about monsieur..." etc

Quite amusing, but the French guys don't seem to mind.

French etiquette? Remember to factor in the 3 hours for your lunch every day, where you can pop out to drink wine then blockade a port, or dump a few tons of horse poo outside the local town hall. Oh… and you'll be needing these…

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... to smoke while you stare into the middle distance, disinterested in anything anyone has to say

Nice bit of not so casual racism there, Binners. *Slow clap*

Blokes here go on the phone to France -
This office's half of the conversation usually goes something like

"Fabien? Bonjour Fabien!"
"Oui, bonjour"
"Oui, I'm fine merci"
"So, that thing you emailed about monsieur..." etc

Quite amusing, but the French guys don't seem to mind.

😆

There's an old scottish guy here who starts talking to our dutch colleagues in a dutch accent whenever he's around them or on the phone. In english 🙂 It sounds brilliant to be honest, really convincing! The dutch guys love it and he has no idea he's doing it.

… and if you spend more than a few hours within a mile of a field, then don't forget to pick up your EU farming subsidy

It's French Switzerland, I know that there's not much crossover.

The meeting itself will be in English, just thinking about general chit chat. I guess that answers the question itself doesn't it?

my hovercraft is full of eels

The meeting itself will be in English, just thinking about general chit chat. I guess that answers the question itself doesn't it?

Yep, pretty safe to say that the meeting, and all chit chat would be in English. No harm having a little schoolboy French lined up for hotel/restaurant use, however, as an attempt to use the local language is always appreciated IME.

general chit chat.

Start off with, "So, how did WW2 go for you? Must have been nice looking after all that Gold."

Flashy looking like he's about to deploy some Gallic chit chat……

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Unless you speak better French than they speak English it will gravitate to English. In The German speaking area they will try to speak English even if they can't and your German is excellent. When they talk among themselves don't be surprised if they start speaking a local dialect that even the Germans have to subtitle.

I'm looking forward to the hotel/travel stuff for the practice!

On the way back from Germany after six months of being a bit lost we stopped in France and I ended up talking the poor hotel woman's ear off, it was such a relief to be able to!

Yep, pretty safe to say that the meeting, and all chit chat would be in English.

Indeed. I spend my working day with Spanish, Dutch, German, Belgian and Irish. with the exception of the Irish, everyone converses in English.

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binbins meets him in arrivals

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You'll be fine with general chit chat, it's major faux pas that'll cause the problems.

I'm looking forward to the hotel/travel stuff for the practice!

I find they always respond in English, so I always have dual language conversations.

"Bonsoir, J'ai reserve, ...."

"and your name sir..."

etc

There's an old scottish guy here who starts talking to our dutch colleagues in a dutch accent whenever he's around them or on the phone. In english It sounds brilliant to be honest, really convincing! The dutch guys love it and he has no idea he's doing it.

It doesnt hurt to make a little effort and it will be appreciated. You can always rehearse the "my French is not good but I must try and practice a little". The meeting will be in English and they will almost certainly speak it very well. Have fun.

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I find they always respond in English, so I always have dual language conversations.

"Bonsoir, J'ai reserve, ...."

"and your name sir..."

etc

Watch and learn Molly. Watch and learn….

I reserve my crap French for speaking to shop and restaurant staff - in the office it's English only.
They don't teach you French for things like wifi access, spreadsheet, return on capital employed, risk-free rate of return, or knocking shop at school.

hampered by a guilford accent

people from Guildford have no accent.

Excuse to post this again ....

Worth noting that if you work with any French folks, they may find some of the words* rather rude, so headphones advised...!

* OK, just the one word! 🙂

As above the Swiss have their own version of German (Schweise Deutsch) but they understand and can speak High-German also. The French speaking Swiss have an accent which French can detect and they have their own word for eighty rather quatre-vingt (huitante I recall)

EDIT as a slight aside re Guildford accent, there certainly can be a fairly "plumy" Surrey/home-counties accent or a rural drawl depending.

To assist with Binners' cultural stereotyping, you might wish to prepare yourself for some cheek to cheek kissing too.

I read somewhere that they all do that 😉

This could well be my colleague:

@CFH - indeed re putain, the word "puh-ness" (spelt wrong I'm sure but that's the phonetic) is more acceptable

For Brakes:

y a t-il une connexion wifi SVP ? (y-a le wifi ici ?)
tableur (xl)
retour sur investissement (c'était rentable/ce n'était pas rentable)
le meilleur retour sur investissemnt sans prendre de risques inutiles

I don't know what "knocking shop at school" is but would guess at "salope".

As for "putain", "purée" or "punaise" are more business friendly.

thanks, have I been Edukated?

merci, j'ai été Edukated?

Je voudrais mettre une clôture autour de cette licorne.

Thank me later.

Only if you learn and use it.

To throw another thing into the mix

Tutoyer 🙂

http://french.about.com/od/grammar/ss/subjectpronouns_3.htm

Binners wins the thread..

Hilarious comments, made me chortle out loud. 😆

Sie, wenn Ihr dafür seid. 😉

Vous:

Bonour, Où est l'or Nazi ?

Speaking as somebody who does a lot of work in France, my advice would be not to worry. They are generally happy to speak english if you are polite and friendly.

Will there be a canteen for lunch? 😉

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I just got back from Switzerland, just outside Zurich. I was working with a mix of German and Italian Swiss...they were all really nice. No issues whatsoever with language.

A whole lot easier than dealing with Americans, and they speak pretty good English 😉

I usually find language not to be a problem, what gets me is the hugs and kisses (if you've met more than twice) or stupidly frequent yet limp wristed handshaking...

Actually, by far the worst thing is trying to subtitle a broad Derbyshire/Yorkshire dialect. I always come home from business meetings speaking like a recovering stroke victim!

Nice bit of not so casual racism there, Binners. *Slow clap*

In Binner's defence it's technically nationalism (for Gods sake don't give them the idea that they are a separate "race" they will be even more pompous).

Kicking seven shades of crap out of good old Jean-Claude has provided much Joint Anglo-German summertime holiday amusement for centuries - in fact if you think about it the Germans have historically given the French a damn good shoeing every fifty years or so (so on balance we are well overdue Fritz tear-arsing through Belgium to deliver the latest one) That's why the French have built those lovely tree lined roads, well you wouldn't those fair skinned German lads to get sunburned as they march into Paris. 😉

Right who have I upset then

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