[Closed] Free tea and coffee what is all the fuss about ?

I've a Waitrose card so qualify for the free coffee but have never so far used it (although my wife has a couple of times). From the pattern of usage I see in my local Waitrose (Greenwich) I'd guess the actual impact on local coffee houses is very close to zero, so would tend to agree with Cameron on this issue.

Given the context of the story - snobs complaining that it's "attracting the wrong sorts" (and exactly what's referred to in the BBC article), no Tory MP could ever disagree with it without getting ripped to shreds by the papers.

And from a standard Tory free market perspective, there would be no mileage in arguing against a business doing what it wants to attract customers.

My local Waitrose seems to enjoy a pretty much permanently full up coffee shop.

Today I was supporting a little cafe in a little village, definitely popular and good decent food.

Personally I never go near Starbucks, Costa etc and always prefer to support an independent.

I despair at the world though sometimes. 🙁

Sadly its competition and one business is forcing another to evolve or die. Its the society we live in and always was.

My mates dad was in the same predicament 30 years ago as an independent chemist when the supermarkets started putting chemist departments into their shops.

personally, Id prefer to have coffee in an independent shop than along side free loaders in Waitrose.

We can all make small changes so, for example, I haven't bought supermarket meat for years and prefer to use farm shops selling local produce.

Maybe the independents should give away a free basket of overpriced groceries with each tea and coffee they sell.

See how Waitrose likes it then.

finishthat - I am sorry to hear that. New Waitrose opened up near you then?

I find it's had the opposite effect.

Overpriced chain coffee shops put me off popping in for a coffee when out. Waitrose has reminded me it's nice to slow down for a few minutes and have a coffee so I tend to do it more now. If every other coffee is a free one then on average coffee costs me half as much as it used to so I drink more 🙂

Today I paid £1.30 for a mug of filter coffee. How much would that cost in Starbucks/Costa etc?

A cafe I used in Wiltshire charged 50p for a huge slab of bread pudding. It was delicious.

From the pattern of usage I see in my local Waitrose (Greenwich) I'd guess the actual impact on local coffee houses is very close to zero,

Well its threatening to put them out of business in Wokingham

Not really fair competition is it ?

Loss leader to attract some freeloaders basically .

They could offer free meat (one per customer) and put the local butcher out of business too , then move on to free broccoli .
It is not their intention to do this , it is just a lack of vision about the impact on a local trader .

People can only be educated if they want to be. The thing is though we're all affected by this and I think independent shops have to work that bit harder.

The thing is though we're all affected by this

I'm not.

I'm not.

How so?

How so?

In what way am I affected?

I have the free vouchers and pop into John Lewis and have a free brew every month so far, but it it's mainly at the insistence of a mate who wants to get free stuff.

I don't understand him, to be honest. I look at the cakes and choose something I like and then a hot drink I like. I usually end up with a fruity tart (a bit like me) and a mint tea (because these days I can't be bothered with much milk). He insists on choosing the most expensive drink ("luxury hot chocolate") and the most expensive cake so he can "get his money's worth". Even if he doesn't want it.

I like independents but you don't get that many in Nottingham, especially ones which aren't rammed full of people. I tried 'Hungry Pumpkin' the other week which was good.

Today I paid £1.30 for a mug of filter coffee. How much would that cost in Starbucks/Costa etc?

£1.40 iirc.

Anyway - it sucks if the little guy is out-competed, but what do you propose? Stopping this happening would require pretty significant government intervention in retail - so where does it stop? Ban H&M selling cheap clothes?

The free coffee in Waitrose isn't that great. If you want to stay in business then make better coffee. I've only been in a handful of independents where the coffee wasn't awful and the milk too hot. One of the reason Starbucks does well is that they train their staff on how to make lattes and cappucinos [i]properly[/i]. If you think this is a load of waffle and not important, then you are probably in the wrong business.

There's a Starbucks license in the basement at work. It's about 80p cheaper than the Starbucks a couple of streets away, but I always go to the real Starbucks. The coffee is the same in the license store but the staff always make the milk too hot and it burns the coffee.

I doubt Cameron has a clue about supermarkets or coffee shops I imagine he has a flunky to sort that stuff out for him

There's a waitrose near s don't go there is over priced and no amount of free tea or coffee would tempt me when there is also an excellent cafe down the road where us and out kids are greeted by name by the staff who are one of the main reasons we go to the high street

The point is, how many places have a Waitrose, compared to how many places have coffee shops?
Bath has a Waitrose, it also has numerous coffee shops, and a tea emporium, and umpteen cafés, and none appear to have suffered from what Waitrose is doing. I don't actually know where the next nearest Waitrose is that's in a town centre, tbh.
Bristol? Swindon? Dunno. Which means that very, very few independents are going to be affected by what one, relatively uncommon, posh, supermarket is doing.

One of the reason Starbucks does well is that they train their staff on how to make lattes and cappucinos properly

Today I paid £1.30 for a mug of filter coffee. How much would that cost in Starbucks/Costa etc?

In Pret, ninety-nine pennies.

Yeah? So how come the Starbucks in Chippenham closed two years ago, while others in town continue to do well, and one of the two in Bath closed around the same time.

How the f should I know? I drink there I don't run the bloody place!

Starbucks DOES do well though, as a company.

i thought this was going to be about blood donation (have to do it again).

How the f should I know? I drink there I don't run the bloody place!

Because you claim to know why Starbucks does well ?

I agree with CountZero it's unlikely to be because of their pisspoor coffee. I suspect their success is more down to marketing/image.

I prefer to support independent cafe but then they must brew proper coffee if they want to survive in this cut throat business.

The killer is the business rate that prevents people from experimenting with start ups.

Ok - thanks for picking me up on that. I think it's really contributing to the thread. I should have said 'I believe that one of the reasons Starbucks does well is that....'

Happier?

Hey molgrips, chill. 🙂

I should have said 'I believe that one of the reasons Starbucks does well is that....'

Happier?

And what about Starbucks avoidance of UK tax, that must help them hugely no ?

Free coffee with sugar and squirty cream - yummy!

The industrial waste lands of the north west (where I live) are thankfully light on Waitroses stores so it has no direct impact on me however I side with the posters who think Cameron is a knob and Waitrose are overpriced and lacking in marketing imagination.

posters who think Cameron is a knob

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I thought starbucks did terribly last year thats why they couldnt pay any tax in the UK, the poor dears

In Sydney there is a HUGE coffee culture - and 99% of the coffee shops are independents.

Starbucks does exist (there is maybe 5 of them in the whole of Sydney), but it's only frequented by brit/american tourists. There is also somewhere called "Gloria Jean's" which seems only to attract tramps.

The reason that Starbucks etc has failed to take off here, is because the coffee from the independent shops is significantly better. Seriously, it's amazing.

There is also an intangible piece about "experience"..... why the hell would I want to sit in a supermarket and drink a coffee? Not exactly a deluxe experience is it? Would I sit in a supermarket and drink a coffee, even if it was free? no, probably not.

As far as I can see - if the independents in the UK are a) offering better coffee, and b) offering a nicer experience/environment, then they have got nothing to worry about. If they can't offer better than a supermarket (not a very high bar), then they are probably not a very good coffee shop.

Don't mean to sound harsh - but there it is.

The free coffee in Waitrose isn't that great. If you want to stay in business then make better coffee. I've only been in a handful of independents where the coffee wasn't awful and the milk too hot. One of the reason Starbucks does well is that they train their staff on how to make lattes and cappucinos properly.

I'm inclined to agree here. If you are being put out of business by a machine that hands out coffee, then you need to try harder. However, as I have said before, Starbucks is dire, and really shouldn't be used as any sort of benchmark.

The coffee in our Waitrose is great (I only have plain coffee). it's free and it encourages me to use a shop that on the whole treats staff and customers well, pays taxes etc, rather than the local coffee chains. Can't see how this becomes a political issue.

The odd thing is that Waitrose has a pay cafe at one end and the free version at the other by the front door. The cafe always seems busy though.

Thank you Waitrose.

it's free and it encourages me to use a shop

Really ? You are more likely to shop in Waitrose because you can have free coffee there ? That's amazing, I never had you down as someone who could be swayed with an offer of free coffee 🙂

not even a coffee drinker but batfink has nailed it.

I think Melbourne has a reputation for being more coffee snobs too, with the saying if your serving bad coffee in the morning don't expect to be in business in the afternoon.

Not much on offer in the UK would make it over here in a major city, most wouldn't make it against Gloria Jeans which is as batfink says where you don't go.

the real giveaway is most people/cafe's in the UK can't even make a proper tea, charging somebody and putting a tea bag in a mug (or worse a leaky pot) is a sign of contempt.

Today I paid £1.30 for a mug of filter coffee. How much would that cost in Starbucks/Costa etc?

Yep, visits to Waitrose up as a result.

Then there is the income effect. The money I saved in Waitrose is spent on a nice cake in the coffee shop next door. I didn't use to bother with the cake but it seems such a waste of a nice cup not to have one and thanks to Waitrose the very nice lady now has a new customer. Her Bakewell Tart is magnificent and much better than the Waitrose version. Everyone's a winner.

The money I saved in Waitrose is spent on a nice cake in the coffee shop next door. I didn't use to bother with the cake....

You certainly like to count the pennies! And good for you........money doesn't grow on trees eh ?

I didn't think people still drank filter coffee....

People drink filter coffee all over the world. In some coffee shops, you can have a cup of filter coffee instead of the various espresso variants if you so wish. Some people prefer it - including, it seems from when I've visited, shedloads of French folk. Have you really missed this?

Your right Ernie it doesn't, and remember the old adage, look after the pennies.......

Today I paid £1.30 for a mug of filter coffee. How much would that cost in Starbucks/Costa etc?

I didn't think people still drank filter coffee....

Apparently "drip coffee" (as I understand you are now supposed to call it) is where it's at these days.

The simple solution is that the UK needs more hipsters. Everyone knows that hipsters make the best coffee. There is no way that I am letting somebody WITHOUT A BEARD OR TATTOOS make me a cup of coffee.

My local (I walk past 4 other places to go there): [img] [/img]

There's a nice restaurant near us that puts a free jug of iced water on the table. No need to buy an expensive bottle of the local spa water. It's an outrage....where's the address of my MP, this must be stopped.

It's always fun to ask for "a coffee" in a costa or Starbucks, it's as if such a drink never existed.

I didn't think people still drank filter coffee....

The burner, chemistry set ones are very funky 🙂

The coffee in our Waitrose is great

No it isn’t.
it will be over-roasted stale poor quality beans just like every other supermarket coffee. (apart from the Tesco owned Harris and Hoole where they had the wisdom to get outside advice from Taylor St Baristas Nick Tolley)

if free mediocre coffee drunk in a supermarket floats your boat then fill your boots, it will not harm high quality independents offering a quality product and better environment to drink in, it’s more likely to harm the big chains as they are offering neither a better product or a better environment apart from the chance of a seat.

I didn't think people still drank filter coffee....

Suits me. At home I use a filter coffee machine at breakfast. I'm really not twee. 🙂

No it isn’t.

Opps sorry, my tastes are very unsophisticated.

if free mediocre coffee drunk in a supermarket floats your boat

Yes guilty as charged, I even have instant occasionally but try to keep it quiet.

then fill your boots, it will not harm high quality independents offering a quality product and better environment to drink in, it’s more likely to harm the big chains as they are offering neither a better product or a better environment apart from the chance of a seat.

Exactly, what's the fuss about? Poor politics to stoop to this BS. Edit: actually no it's not, looking at google now, people lap this kind of stuff up (excuse the pun). These politicians know what floats our boats, hey?

Exactly, what's the fuss about? Poor politics to stoop to this BS

bloody hell...... is this [i]a consensus[/i] from STW?!!?

Could somebody please adopt a contrary position, or the world will literally stop on its axis

Exactly, what's the fuss about? Poor politics to stoop to this BS.

David Cameron says he cannot see what all the fuss is about over Waitrose's policy of offering customers with a loyalty card free tea and coffee.

Labour has raised concerns about the supermarket's promotion, claiming it is hurting independent traders nearby.

But asked about the issue on a visit to Greater Manchester, the prime minister said he did not know what "people were complaining about".

He was asked a question and answered it, looks like the concerns were already raised by labour. In this case it would have been as bad if he had given it a no comment.

Looks more like somebody is trying to stir (pun intended) this into more than it is, dropping a nice bit of "Out of touch" in there too.

Apparently "drip coffee" (as I understand you are now supposed to call it) is where it's at these days.

most hipster cafes in london have a brew bar, mostly chemex, filter and aeropress but very few have syphon though.
this summers coffee zeitgeist is going to be cold-brew, you heard it here first.

If there's one thing worse than a coffee bore it's.... well... er... give me a minute... there must be something...

Opps sorry, my tastes are very unsophisticated.

Well when you're counting the pennies you can't afford to be too fussy. Or sophisticated.

And it would be a very boring world if everyone was sophisticated.

I wonder if Chuka Umunna is considered to be as bad as CMD? There he was slapping down old Andy Sawford

“This is all, if you’ll excuse the pun, a bit of froth,” Mr Umunna said. “It doesn’t represent party policy, he is a constituency MP raising a local matter.

“Waitrose employs thousands of people and promotes the type of practices we want to promote. It is a great business.”
Asked if he had any problem with Waitrose providing free coffee, Mr Umunna said: “I don’t have any issue with that.”

Good for him IMO. And good for Waitrose.

Wow MrSmith is really excelling in his role this evening. 😆

i aim to inform and offend in equal measure 🙂

It's a different thing though, if I'm shopping for a few essentials at waitrose (main weekly shop is Aldi:)) then I'll pick up a free coffee as a kind of bonus treat. If I'm out with the family/riding then ill stop odd for a proper coffee at an independant/ main stream coffee shop to sit down, chat and enjoy it. Don't see that the free waitrose coffees impact local business significantly. Of course if I'm out with my mates then forgot coffee, it'll be a beer somewhere nice!

finishthat - Member

So the prime minister shows he really is in it with all of us .
Waitrose offer free tea and coffee and ruin the local independents and he cannot understand the problem....

So Dave and Sam , you run a small coffee shop on the high street, it keeps you , your wife and kids off benefits - maybe you can afford to hire a couple of part time staff.

Waitrose offer your customers your products for free.

3 months later the staff are laid off , next its the business rates or the mortgage ..

He is a complete sh|$t

you will be banning BOGOF's next

Waitrose pay UK Corporation Tax? Save your rants for Starbucks/ Amazon etc

But asked about the issue on a visit to Greater Manchester, the prime minister said he did not know what "people were complaining about".

i think the point that all of you (and Cameroooon) are missing here is that coffee is for gayers.

what is wrong with a proper cup of tea? hell, even earl grey with no milk is better than a cup of ****yfrappylatte any day of the week....

hate Starbuscks, Costa, CoffeeFellows with a passion. was in a CoffeeFellows on Sunday. we caused a disruption and were asked to leave. nothing to be prooud of perhaps, but in the context of this thread perhaps it was....

last time i was in the UK (Chelmsford, Essex for those that care/know the place) the GF and I went for a coffee (she is German and thinks she is continental/sophisticated). rather than go into Starbucks we went to a small independant place across the river.

she asked for a latte machiato, which, as any coffee [s]****er[/s] connoisseur knows is a shot of coffee poured into a tall glass of frothy milk. what she recieved was an espresso with a drop of froth/milk in it....

if the UK independants don't even know what sort of coffe it is meant to be serving then what hope do they have of competing against bigger (more professional?) chains?

but seriously? are you that shallow that you will go to waitrose rather than tesco because you get a free coffee? are you that cheap? do you have a job?

oh, and once again.... coffee is for gayers.

TEA FTW

and whatever happened to going to the pub at lunch?

and why does a cup of **** cost more than a pint of hmmmm....?

this being Schermany, when we have people round and ask if they want something to drink and ask for coffe are always surprised that i blunty refuse and offer them tea instead. what really pisses me off is when they don't drnk their tea.... tea bags don't grow on trees, you know.... nor do they come from the local supermartket (not a waitrose)... no, my mum has to send them over in parcels marked "RED CROSS AID" along with Marmite, Robinsons Marmelade and Hob Knobs.... not cheap.

kaffe ist für schwulen.... 🙂

but seriously? are you that shallow that you will go to waitrose rather than tesco because you get a free coffee? are you that cheap? do you have a job?

That's a bit of a cheap dig at THM 😐

6/10 Alpin you could have ragged on Facebook/twitter and blamed it all on Enduro too to show your truly too cool for school 😉

Wait till Waitrose hear about this:

I've yet to have a decent cup of coffee in any coffee shop, independent or otherwise, went to one of the profusion of independents in Bath, with a proper Hipster coffee snob reputation and was even more disappointed /overcharged than previously.

Make it yourself, if you want to be robbed go to a coffee shop. 😉

mikewsmith - Member

6/10 Alpin you could have ragged on Facebook/twitter and blamed it all on Enduro too to show your truly too cool for school

thanks for the marking, but i wasn't trying... i just don't get this fairly recent obsession with coffee...

bacon'n egg sandwich with [s]coffee[/s] tea.

shepherd's pie, beans and [s]coffee[/s] tea

[s]coffee[/s] tea and biscuits.

"ohhh... your mum's just died after being killed by a run away elephant. i'll put the kettle on and have a nice cup of [s]coffee[/s] tea."

doesn't work, does it? the british empire was built on tea. you know why the french failed in conquering the world? because they are a bunch of coffee ponces... too worried about their caffine.

same goes for the italians... bunch of flooosies. "eeeyyy... ciao (touches testicles. i wanna a cappucino (readjustes testicles)."

and since when can you not call a coffee drinker a waynker?

oh, and fuc&k all the ipsters with their ****yskinnychinos, beards and faux "this means something to me" ****y tatts.

British people pretending to enjoy coffee is, at best, hilarious.

Indulging your perversion in one of those faux American, overpriced chain 'Coffee Shops' is particularly sad, especially when done by the kind of unaware, self obsessed knobster who wouldn't go near a McDonalds and never wastes a chance to inform you of the fact.

Genetically and culturally, we're not suited to coffee.

Those of Italian or American descent have some excuse, but for everyone else it's an affectation, a rejection of one's birthright and a sure indication of a wrong 'un.
Try wearing boxing gloves to bed, have a cold bath and see a doctor.

And stay away from my daughters.

Rusty, you said it better than me, but then again I have drunk 4 beers and one bottle of red....

nice casual racism there Rusty & Alpin 🙂 Generalisations and stereotypes, you might be onto something if it wasn't for the turgid crap most people serve up as tea, designed for those with no taste buds, probably 20 a day smokers and the like.

Could somebody please adopt a contrary position, or the world will literally stop on its axis

Excellent work from Alpin and RS - balance is restored to the universe.

Top quality trolling

mikewsmith - Member

nice casual racism there Rusty

Where?
Please, point it out.

The majority of the coffee being served by the cafes in GeordieLand tend to be rather hot ash water like with blunt taste. I mean you get one shot of coffee with so much water there is hardly coffee taste at all. I will be bringing some coffee beans in soon to sell to the local cafe so let's see if people will like them. Also some tea ...

Oh ya ... surprise surprise the Starbuck coffee actually is better than most in the GeordieLand and I hardly drink coffee at Starbuck at all (only a few times just to compare).

🙄

Indeed, most coffee shops serve horrible coffee. Including waitrose, Costa and SB,and MANY independents. Anyone good at their job is losing nothing, only those who try to compete with mediocrity.

Where?
Please, point it out.

It's a bit like saying all trolls live under bridges.

A little mild xenophobia and a possibly a slight generalisation, but racism? 🙂
I am wounded beyond measure.
Are the British a distinct race?
Of course not.

I live in a bungalow.
With an upstairs.

as serious as your serious comments 😉

I know mate.
🙂

Lots of little or no imagination here either , its no big thing in somewhere the size of Manchester , it is in small towns .
Interesting that folks mention legislation and "banning" when its
actually just about being a good business which Waitrose normally does a reasonable job of.
On a lighter note would Tesco dare make the same offer ?
Can you imagine the results (not commercial)

Whats a Waitrose? Is it like an Asda for people who marketing departments refer to as 'aspirational '? I looked it up on the internets, and it just came up with this…

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Think I need some help from a coffee snob. I've had some nice cups of coffee in various places* but don't really like watered down espresso. If I just want a drink I usually ask for filter coffee. Cappuchinos and Lattes are acceptable but not something I want to drink everytime.

Is there an acceptable thirst quenching drink, should I order an espresso and a glass of water or a nice pot of tea?

*Vietnamese coffee with the hints of chocolate is amazing but my stash has run out and it is a bit pricey to go get some more.

Have any of the coffee snobs tried this place...

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They're everywhere. Not just in scenic southern market towns. Best coffee anywhere to my (admittedly uneducated) palette. Its cheaper because people who do manual jobs, in vans with tracksuits go there. And women in leggings. I know, I know… how frightful. And there are primary colours, and children covered in tomato ketchup, and stuff. And there aren't many people with beards, staring with furrowed brows into the screen of a Macbook Pro.

But on the plus side, they do sausage and egg McMuffins which when combined with the above liquid are the Krytonite of hangover cures. 😀