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So I heard something this evening down the pub and had to go along with it as I have no point of reference (eu citizen/domicile, no kids).... It sounded like a Daily Mail headline, but here goes....
The results of kids who receive free school meals do not go toward the school's league table results.
I wanted to argue that it's tosh, but didn't as I'm nowhere near being in the loop on such things.
Had a Google, but found nothing.
Yay or nay?
Whoever told you that was either ignorant or bullshitting. Free School Meals / Pupil Premium kids are counted in every school's results. They even get their own subcategory to judge how well (results-wise at least) school's support their most deprived students.
For context, the school I teach in has 45% Pupil Premium students (this is high) so I understand how the system treats them pretty well.
From a UK viewpoint at least - not sure about Germany?
Cheers...
What are Pupil Premium kids?
I'm talking about the UK. Kids in Germany don't get school meals... They don't even have a canteen in the schools because school finishes at 13:00.
I'm hoping ignorance rather than bigoted, but the longer I spend on this sacred isle the harder I'm finding it to assume such....
What trajectory is this nation currently on? Empathy, like apathy is at zero, it seems.
What trajectory is this nation currently on? Empathy, like apathy is at zero, it seems.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/calls-mount-free-school-meal-28136199
Pupil premium can mean a variety of things.
But broadly is either free school meals (family income is under a certain threshold), child in care, or a child that has been in care (fostered or adopted).
Forces children might also count (not sure?)
Have you a link to a reputable source?
Edit... re the Premium Pupils being included in results.
Feel I need to debunk this next time I see them with some proof.
It's crap like this that gets spouted and taken at face value that devides people.
Have you a link to a reputable source?
Feel I need to debunk this next time I see them with some proof.
I am a teacher and can 100% guarantee that PP/disadvantaged pupil's results count towards school's overall results.
If you hear it then shout bullcrap, as that's what it is.
It's bollocks.
Have you a link to a reputable source?
I'm sat next to a Teacher.
Pupil Premium is related to a bunch of things, household income, social care etc and linked to free school meals too.
In other league table news, private schools go big or go home (no worries counting free school meals here…)
One internal message from a senior leader advised staff to “work to ensure the students have a good day, in the way we frame the assessments”, adding: “That way, every student has the potential to get the grade they could get, rather than the ones they would get.”
It depends on the league table.
A popular (Scottish) one published in newspapers ranks schools based on the proportion of pupils who achieve five or more National 5 passes and five or more Highers. They also look at the proportion gaining two or more Advanced Highers.
This takes no account of free school dinners etc.
There is also - as above - one based on Free School Meals / Pupil Premium kids, but that's not good click-bait.
Yeah, since Brexit.......
I blame it for everything.
Hmm, I am not a teacher but realtives are and they report that some of the best teaching they have ever been involved in was at schools with very high level of free school meals, ie deprived areas.
Not that it has any bearing on this but I have a lot of admiration for teachers and people that generally serve whilst on a crappy state wage. Shit job, shit money and everyone thinks they can do better.
goes….
The results of kids who receive free school meals do not go toward the school’s league table results.
It’s quite easy to download this stuff. Maybe it’s a bit harder to understand. But the default is all students are included.
https://www.find-school-performance-data.service.gov.uk/download-data
Some one, some where may have made a league table without free school means kids. But that’s not what the government does.
Students from groups such as those that get pupil premium or free school meals are one of educations massive catch 22s.
Schools with these students generally get less good results. The teachers often need to work harder with greater challenges. But the schools are often branded by league tables or ofsted as less good. So why would anyone want to teach in these schools? More stress, less respect for the same money
So should we expect less good results from these schools and students. Praise teachers for below the national average results. Well that doesn’t work either. We can’t create a structure that expects these students to fail. Builds in lower expectations. That’s terrible for the countries and families.
FYI I teach in a sixth form college. I have taught in schools. But eventually schools turned out not to be good for me
Don’t bother arguing with the prick.
Had a Google, but found nothing.
You're trying to prove the absence of something - how to cite 'nothing' as proof? Its up to your pal to cite his sources - he's the one making the claim.
Its up to your pal to cite his sources – he’s the one making the claim.
Correct. And a facebook post is not a reliable source.
Its up to your pal to cite his sources
Calling him my pal is pushing it somewhat.... Just one of the locals at the pub I visit whenever I'm over in the UK.
It sounded like BS and I'm glad to know it is. Cheers.
Soon a non issue in primary schools anyway as the government are gradually rolling out universal free school meals for all primary school kids over next 2 years
https://www.gov.wales/universal-primary-free-school-meals-upfsm
That link is for Wales.
Yes...Wales, that's where I live.
Oh no...Wait a minute am I guilty of assuming that what happens in my part of these 4 nations also applies to the people who live in the other 3?
In this nation. The headlines are pretty raw data. 5of5 that's 5 passes of 5 sat be that N5 or H can go down to 3of3.
It's ridiculous and forces schools down silly pathways. SIMD data is not taken into account for that although there are returns schools have to make which is SIMD dependent which will affect how much additional funding can be accessed to "close the attainment gap". In fact we about to be inspected on what we do for SIMD 1&2 pupils, which could massively affect our funding.
The German gymnasium I used to organise an exchange with has a canteen and some of the kids got free school meals. There's been some debate recently about whether all German kids should get free school meals. The meals were pretty good, I had a few.
Feel I need to debunk this next time I see them with some proof.
Burdon of proof. He's making the statement, he needs to back it up otherwise the only rebuttal you need is "no it isn't." Ask for detail, "is that just England or the whole of the UK? Primary or secondary school? What about universities?" Etc etc.
You could tell him you heard that the results of kids who have ginger hair do not go toward the school’s league table results. It's an equally valid claim.