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A genuine question and not intended to troll-
If renewable energy is as effective as has been suggested earlier in this thread, why aren't the Government's mates making a fortune out of that instead of O&G?
Dong Energy, Engie and Statoil all have O&G and Wind interests.
All those worried about fracking in the north west are you fussed about Morecombe Bay or Liverpool Bay offshore developments or you happy to ignore them?
If renewable energy is as effective as has been suggested earlier in this thread, why aren't the Government's mates making a fortune out of that instead of O&G?
With the exception of onshore wind, renewable energy is largely a developing technology. This means organisations are reluctant to invest heavily in it as they can't guarantee making money for their shareholders out of it. To get around this, government tools such as subsidies are used to incentivise investment, for example guaranteeing a price electricity can be sold at for ten years with the taxpayer/electricity user bridging the gap (ie subsidising) between market price and this guaranteed price.
There have been many problems largely involving lack of government commitment, eg incentive schemes are dropped and funding for technology development has been dropped. This creates further uncertainty in private investment. In Scotland we were leading the world in wave power development but scotgov pulled funding after a cabinet reshuffle who had different ideas from Mr Salmond. Same thing with onshore wind - UK was at forefront of development many decades ago, it was poo pooed and dropped and now is a multi billion dollar industry elsewhere in the world.
O&G has been around for many decades and is a thoroughly established industry - our entire society is now built around it for our energy and derived products such as plastics and drugs, there will be a demand for it until the end of the human race. Because it is so established, it's very quick to make money out of it, if you are in a position to get the stuff out the ground. The length of time it's been around means people who have vested interest in it and have made a lot of money out of it are high up in the circles of power in every country, as money and power go hand in hand.
I recommend this series if you didn't see it first time round http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02gzf5l/episodes/guide
northern powerhouse
Dong Energy, Engie and Statoil all have O&G and Wind interests.All those worried about fracking in the north west are you fussed about Morecombe Bay or Liverpool Bay offshore developments or you happy to ignore them?
That's three and Statoil are pretty niche.
How could offshore developments affect people living onshore like fracking will? I do worry about the mermen though.
They are not fracking there so the comparison is not a good oneAll those worried about fracking in the north west are you fussed about Morecombe Bay or Liverpool Bay offshore developments or you happy to ignore them?
captainsasquatch - Member
Coal mining caused masses more earthquakes than fracking does, if that worries you.Is that because there are more coal mines?
We have fracking sites in the South Downs where I live.
So it's not just confined to the Northern Counties.That's alright then, if two wrongs make a right.
Top Tip.
USE LESS FUNKING ENERGY!
No, certainly not.
The UK needs more energy, post Brexit we will have to get it from somewhere cheaper than the inflated prices that will occur post the Chop.
I, I am not alone in this feeling. I will be long dead and gone soon enough, I have no kids but I have nephews which complicates the issue of feeling awful for them. But they'll grow into a period of energy coming from somewhere in the U.K. They'll be great full that it is cheap and the side effects/consequences of fracking in the U.K. is a small price to pay for being able to turn the central heating on whenever they feel like it.
I will not use less energy before I pop my clogs, I expect I'll start to use more.
They'll be great full that it is cheap and the side effects/consequences of fracking in the U.K. is a small price to pay for being able to turn the central heating on whenever they feel like it.
The side effect of fracking is continued climate change, mass extinction and sea level rise, which will become pretty devastating in their lifetime.
But, well, if that's a small price to pay crack on 🙄
I will not use less energy before I pop my clogs, I expect I'll start to use more.
Well, you should use less.
Houses should be built so that they don't need central heating.
We don't get warm enough weather to warrant air con, but some folks seem to think we need it. 🙄
Too many electronic devices and devices left on standby for no reason.
Too much waste through packaging and kit that is thrown away and not repaired, too much junk is bought.
We are smart enough to use less, but we don't. I expect to use less energy as time goes by, it saddens me that you believe the opposite.
Nah, too late for me and my generation, Baby boomers just want to turn the heating on, have hot water and go to Waitrose,
Don't confuse me with all your Ecology and Climate Change ideals, our priorities are way different to yours.
To counter the fracking, I think more nuclear energy is required.
Don't confuse me with all your Ecology and Climate Change ideals, our priorities are way different to yours.
So, basically, you don't give a shit about the future of the planet? Climate change will devastate the planet, as I'm sure if you've read even the smallest bit of actual science on the matter you'll agree with.
Yes, our priorities are very different. I care about things being alright for the future, you obviously don't.
Hang on, you're trolling. Whatever, carry on.
Pretty sure the local community, and I will be working within sight of the sites, really ought to have a say here and they said Frack off
And that's the trouble, no one likes anything being built near them, not affordable housing, not railway lines, not hydro electric schemes, not even wind farms! If you left all the decisions up to the local community then we'd build practically nothing of any strategic importance. Stuff has to go somewhere!
Nah, too late for me and my generation, Baby boomers just want to turn the heating on, have hot water and go to Waitrose,
That just about sums it up doesn't it.
Well, sorry but yes.
I'm not trolling, I have no reason to.
Plenty of folk think similar, that's why nothing ever gets done. Shirley you realise that.
I applaud your views and sentiments, but I'll continue to have the CH on whilst sitting in a t-shirt and shorts.
Soz.
You are not sorry so why lie as well as not GAS?
And that's why I'd like to see the devloping world who are affected most by this, cross the borders and eat you in your sleep....
I applaud your views and sentiments, but I'll continue to have the CH on whilst sitting in a t-shirt and shorts.
Your children will be so proud of you
[url= https://tompride.wordpress.com/2016/10/06/tory-minister-sajid-javid-grants-fracking-rights-after-receiving-funds-from-pro-fracking-interests/ ]Well well, Who'da thunk it?[/url]
I applaud your views and sentiments, but I'll continue to have the CH on whilst sitting in a t-shirt and shorts.
If some of the money currently poured into fossil fuel subsidies was instead used to further the widespread installation of better insulation and energy efficiency measures you could still be sat there in shorts while using a tiny fraction of the energy.
Don't confuse me with all your Ecology and Climate Change ideals, our priorities are way different to yours.
It'd be worth considering them "necessities", rather than ideals
I applaud your views and sentiments, but I'll continue to have the CH on whilst sitting in a t-shirt and shorts.
Which, frankly, makes you a dickhead, and apparently not a very bright one at that
zippykona - Member
OK we now have a new form of fuel to extract from our land.
How about we sell it to a foreign country then buy it back for twice the price?
Previously I've called Tony Blair a weapons grade *.
Mrs May ...step forward you are an evil, weapons grade *. * you you stupid * * and those stupid * retards you call your **** government.
Seconded!
Apart from heating homes is only 30% of energy consumption. So yes a bit of insulation will help but it isn'tgoing to make huge difference
The side effect of fracking is continued climate change, mass extinction and sea level rise, which will become pretty devastating in their lifetime.
The effect is the same whether we burn UK gas or foreign gas. So that isn't an argument against fracking. The UK is going to be burning gas for many years to come. I'd prefer the security of supply from UK gas.
Maybe lower prices than otherwise, maybe not, but the cost of finding out will fall to private companies. Let them go for it.
Double post
pffft, I see your 'hundreds' and raise you South of central belt Scotland.
Plus the north, that lovely barren view north of Dunblane on the A9 was improved immeasurably with the addition of a wind farm on the horizon.
We have had our fun with fossil fuels, and we are in a very fortunate position as a country where we could set the world an example of a successful country moving towards a reduced dependence on fossil fuels.
As said, shale gas (or ethane) isn't used as a fuel, it's used in the manufacture of plastics. Unless you propose that we replace everything with corn starch I'm not sure what the alternative is.
combined with batteries to smooth out the peaks and troughs
How big a battery are you proposing here? Currently Cruachan can run for 22h but uses more power than it generates, we're also repeatedly falling short on grid input.
If I was dictator I'd also be telling them scientists to stop dicking about with Fusion and get it working already
Good job they're well on the road to that then isn't it?
When the CEGB was around, it took strategic decisions about investments in power generation despite short-term costs for long term stability. Since privatisation, with the exception of far too many gas-fired power stations that have greatly reduced the resilience of our energy infrastructure while maximising short-term profits for their owners, there's been bugger all investment in the long term future of energy generation in the UK. The problems we now face in terms of generation can be easily attributed by the failure of the market to provide a cohesive long term plan in lieu of short term shareholder profits.
Holy crap, someone else who actually gets it!
In Scotland we were leading the world in wave power development but scotgov pulled funding after a cabinet reshuffle who had different ideas from Mr Salmond.
No, you got that wrong, Westmonster innit?
Apart from heating homes is only 30% of energy consumption. So yes a bit of insulation will help but it isn'tgoing to make huge difference
Er? What? You do realise that with effective insulation you can design a house (in our climate) to use below 15 kWh/m² [b]per year[/b]. They are now going for sub ten. And yes, this can be retrofitted in a lot of cases.
How many people on this thread complaining about fracking have a £400 plus gas bill? You are the problem. I had the gas cut off thanks to:
Insulation: R7 roof, R3.5 walls, R3 floor, triple glazing, doubled back door.
Solar thermal
PV (production is double consumption with two in the house)
LED lighting
Efficient appliances
I could have spent the money on flights to dismal holiday locations, landfill, flash cars... . I'm sure some of those moaning about fracking have enough money to buy all the tat and invest in their home, but don't. Most of the work I did will pay for itself in less than ten years, the triple glazing has the longest financial return period (probably never) but meant the central heating could be ripped out, and cuts noise levels.
If there's a problem don't be a part of it.
If you are self-employed think what you can do in your business too, and if you are employed make encouraging noises to your employer.
No, you got that wrong, Westmonster innit?
No, the funding was from Scottish gov...
As said, shale gas (or ethane) isn't used as a fuel, it's used in the manufacture of plastics.
You're thinking of Ineos who are importing ethane for chemical industry. Ethane is extracted from shale gas, shale gas isn't just ethane that can only be used in chemical manufacturing...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37898602
I predict we'll see fracking in Scotland in the near future.