[Closed] Freemasons - what's it all about?

you need to read a few Dan Brown books 😉

Social network, drinking club, charitable fund raising.

Freemasons = Scouts for old men

Stoner - Member

Social network, drinking club, charitable fund raising.

you been, Stoner?

Hubby of a friend was invited a few years ago.
Went three times.
Didn't go the fourth time.
Wife: "You not going tonight love?"
Hubby: "Nah."
Wife: "Why not?"
Hubby: "Errrr, just not going, is all...."
Wife: "I know you better than that. What's wrong with it?"
Hubby: "Errr, nothing. Well, I can't really tell you."
Wife: "Tell me what?"
Hubby: "Well, anything really."

...and that is all she knows to this day about her man's try-out in the Masons. 😕

An old boys network providing favours for your "mates"-

well, I was invited early this year, only went once! I found the racist, sexist, and other unpleasant forms of humur a bit much - but that's just me.

A back scratching gang for the social climbers and those who they suck off.

Uncle is a member and doesn't let on about what happens, all very secretive.

A bunch of bent coppers perverting the course of justice for favours.

Julianwilson - are you saying he'd developed a squint and winced for a few weeks every time he sat down?

An old boys network providing favours for your "mates"

Most entertainingly there was a "wives of masons" tinfoil hat conspiracy theory going round our NHS trust 10 or so years ago. I felt the ironing strongly in that one 😆

Tinners: no squinting or wincing, just genuine "I just can't tell you" mystery-ness.

Pananama hat in the back window of the car is a dead giveaway. Lets the old bill know not to pull them for drinking and driving.

A bunch of bent coppers perverting the course of justice for favours.

I got "the invite" from a long time friend last year, sounded to me like there is alot of secrecy about not much very exiting for your average brother, I imagine it's more profitable higher up the chain. I politely declined... cubs was more than enough of that sort of thing.

"wives of masons"

Would they be the Maisonettes?

igmc

Tinners, keep up that level of faith in our Police Force and you too could look like this in a few years: 😀

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I believe the commonly used STW tag "circle jerk" is the term best applied. Indeed a bunch of bankers...in fact a few of them probably are.

tadeuszkrieger - Member

"wives of masons"

Would they be the Maisonettes?

igmc

If the stern matron-types alleged to be involved were indeed 'maisonettes', then 'Condominiums' would have been a bit more descriptive. 😀

Pananama hat in the back window of the car is a dead giveaway. Lets the old bill know not to pull them for drinking and driving

Despite all the whitewash by those that one can reasoanably assume are freemasons themselves [url= http://www.charlton.demon.co.uk/masonic/report.html ]for example[/url]. My own experience when involved with cases 20 years ago leads me to believe that there are groups of high ranking people that pervert the course of justice and being freemasons is the most plausible link between them.

Again, I'm asking because I don't know and it strikes me as odd that they've "got away with it" for such a long time if such things really are going on

I had a mate whose dad was a Gendarme. (One of the ones that rides a motorbike really slowly down the Champs-Elyseés in front of the Président 8) ). I remember a row between him and his wife because he was fed up of pulling strings and cancelling her brother's speeding tickets, and this last one was the last straw.

So I imagine that if you are a mason and you [i]really[/i] take the piss with regards to the law etc they boot you out and you are on your own again.

It's all about man love.

it might be something of a boys club now, but in living memory, in the town where I grew up, a bus driver allegedly abducted a young girl. no-one knows what happened to her, but she was never seen again. its a matter of record that he had form in this kind of thing.
he has since died, and there's been something of a reexamination of the case. although he was on record as the last person to see her alive, and had previous, he was never formally questioned. his masonic connections saw to that.
closer to home, my father in law was involved in setting up a new lodge in a town. he was a regular member for a long time, but ended up leaving when a scrote he pulled over one night (FiL was a traffic cop) tried the handshake on him.FiL recognised him as a fellow member.
I've been asked to join but have declined.

It is principally about networking and charitable aims, with a bit of "escape from the Mrs" thrown in, I'm sure.

They ensured that my Great Aunt was OK financially and practically after my great uncle who was a member had died

ha ha all the old wives tales always come out

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/mps-order-masons-to-give-names-1145741.html ]Old wives'tales?[/url]

Getting made redundant while being better experienced and qualified than the bloke who kept his job. Boss was a freemason, other bloke was a freemason. Coincidence?

Bit like the old school tie brigade eh Stoner? 😉

Old wives'tales?

Tinners is a freemason.

Getting made redundant while being better experienced and qualified than the bloke who kept his job. Boss was a freemason, other bloke was a freemason

*then again.....maybe not

never been a member myself, my local pub provides all the social networking, drinking and perversion of justice that I need. My grandad was I think. My dad turned down offers to join.

An acquaintance was master of the local lodge recently. And Ive been in to the lodge for a non masonic event. As far as Im led to believe its just a drinking club to get out from the evening's dullness of 20+ year marriages and the treacherous lurking malfeasance is well over-played.

EDIT: was going to make a similar point to tinners. All organisations and loose affiliations are "networks" that people join for selfish reasons ultimately. Some might be more effective than others at the back scratching. If someone you rode with helped you get a job say, would that be bad or good compared to a fellow lodge member?

Are you a police officer, Tinners? I know you're a freemason but are you a copper as well? Kato, Munque Chick and a few others I can't remember the names of are open about it on here but experience on other forums tells me forum land is full of coppers and I suspect you could be one.

Edit: better Junkyard?

I've heard things along those lines but is it really true or just hearsay?

the treacherous lurking malfeasance is well over-played.

I'm fairly sure it is, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I suspect that if it does exist it was a lot more prevalent in the past anyway.

Why the secrecy though?

Working with a few...it seems they are little men, with a need to fit in. Good luck to 'em, but all the ones I have ever met are complete tossers.

Tinners is a freemason

There's no point denying being a freemason, however, are you a police officer, Tinners?

In all clubs or organisations I’d even go as far as saying all walks of life you will always have a minority who abuse a position or friendship for personal gain that is just human nature. As for the secrecy you can find out everything you need to know about freemasonry on the web so not really a great secret society 😯

I was employed by Opus Dei when I worked in Spain, they are Spain's Catholic equivalent. This was just after Franco had died and before Spain joined the EEC and the Opus pulled a couple of strings for me when I needed help. Spaniards call it un enchufe - a connection.

forum land is full of coppers

There's also thegreatape, delude, and easygirl, so that's about half a dozen then, not really a lot for a forum this size imo. I doubt very much there are others who haven't said that they are coppers.

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No, not a copper or a freemason otherwise I wouldn't be asking.

Nor would you have asked if torture was ever justifed on another thread. So what do you do for a living? Why start a thread about freemasons when typing any combination of "freemasons + Birmingham six, judiciary, police, justice" into Google will get you pages of stuff on freemasons that you can evaluate for yourself.

If someone you rode with helped you get a job say, would that be bad or good compared to a fellow lodge member?

Why start a thread about freemasons when typing any combination of "freemasons + Birmingham six, judiciary, police, justice" into Google will get you pages of stuff on freemasons that you can evaluate for yourself.

Because it's a chat forum ?

On the jobs thread there were loads of people that gave spoof replies, Ernie. Lots of people on here are secretive about their jobs and I have no doubt some of them are police officers.

Can you remember what I do?

If someone you rode with helped you get a job say, would that be bad or good compared to a fellow lodge member?

Not so bad, but not so good if the general understanding was that in riding with a certain group you were expected to do and receive such favours.

So, not a good comparison really

Why start a thread about freemasons

I'd remember if you were a copper.

To be fair to you Edukator, I never divulged what I did for a living on here until someone who had met me mentioned it. But only because I tend not to give personal details about myself on a forum full of anonymous strangers - I'm much happier to talk to people face to face about stuff like that, don't why, but I'm funny like that.

But I can't see much evidence that coppers on here are any more secretive about their professions than anyone else.

hmmm tinners surely you could of come up with a better line than that 😀
you should of just asked who is a mason rather than what appears an attempt to gauge if any STW members are.

Apologies if i’m wrong with that statement 8)

My dad is one, I have no interest in joining, have little time in my life without adding in what appears to be quite a time heavy past time. He's a nice bloke, doesn't wear antlers, doest walk round with a trouser leg rolled up or a nipple out either 🙂 they seem to do lots for charity and def look after their own so to speak although I'm not sure how far that goes... Being he lives on a smallish island stuff is generally corrupt anyway! 😀

To make my position clear I consider membership of the freemasons to be incompatible with any position of authority in the public service. I think police officers, magistrates, academics, councilors and anyone paid from the public purse should have to declare all of the clubs, associations and political parties they belong to when signing their job contracts. Specific mention should be made to freemasons, the mafia and secret societies. Failure to do so resulting in immediate job loss and civil law infringements.

Police officers have trouble making real world friends, Ernie. The anonymity of a forum gives them the opportunity to become normal for part of their day, have a laugh and have a rant without having to worry about being judged by their professional standards. Some choose to continue their role as police officers on the forums but some prefer the freedom of not doing so.

you seem very knowledgable on the subject edukator.. 😉

As usual, a little bit like phone-ins on the radio where majority of contributions are from the ill-informed or hopelessly bigoted small fraction of our empty vessel like community.

Please people, take the time to research your subject matter before foisting your bar-room, playground, comic book opinions on the rest of the world.

FYI freemasonry is now the 2nd biggest charitable donator to Non-Masonic causes in the UK, beaten only by the National Lottery.

When you or someone you know needs help consider this, would you turn down their assistance because you knew nothing about the philosophy or practicalities of Freemasonry.......... I DIDNT THINK SO !

So think again, and get your facts completely straight before rushing to propagate your usual stereotype nonsense about those who quietly get on with the business of universal beneficents and charity.

Two freemasons on the thread so far then, dnhross.

Secrecy, money, power, influence, the police. a dangerous mix.

I'm sorry, I don't care how much they give to charity, it's too much like the buying of indulgences in the catholic church on the middle ages.

Go on, Tinners. If you're not a police officer what do you do for a living. Comments on other threads say it takes up a lot of your time. Magistrate, univerity academic, lawyer, civil servant.

I think one has been unrooted.

FWIW, I asked for a loan of some roof mounted cycle carriers for a Scotland trip a while back on here. I stuck in a few "recognised" Freemason code-phrases. And whaddya know, deluded was in with an offer within minutes. Definitely a dodgy handshake too. And he was limping. 😀

Police officers have trouble making real world friends, Ernie. The anonymity of a forum gives them the opportunity to become normal for part of their day, have a laugh and have a rant without having to worry about being judged by their professional standards.

Oh FFS. Thegreatape is one of my favourite posters on here - he combines common-sense with an excellent sense of humour, and, he is totally relaxed about discussing his job.

Yes I am aware that going out for a drink/night out in an inner-city area which might cover their patch when they're on duty can be problematic for a copper, and perhaps affect their social life for those reasons, but there is no reason to believe that it would be a problem on here.

As usual, a little bit like phone-ins on the radio where majority of contributions are from the ill-informed or hopelessly bigoted small fraction of our empty vessel like community.

Please people, take the time to research your subject matter before foisting your bar-room, playground, comic book opinions on the rest of the world.

FYI freemasonry is now the 2nd biggest charitable donator to Non-Masonic causes in the UK, beaten only by the National Lottery.

When you or someone you know needs help consider this, would you turn down their assistance because you knew nothing about the philosophy or practicalities of Freemasonry.......... I DIDNT THINK SO !

So think again, and get your facts completely straight before rushing to propagate your usual stereotype nonsense about those who quietly get on with the business of universal beneficents and charity.

To be fair, I am basing my opinion on the fact that...

all the ones I have ever met are complete tossers

My Dad's a "member" or whatever you want to call it. I think it's a bit weird but I suppose it's just a bit of fun and also he said it's very good for networking. Not my kind of thing at all.

So think again, and get your facts completely straight

Well, therein lies the problem doesn't it. You're all fairly reluctant to share all the facts aren't you

Don't muck around with Freemasons. Go right to the top. The Weatherfield Traders Association

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"recognised" Freemason code-phrases.

As a shadowy, corrupt and dodgy policeman I've been monitoring this thread with some interest - and taking notes 😈

You forgot the second part of my quote, Ernie, something you often do in a attempt to distort what people say. Here it is:

"Some choose to continue their role as police officers on the forums but some prefer the freedom of not doing so."

My gendarmes mates will have you in clink on a trumped up charge faster than who can say "je n'ai rien fait" should you ever come to France Deluded. 😈

take the time to research your subject matter

all over the net, everything you wish to know can be found so not really a secret organisation

Where do I get this information on this notoriously secret organisation?

You could try asking on a cycling forum

I've never seen the point in a social organisation which excludes women. Totally sad and pointless.

thanks Dr CM

all over the net, everything you wish to know can be found

As far as i know, all the FACTS about Masonry are widely available, both on the Internet and from the various official masonic websites.

If you bothered to take the time to genuinely look for FACTS then you would be as informed as any other.

Freemasons like members of any other club, society or association are subject to every Law of the Realm. Is it not ignorance that breeds these Urban Myths of getting off, perverting the cause of justice or just plain back scratching.

I think the point has been made earlier, in any association or club where people meet other people, there will always be a tendency for those people to seek service/products/assistance from those they know rather than strangers. Thats human nature, nothing to do with Freemasonry in particular !

Look into why Masonry became so esoteric in the first place. It wasnt hundreds of years ago, it happened as late as the 20th Century. Of course i dont expect that the Empty Vessels will have read this far, or could then be bothered to form an informed opinion through research, but there you go thats life !

Edukator - Member

You forgot the second part of my quote, Ernie, something you often do in a attempt to distort what people say.

😕 ? So ? You want the entire post quoted ? Anyone can read what you posted, I can't "distort" that.

So how does the bit that I missed :

[i]"Some choose to continue their role as police officers on the forums but some prefer the freedom of not doing so"

[/i] help your argument that "police officers have trouble making real world friends" and need to come on here "to become normal for part of their day" ?

That's what you said - or am I "distorting" what you're saying ?

Empty Vessels

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I think the point has been made earlier, in any association or club where people meet other people, there will always be a tendency for those people to seek service/products/assistance from those they know rather than strangers. Thats human nature, nothing to do with Freemasonry in particular !

The difference is in expectation isn't it. I don't join a cycle club with the expectation that i can do and receive a few favours

Of course i dont expect that the Empty Vessels will have read this far

I looked on a few websites could not find an application form where are these on the web?

Edukator - on the contrary, I come and browse this forum to avoid normality and enjoy the surreal for an hour or two 🙂

Some sort of weird pyramid scheme I reckon! 😀 tbh i can't say the masons bother me that much, they don't affect me so each to their own in that sense, not for me anyhow... the orange order on the other hand is a whole different story mind.

Just out of interest dnhross, if one is pretty damned sure that masonic influence is preventing a case going to court whom should one inform? The police (you could well be complaing to a mason), a magistrate (you could well be compalining to a mason), the directors of your organisation (almost certainly masons), the press (probably a mason), one's MP... . Or should one simply resign and go do something where masonic influence doesn't dominate?

With that thought I'll leave the masons to their perverse secret world, the police to their policing and Tinners to whatever he does do professionally.

OT but for what it's worth Edukator the vast majority of my 'real' mates are NOT police officers. I don't generally mix with other officers because you invariably end up talking shop and it's a job that can breed a certain mentality that on occasion I find boorish.

Not probably a big issue in the uk now.