[Closed] Freedom of Movement bill today

I still had the hope of living in the alps at some point - kind of a lifelong dream.

I know it's still going to be technically possible but it just got a lot harder to the point where it's very unlikely to ever happen.

Well, I am already in Sweden and should be able to apply for citizenship in April, but it does screw over my neice (was hoping to study in the Netherlands) and my nephew.

It does seem very petty though, taking away people's ability to work in 27+ other countries because they doh't like foreigners.

Priti Patel is a nasty, sneering, spiteful little thug.

I lost the right to live in 1 country , Brits lost that right for 27 countries .

For me the downside is that my wife is British and so are the kids . They can easily get double nationality but my eldest wants to go back to live in the UK and pre covid we always traveled quite a lot between the 2 countries .

Bit confused by OP post... have you never encountered a non-EU national working or retired/resident whilst in Europe? Why do you think it’ll no longer be possible? Italy has a specific permit for resident non-working foreigners I.e retired!! Bit more paperwork/expense but still doable 😀

Priti Patel is a nasty, sneering, spiteful little thug.

Yep pretty much.

Tip of the iceberg.

Banks, Putin, Rygel and all the other utter scum who orchestrated all this must be rubbing their hands together* over the current pandemic. It's a gift from the gods in terms of a distraction so they can get away with whatever we like.

(* - with hand gel)

What happens when the masses finally realise that freedom of movement wasn't the root cause of all our troubles in this country?

For my most Brexity friend who keeps saying to all and sundry: ‘if you don’t like it you can leave’

Funny how it never occurred to any of these ****s that so could they. And the country would be a better place for it.

What happens when the masses finally realise that freedom of movement wasn’t the root cause of all our troubles in this country?

It'll never happen. It'd mean admitting that they were wrong and I've more chance of growing a second willy.

So no passports for russian billionaires then?

Zilog, so we can just go and live in Italy working ‘retired’, or non-working retired and also get access to healthcare and benefits?

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anything is possible if you have enough money, you only have to look how many Russians have relocated to London. For the vast majority opportunities are denied and no way around it. But the English love their class system and you can't have the proles getting ideas above their station

Zilog, so we can just go and live in Italy working ‘retired’, or non-working retired and also get access to healthcare and benefits?

Non-EU citizens in Italy for over 90 days require a "stay permit" (Permesso di Soggiorno). This is a permit to stay in the country and not a residence card; it is not obligatory for a foreigner to have residency in Italy provided they have a valid stay permit and are therefore registered in the commune.

There are a variety of permits, each specific to individual circumstances. It is important that the permit type correlates with the intentions of the permit holder; if the applicant has a visa, the two must correlate (student, not working, employed and so on). Valid permit holders are entitled to the same benefits as nationals including access to schools, healthcare and social assistance.

Zilog, of my colleagues not born in EU, nearly all that I know of have a European passport through an ancestral route allowing them to live and work in EU. Usually Spanish, Italian or Irish. I can't think of any other non-EU group than the Turkish or Japanese who tend to come on temporary job-related visas.

The big barrier is jobs. Applying for a job with a non-eu/eea/Ch passport is akin the writing the application and then immediately putting in the bin. Young british people with a sense of adventure have lost out.

I moved to Belgium last year. I'm not sure of the effect yet, but the Belgian government and my local commune have been positive. They haven't announced how British residents will be handled. The biggest impact so far is that the dog's EU passport had my gf registered as the owner instead of me. Hopefully that's the only issue.

"So people can come here based on how cheaply they will work, not where they are from."
Barry Brexit ,there are a million slum dwellers around the world who will do your job for pence.
Well done.

It does seem very petty though, taking away people’s ability to work in 27+ other countries because they doh’t like foreigners.

I honestly don't think most brexiters realised that a) we all had freedom of movement or b) that it's going away for us too.

As for being able to move abroad post-Brexit - it's much much harder. You see for example Americans here but by and large they are either students or they were lucky enough to have a job that relocated them here. They don't have the RIGHT to be here, and most of their compatriots never get the chance.

People celebrating losing our rights & freedoms for no reason whatsoever

As well as adding costs & red tape to business here

I moved to Germany 10 years ago, a move that I don't believe would be possible now (after December) assuming the EU reciprocate the same requirements. I like most of my generation and still most from working class areas left school at 16, Moving to any country now is near impossible without a degree.

I never intended it to be a permanent move, but that seems more likely as the political zeitgeist moves with each successive election.

It is a con anyway, importing skilled workers is just to keep skilled wages and training expenses down, it demonstrates a complete failure of policy to create upward mobility. A sucsesful economy should need to welcome low skilled workers at the bottom of the ladder as those established in the society move up.

In 2000, at a bit of a loose end, me and three mates applied for some jobs in Belgium, hopped on a plane a few days later, and went to work there for a few months over the summer. Had an amazing time and learned a lot. No hassle. No visas. No hoops to jump through.

The fact that opportunity has been ripped away from future generations will never be forgiven by me.

I honestly don’t think most brexiters realised that a) we all had freedom of movement

More likely they thought it was mad wanting to go and work in a foreign country, therefore saw no downside to stopping anyone's right to do it. They'd never do, so why should anyone else.

It's a very sad day.
Gloating by that odious, useless, vindictive object we have as Home Secretary masquerading as a human being is truly disgusting.

In 2000, at a bit of a loose end, me and three mates applied for some jobs in Belgium, hopped on a plane a few days later, and went to work there for a few months over the summer. Had an amazing time and learned a lot. No hassle. No visas. No hoops to jump through.

In 2003 I was out of work (as a contractor), I answered an ad for a job in Finland. Interviewed, got the job, got a plane and started the following day. Just as well really because I needed a job, and it turned out to be one of the best experiences of my life. Did similar in Germany a few years later except I had a family (and a car) and we drove over. Less successful but more lucrative.

My kids won't be able to do that from now on - nor will I.

Weirdly I know a lot more folk living and working outside the EU than in. The main difference is most of those people can't come home. Well, with daft things like their families anyway.

This is the future; travel, see the world, meet the love of your life and decided between never coming home (ever, unless you have a spare £36k up your arse) or leaving them behind. Yeah, sounds great, we've just added another 26 countries to that list. Brilliant.

It's the shear arrogance in thinking low earners aren't skilled. It's now for the middle classes to worry. We're positively encouraging more middle class workers in to the country. Meanwhile your plumber will command what price he fancies and your Waitrose greens will be even more expensive when hard grafting Eastern Europeans tell you to pick your own in a freezing godforsaken Lincolnshire fen.

I honestly don’t think most brexiters realised that a) we all had freedom of movement or b) that it’s going away for us too.

TBH we were told we could have our cake and eat it. I mean, you'd have to have been stupid to believe that but...

And celebrating ending freedoms? Whatever next? Maybe celebrating into the night heated a lit by burning books written by dirty foreigners? Smash up a pizzeria or two? The possibilities are many.

A couple of things our Brexit voting fellows haven't considered:

1. Any trade deal with the Indian sub-continent or Asia will require a tranche of visas for their citizens, driving down the wages of the professional classes.

2 If you lose your well paid professional job you'll be into minimum wage jobs before you can say knife.

3 Minimum wage jobs will be British citizens only as immigrants will not be allowed in to do them.

We're basically done and you can forget any social mobility. If you don't have the right tie you're screwed.

Where can I buy this special tie to keep me out of an Asda uniform? Even if it's a pricey silk number that seems a good investment. Can it be worn as a cravat? I'm fond of that style, though it is a bit "European" so may be best avoided in future.

Yesterday I noticed VW people carrier with 'Immigration Enforcement' emblazoned on it turn into the Castle Donington freight hub. I can only imagine they were picking people up out of lorries. Another 'policy failure' in their terms but the press seem silent (maybe not a bad thing if it keeps the meatheads away).

‘Immigration Enforcement’

Did it look like a hastily done bit of clip art? Like some outsourcing firm had just got the gig, but didn't even know what to call themselves or have any kit - so had to nip up the road to Affordablecar.com and grab a second hand people carrier?

Talking of graphic design, that just made me look again at the Conservatives logo. It totally looks like someone defaced a picture of an oak tree. And hastily. If a big tree symbolises roots, growth, shelter, wisdom, sustainability, community, strength, conservation, etc...

... then I suppose a hastily erased version speaks volumes.

Yesterday I noticed VW people carrier with ‘Immigration Enforcement’ emblazoned on it turn into the Castle Donington freight hub. I can only imagine they were picking people up out of lorries

It's a long standing and quite big Home Office immigration base. Big recruitment drive 1-2 years ago iirc. Apparently linked to the fact that lorries that come over the Channel usually need a rest break round about M1 just 23-29, and that's when any human cargo gets off.

Good question Danny. I was sitting at the lights being amused by the irony of the banner. Then I noticed they were uniformed and where they were going. I suspect you might be right. Maybe a retroactive ban on tubby mingers would been more beneficial.

I honestly don’t think most brexiters realised that a) we all had freedom of movement or b) that it’s going away for us too.

I can't wait for the first post-covid Easyjet flights to land in Benidorm next year and all the pissed up Shaz and Kevs and the old gammons spill off the plane to be directed into the lengthening 'non EU Citizens' queue for a few hours, instead of just being waved through, as they would have been before they voted to end Freedom of Movement.

That'll no doubt be the EU's fault too.

Talking of graphic design, that just made me look again at the Conservatives logo. It totally looks like someone defaced a picture of an oak tree. And hastily. If a big tree symbolises roots, growth, shelter, wisdom, sustainability, community, strength, conservation, etc…

It was designed during David Camerons week-long hug-a-huskie 'Green' phase. At the time, the Tory grandees went mental, so they added in a Union Jack to placate them. Everything looks better with a union jack in there, after all. At the time I thought it was ill-advised, as it made them look like the BNP.

That, however, turned out to be pretty prothetic, as they now pretty much are the BNP

The original 'green' logo which lasted about 27 minutes, then the amended blue-rinse/retired sergeant-major approved version:

While having a Google for the Tory logo, this came up. It was written in April but is even more relevant and applicable today

Conservative Party logo to be replaced with picture of Priti Patel’s smirk

“Other than just writing ‘We’re a shower of ****s’ on the front of a Union flag, I can’t think of a more perfect way to depict the modern Tories.”

I never realised it was meant to be a tree, I though it was a union jack being revealed on a scratchcard, to appeal to the underclass voters.

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I never realised it was meant to be a tree, I though it was a union jack being revealed on a scratchcard, to appeal to the underclass voters.

It looks more like the union-Jack-scratchcard-thing is chundering some cheap lager onto a pavement. Which, again, is appropriate.

But no matter, I bet the 'consultant artist' that came up with that child's scribble trousered a small fortune for it.

1. Any trade deal with the Indian sub-continent or Asia will require a tranche of visas for their citizens, driving down the wages of the professional classes.

Maybe - but the balance of trade with India is strongly in the UK's favour so in theory we have a good negotiating position. In reality though it wouldn't surprise me if we did blindly accept certain requirements in the rush to get any sort of trade deal signed so a clueless government minister can tweet about it.

3 Minimum wage jobs will be British citizens only as immigrants will not be allowed in to do them.

I'm assuming there will be a way seasonal minimum-wage workers will be allowed in, surely not even the Tories are that stupid. Whether they'd still want to come here under whatever conditions it would be under though I don't know.

Sadly what could have been shown as the clear destructive economic impact of Brexit will likely be hidden (or can be blamed on) the impact of the pandemic so I can't see there being a reckoning any time soon.

Maybe – but the balance of trade with India is strongly in the UK’s favour so in theory we have a good negotiating position.

Modi has pretty much said that the one thing there has to be any any trade deal with India is FOM and without it, they’re not really interested.

I think it's a timely reminder that while the Yanks are now just starting to disentangle themselves from four years being governed by Alt-right, conspiracy driven racists, the UK is still under the control of our own local offshoot for a good long while yet. We next get to play at the democracy on or about May 2024 apparently...

So they've got lots of time to slowly kill off some national institutions, remove a few more of our rights and sell off stuff that's not nailed down to their mates, while they tell us it's all for our own good...

Still, blue passports...