[Closed] Foxxy Knoxy

But foxxy

She's hot.

Not sure I could date a convicted murderer though 🙁

until the appeal....

I'd expect her to live in the US for a long while yet. When people start going on about bad legal systems further afield the EU could probably do with having a look closer to home.

Guilty for now
Not sure how the high court will rule.

Danger sex?

Not sure I could date a convicted murderer though

Depends how's desperate I was. I'm already partial to a danger w.......

Not much more risk surely.

Seems a right verdict to me. Chance of her spending time in an Italian jail is somewhat less than zero though.

Chances of her being extradited? Effectively nil (see [i]Cavalese Cable Car Disaster)[/i]

Blimey, really?? 🙄

I'm not really up to date on it. I followed the original trial with interest, and I understand they've been reviewing the evidence or whatever...

So basically, she's in America, the Italian courts have looked again at the evidence and decided that she actually is guilty, along with her friend Raphael. But unless the US forcefully send her back to Italy she'll not serve her sentence? Is that the jist of it?

Could be talking bollox here (not followed the trial closely), but is the case against her not a bit flimsy to support a full monty murder charge? No convincing motive, previous good character, no physical evidence at all tying her to the murder (AFAIK?) plus the guy who actually did it is already locked up!
Her account seems bogus, but really you'd need some sort of irrefutable physical evidence to carry a guilty verdict ISTM.

I thought all you needed was a jury tivdecide you were guilty .

[quote=eddiebaby ]I thought all you needed was a jury tivdecide you were guilty .
Nah - you need to get everyone on the internet to agree it as well - even if they haven't heard all of the evidence. In fact, I heard they were going to do away with juries and just let the Daily Mail do a readers poll.

Danger sex?

I would, but I'd hide the kitchen knives just in case

Could be talking bollox here (not followed the trial closely), but is the case against her not a bit flimsy to support a full monty murder charge? No convincing motive, previous good character, no physical evidence at all tying her to the murder (AFAIK?) plus the guy who actually did it is already locked up!
Her account seems bogus, but really you'd need some sort of irrefutable physical evidence to carry a guilty verdict ISTM.

Also the guy who admitted to the murder got a reduced sentence for naming Knox and Sollecito as being involved.

Whilst the verdict is all the very well, the real news is her new hairstyle - its awful.

I would, but then crazy women are my style...

I'm guessing she won't return to Italy. Would this verdict (if not overturned...again...in a higher court) limit her travelling within, say, the EU? (Just a question out of curiosity.)

DD: I imagine so - an European Arrest Warrant would most probably be used.

Arse! She promised she'd pop in to say hello. 🙁

Without wanting to sound whiny, I know at least a couple of people who use the forum regularly knew Meredith kircher so maybe try to keep it classy folks.

Noted, apologies

Well enough to know how to spell her name correctly? 😉

So will she be locked up in the US or waltzing around like the queen of sheeba?

So will she be locked up or waltzing around like the queen of sheeba?

Are they the only two options available to her?

No idea.

I love the tittle of this thread.

As for guilty or not I have no idea, either way I wouldn't.

Edit: Had my fair share of unbalanced girl friends and really don't need another person emailing me a picture of her crying to show me how upset she is. True story.

I would however be interested to see what happens if she is found guilty and the Italian court seeks extradition.

Very dodgy police work.

I feel for Meredith's family. What a horrible rollercoaster with one of the (guilty of something but what part exactly ?) sat freely on chatshows etc.

Foxy? I wouldn't. Shes got a 'look'. Slightly low-IQ. Obviously she isnt but she isnt right.

Irony and lack of self awareness!

I thought all you needed was a jury to decide you were guilty

In many countries, as in Italy, it is decided by judges who are ultimately appointed by the state and there is a degree of puzzlement over the idea of having your guilt decided by your ( amateur ) peers.

As for the verdict, I am somewhat conflicted - you have Knox who comes across as a wrong'un on one side, and some sloppy police work on the other. Throw in the story of Rudy Guede and you have a complete mess.

[i]I feel for Meredith's family.[/i]

This! Not being able to have closure and it all being dragged through the media again must be absolutely soul destoying.

Genius the Washington senator Maria Cantwell going on about having serious questions about the Italian justice system, when her state has 8 people on death row.

I love the tittle of this thread.

It's the Daily Wail headline.

Evidence, uncertain.
Dubious stories.
Who knows what happened.

I guess here it might have been thrown out on grounds of insufficient evidence.

But, it's not here, it's in Italy.

Anyway, she'll stay in the states, they won't extradite, she'll be effectively free, but unable to travel to a number of countries.

Which is an interesting substory in its own right, ie why exactly would the US not allow extradition of citizens.

[i]I guess here it might have been thrown out on grounds of insufficient evidence.[/i]

I've not seen the evidence, have you?

Edit: Had my fair share of unbalanced girl friends and really don't need another person emailing me a picture of her crying to show me how upset she is. True story.

I had one of those once! Funniest picture ever... Wish I'd saved it.

So her ex, not much mention of him, is he now serving his 25 years?

[i]is he now serving his 25 years? [/i]

on parole waiting during appeal process but has had to surrender passport.

I thought all you needed was a jury tivdecide you were guilty .

I don't think there was a jury in this case, but if there was, why are they right and the previous jury that found her innocent wrong?

why exactly would the US not allow extradition of citizens.

Anyway - Italian justice: is it "best of three", or what?

Does seem to me that the Italian Judges were/have been weighed somewhat by the tide of Italian Public Opinion, and that alone has sparked them into revisiting the case.
Whilst I have no idea about the particulars in the case itself, other than the TV and Media attention it was/has been given, I can only see this as a good step forward to reconciling the Kercher family with something called Justice for thier child.
Awful situation this.
It does remain a moot point as to whether the USA will send back to Italy Ms Knox, I do wonder what they will be thinking this morning after the announcement that they could be holding a Murderess who they have been courting on the TV circuit for some time now.
As for Ms Knox's Ex, well that looks pretty cut and dried for him, back to prison for the best part of his life now it seems. Does make you wonder what will be going through his mind whilst Ms Knox appears to be escaping incarseration, must be torture enough that.
😕

I think we all know the real reason she doesn't want to end up back in Italy….

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Doesn't strike me as the most secure verdict I've ever seen. Obama would have to agree to extradition, and I can't see him doing that, treaty or no treaty. All the judges have done is set up a diplomatic row.

Italy has enough extradition treaties with other countries to seriously limit her future holiday options, though.

All the judges have done is set up a diplomatic row.

Or to look at it another way, they've convicted a murderer (in their minds, due to evidence blah blah blah). An American judge refusing an extradition request would be setting up the diplomatic row.

Can't help but feel that if she were ugly she'd be bundled onto the first plane back to Italy.

Are you suggesting pretty, young (at the time of the murder), white girl involved in some crime with salacious details is some sort of media draw? Surely not.

Are you suggesting pretty, young (at the time of the murder), white girl involved in some crime with salacious details is some sort of media draw? Surely not.

Any kind of crime with salacious details is a media draw, mix in attractive students and forn parts you're onto a winner. But media draw or not, I'm sure the "foxxy" bit will help when avoiding being extradited.

Seems old Raffa has tried to escape. Reports of him being arrested at the border with Slovenia.

This makes interesting reading about the evidence against her

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/The_Evidence

The Italian judicial system moves at a glacial pace at best. Look at Berlusconi, the chances of these 2 ever serving time imho is zero.

The thing about this case is that the forensics are ambiguous, no smoking gun as such, but the person who can clear it all up is Rudy Goede. He pleaded guilty, but AFAIK has never said he acted alone under oath.

The forensic evidence seems pretty damning to me.

Reports of him being arrested at the border with Slovenia

Really?? I heard he was 24 miles from the border and accompanied the police voluntarily

Reports of him being arrested at the border with Slovenia
Really?? I heard he was 24 miles from the border and accompanied the police voluntarily

There must be at least 3 or him then, because he was also found near the Austrian boarder, according to the BBC 🙂

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25978340

Yes, 24 miles from the Austrian border according to the BBC 8)

The whole situation is very sad. I doubt we'll ever really know what happened unless someone confesses, but I don't see how a safe conviction can be made given the intense media coverage and judgement and some of the police behaviour. Not having access to a lawyer or representative in the 1st few days of being questioned and the theory of why it happened totally changing would put enough reasonable doubt in my mind not to convict. If it were in Scotland I'd have guessed a not proven verdict.

He may have been exactly 24 miles from both the Austrian and Slovenian boarders.

Austrian and Slovenian boarders.

Why weren't they at school?

"If it were in Scotland I'd have guessed a not proven verdict"

Which roughly translated into English means-

"We know you're guilty but we're having trouble assembling sufficient evidence to actually make it stick in front of the court".

So, hold on a second... Why's she in the US now? I remember her being in clink for the first trial, so how did she get out? Also, I thought people would have had to sat banged up if they were guilty but awaiting appeal.

Is that not the case in Italy.

"We know you're guilty but we're having trouble assembling sufficient evidence to actually make it stick in front of the court".

Yup. Or "we know you're guilty, but didn't follow the procedures so half our evidence isnt admissible".

The media circus that's followed the case, including the interview on Newsnight yesterday, have all made me feel a bit uncomfortable. I really don't think something of this importance should be played out in the press like it has been.

[quote=willard ]So, hold on a second... Why's she in the US now? I remember her being in clink for the first trial, so how did she get out? Also, I thought people would have had to sat banged up if they were guilty but awaiting appeal.
Is that not the case in Italy.

Won appeal (procedural irregularities, not found innocent). Went home. Wrote book that got a $1.5M advance (but VERY low sales). Retrial found her guilty again. In theory her and the bloke are appealing again so would be free to wander around but not leave Italy (if she was there but she isn't).

Yup. Or "we know you're guilty, but didn't follow the procedures so half our evidence isnt admissible".

It's even worse, the evidence was admissible in court. But one court of appeals illogically decided that it wasn't.

It's even worse, the evidence was admissible in court. But one court of appeals illogically decided that it wasn't.

Not sure what you're saying here? You think the appeals court was wrong and the first appeal should of been turn down?

From everything I've read they read the evidence the way I would of done.

She did do it, though.

Guilty.

Strangely, the Italians let her go though as she won her appeal. They should live with that decision I'm afraid.