[Closed] Found out today that a (now ex) friend is a Nazi sympathiser..............

Is his mental health ok?

Is his mental health ok?

Yes, intelligent guy and worryingly well read on a number of pretty controversial subjects.

He has spent the last few years smoking tons of weed and living in a caravan.

Combining this with conspiracy theory and white supremacy websites seems to be a pretty bad combination.

Edit: had a chat with a mate who works with him and apparently he doesn't bring it up at work, but when he's had a few spliffs and you are with him alone.........

It's not just a matter of being politically-incorrect; that really is weird. I'm with wanmankylung: is he alright?

i was about to ask what his weed/drug intake was like. sounds like he could be having some ill effects 😐

but then, what can you do?

Is his mental health ok?

Yes, intelligent guy and worryingly well read on a number of pretty controversial subjects.

He has spent the last few years smoking tons of weed and living in a caravan.

i was about to ask what his weed/drug intake was like. sounds like he could be having some ill effects

but then, what can you do?

He has always been a pot head and been able to function fine, travels round the world for work etc

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*sorry*

Not saying your friend is right to sympathise with Nazis but Churchill isn't quite the hero he is often made out to be.

"I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes...[It] would spread a lively terror."

"I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion."

This hatred killed. To give just one, major, example, in 1943 a famine broke out in Bengal, caused – as the Nobel Prize-winning economist Amartya Sen has proved – by the imperial policies of the British. Up to 3 million people starved to death while British officials begged Churchill to direct food supplies to the region. He bluntly refused. He raged that it was their own fault for "breeding like rabbits". At other times, he said the plague was "merrily" culling the population.

Skeletal, half-dead people were streaming into the cities and dying on the streets, but Churchill – to the astonishment of his staff – had only jeers for them.

but then, what can you do?

Maybe get together with a few mates who are all worried and have a sort of "intervention", tell him you care about him but this is a bit much.

Not saying your friend is right to sympathise with Nazis but Churchill isn't quite the hero he is often made out to be.

I agree, but it was the suggestion that Hitler was some kind of hero and Churchill was somehow only in it for money and having his name in the history books.

Maybe get together with a few mates who are all worried and have a sort of "intervention", tell him you care about him but this is a bit much.

He made the choice to detach himself from the majority of people and friends have tried to get him to integrate more, but he doesn't give a shit. Works, earns good money, chooses to live away from people and has started coming out with some pretty awful things. I think that ship has sailed.

whats his login on here?

whats his login on here?

Must resist...........

Well done you. On a scale of one to nine, what was your flounce rating?

Well done you. On a scale of one to nine, what was your flounce rating?

For calling someone a **** for sympathising with Hitler? Not sure I get you.

enfht - Member
Well done you. On a scale of one to nine, what was your flounce rating?

Not much to say other than recommend he stay off the internet and cut the weed. Living in isolation with internet for primary company can make people sociopathic and more inclined to look for outlandish misanthropic 'evidence' to rationalise/excuse their own shrinking empathy/humanity. Have seen it happen. Intervention might be worth it. My BIL withdrew, became paranoid, full of conspiracy theory and misanthropy. Finally put a bullet in his own brain shortly after announcing it on FB. Terrible waste of a previously intelligent character. We discovered (after his death) that certain of his sociopathic internet junkie 'friends' knew of his plans and that they encouraged him to do it. I found it hollowing and grievously depressing to know such people exist. Not saying this is what your friend has planned, but withdrawing and spouting such shite means he isn't currently right in the head and no mistake.

@grum I thought you'd post Churchill's views on Islam

OP one interesting facet of Islamic extremist converts is they are often well educated and radicalised very quickly, some converting to Islam almost in order to become radicals. This fellow sounds the same. Bizarre and rather scary.

kudos100 - Member

Is his mental health ok?

Yes, intelligent guy and worryingly well read on a number of pretty controversial subjects.

He has spent the last few years smoking tons of weed and living in a caravan.

His brain is fried ...

He might be "rational" but only to the information that fits into his state of mind.

He is practically walking shell that can be programmed at will by whoever he encountered with persuasive arguments.

I bet he will shift from one extreme to another and will be highly dangerous if his thought is infiltrated by some radicals that are hell bound on using him as their front line zombie attacker.

Watch him closely or from afar but keep a close eye because you don't want him to walk into a crowded area to detonate himself or spraying everyone with lead.

Looks like you have encountered a zombie.

edit: as for hero ... no such thing. A person is only hero when s/he fits your purpose. Hero to you but villain to others vice versa. To have a hero you must have villain(s) as they cannot exist without one or the other.

Not much to say other than recommend he stay off the internet and cut the weed. Living in isolation with internet for primary company can make people sociopathic and more inclined to look for outlandish misanthropic 'evidence' to rationalise/excuse their own shrinking empathy/humanity. Have seen it happen. Intervention might be worth it. My BIL withdrew, became paranoid, full of conspiracy theory and misanthropy. Finally put a bullet in his own brain shortly after announcing it on FB. Terrible waste of a previously intelligent character. We discovered (after his death) that certain of his sociopathic internet junkie 'friends' knew of his plans and that they encouraged him to do it. I found it hollowing and grievously depressing to know such people exist. Not saying this is what your friend has planned, but withdrawing and spouting such shite means he isn't currently right in the head and no mistake.

He is certainly a misanthrope and is angry at the world for his shortcomings.

I don't think he is in any danger of committing suicide or anything like that, but it is pretty worrying when someone who is/was intelligent starts reading a load of propaganda that makes no sense, having been open minded and being brought up in the UK.

Much more concerning than the morons who read the sun/mail or stuff of facebook and start shouting the immigrants are invading!!

I'm not having anything more to do with him after our exchange (have only seen him a couple of times over the last few years), but am baffled by his 180 shift in beliefs, as he was a pretty smart guy previously.

Just really strange to see someone you chatted with about Hip Hop, different cultures and how he was influenced by what he saw as black role models, on a facebook page full of Neo Nazis and Jew haters, spouting Nazi propaganda and sympathising with Hitler......

Then again I don't understand the English who run off to fight with Isis (according to my mate, he also thinks Isis is fake and is being controlled by the CIA)

Add a layer of tinfoil to his stahlhelm (defence against CIA mind control) and make him watch episodes of Jerry Springer. After watching a bunch of that show, it is utterly impossible to argue that the white race is superior to anything! 😉

Dope.

The prevailing view that dope doesn't cause any harm is wrong, it's just that it's harder to measure than sone drugs. Throw in isolation and the internet and boom.

Your 'friend' is living proof.

And my friend is dead proof.

Very interesting reading this thread, a couple of mates who have been heavily into dope are now conspiracy theory nuts. Never made the connection before now.

Turned a good mate incredibly paranoid, bad stuff really.

but am baffled by his 180 shift in beliefs, as he was a pretty smart guy previously.

It's a difficult thing for us leftie intellectuals to accept, but sometimes people with these kinds of views aren't stupid. They can rationalise and argue their points really well.

I don't think it's about smarts, I think it's about empathy. You have to meet people from different countries and cultures. There's a strong inverse correlation between levels of immigration and fear of immigrants, for example.

Intelligent people are better at conspiracy theories. Makes sense of you think about it.

I'm sure he'll look back and cringe one day but I think the primary message you should be sending is "the drugs are turning your brain to mush mate".

Living in isolation with internet for primary company can make people sociopathic and more inclined to look for outlandish misanthropic 'evidence' to rationalise/excuse their own shrinking empathy/humanity.

Indeed, close relative in the same situation, now stopped the weed, and made some better choices with regards to overall health, stopping the fags, coffeee and so on) now seeing something of the person that they used to be

I think the primary message you should be sending is "the drugs are turning your brain to mush mate".

^^this.

This has happened to a few old friends and workmates over the years, robbed them of their ambition and turned them into nobs.

Yeah it's weird but I have also read stuff showing that intelligent people make better internal arguments with the logical bits of their brain to justify the stuff the 'monkey brain' is coming out with.

Dope.
The prevailing view that dope doesn't cause any harm is wrong, it's just that it's harder to measure than sone drugs. Throw in isolation and the internet and boom.
Your 'friend' is living proof.

Think it depends on the person and the dope. Some people are more prone to psychosis than others. Also different strains of weed have different levels of active compounds that have very different effects, most of the time most people don't know what they're getting. Certainly the 'super-skunk' type weed that used to be pretty much the only thing available when I was a student is not great for most people.

I doubt taking any drug daily is particularly great but some people do genuinely find certain strains of medicinal use.

Skunk paranoia is setting in this will end in tears

Reefer madness innit

The man has strange views and he smokes weed its really not as causal or as simplistic as you are suggesting as not all weed smokers end up as Nazi sympathisers and I would imagine not many Nazis are smoking weed and listening to Bob Marley.

The social isolationist position suggests a lack of empathy with his fellow human and its not much a of a leap from that to being a Nazi /white supremacist but , tbh, we are all just guessing.

He has spent the last few years smoking tons of weed and living in a caravan.

His mental health is definitely not OK!

Kudos,

Is your friend Ex UK Rapper Tommy Evans?

The wisdom of a tribe can be lost in a generation...

its really not as causal or as simplistic as you are suggesting as not all weed smokers end up as Nazi sympathisers and I would imagine not many Nazis are smoking weed and listening to Bob Marley.

I can only speak for myself, but I think the content of his wacky theories is sort of irrelevant - the important bit is that they are hugely misguided and likely to be fuelled by the heavy drug use.

You just repeated what I said folk were saying. smoking weed fueled his theories
Its unlikely this is true
ITs still highly unlikely we will find a link between Nazi white supremacist views [ which are odious but not necessarily a mental health issue ] and smoking weed and if you do it's more likely to be negative.

IMHO fewer pot heads will be Nazi racists as they are not obvious bed fellows

This is just folks knees jerking - it may be a factor bit we really cannot be sure and most pot heads dont end up as caravan dwelling neo Nazis

I didn't see anyone saying weed turns you into a Nazi though?

it is pretty worrying when someone who is/was intelligent starts reading a load of propaganda that makes no sense, having been open minded and being brought up in the UK.

All of us are exposed to propoganda and it's much more effective when you don't recognise it. It helps to create beliefs and attitudes that could also be considered warped and irrational.

Then again I don't understand the English who run off to fight with Isis (according to my mate, he also thinks Isis is fake and is being controlled by the CIA)

I think this is an example. Do you also struggle to understand those English who run off to bomb and shoot people in foreign lands on behalf of the UK military? Are they extremists?

ITs still highly unlikely we will find a link between Nazi white supremacist views [ which are odious but not necessarily a mental health issue ] and smoking weed and if you do it's more likely to be negative.

that's a straw man.

What people are saying is that there's a link between smoking tonnes of weed on a long-term basis and, er, being mental.

Of course there's anecdotal evidence either way - i smoked weed every night for years and still held down a job perfectly happily - but on the other hand, everyone i know who genuinely believes the big mad conspiracy theories (lizards, 9/11, chemtrails etc) is a massive toker and usually throws in some other substances too.

problem is though that when someone's still broadly functioning - doing their job every day etc - it's hard to tell them that they're ****ed up and need to sort their head out. All you can really do is be there for them if/when it all falls to pieces. If they haven't completely alienated you by then...

What people are saying is that there's a link between smoking tonnes of weed on a long-term basis and, er, being mental.

yep. Just that in this one "mental" case he has accidental become a Nazi sympathiser.

"It's not just a matter of being politically-incorrect; that really is weird. I'm with wanmankylung: is he alright?"

I'm with wanmankylung, the evidence that the Nazi's were 'bad' is pretty overwhelming. Failure to comprehend that suggests a mental issue, not just an amusing slightly distorted worldview.

Or verbal trolling. 😀

I dont think David Icke events are full of pot heads but I have never been and I dont know a pot head [ I do know one person who likes him and has been and she is a clean living homeopathic taking tree hugger who wont do any "chemicals"] who does not think he is an idiot. All you are saying is you know lots of pot heads and some of them have daft views.
On this thread folk really are saying smoking weed fuels his views so its not a straw man- possibly exaggerating to take the mick a bit - but they are saying it caused his mental health issue- not even sure being a nazi is a mental health issue either

IMHO it's just not that simple - its not even been proved that it cause mental health issues - though its pretty clear that the younger you start the greater the risk - bit there is no smoking gun [ ie causal agent] and their is no proven link.

We are putting 2 + 2 together and making 5.

IMHO fewer pot heads will be Nazi racists as they are not obvious bed fellows

I don't think you can make that assumption TBH, despite that well known media trope of what a "pot head" is, I don't think there's a "type". They can and do inhabit all walks of life.

He has spent the last few years smoking tons of weed and living in a caravan.

He doesn't live near High Wycombe does he? 😀

Like any other drug; alcohol, paracetamol, thc
Your genes will determine how your body reacts to and processes the compound

Some people can handle it all fine, some people will turn into charles manson

@grum I thought you'd post Churchill's views on Islam

OP one interesting facet of Islamic extremist converts is they are often well educated and radicalised very quickly, some converting to Islam almost in order to become radicals. This fellow sounds the same. Bizarre and rather scary.

what the f*** does this have to do with the OP's post??? this could be said for all the extremist Jews running around Israel....we all know that you're a zionist propagandist and you'll use any opportunity to show your islamophobia...but lets try to keep things on topic

OP you need to stop your friend smoking weed....its messing with his head

Agreed Kimbers and Gonzy[ but folk seem to think that often it best to just ignore his MO]- and we cannot be sure it caused anything here.

I am not saying it is risk free, its not, but we cannot just go he smokes weed he has idiotic view therefore he must be mentally ill due to weed

Internet diagnosis by non experts [ myself included] are not very reliable.

What was surprising is this person used to be [b]open minded[/b] and was a decent bloke.

The irony is he also used to be a rapper and was [b]interested in lots of different cultures[/b] and ideas.

Unsurprisingly it didn't go well after he started [b]defending the Jew hating, white supremacist[/b] website that posted the original article.

So, essentially his thought crime is one of being open minded and defending other peoples right to have a different opinion and culture (that happens to be one you disagree with) whilst you and your friends decide that:

He made the choice to detach himself from the majority of people and friends have tried to get him to integrate more

I am not saying it is risk free, its not, but we cannot just go he smokes weed he has idiotic view therefore he must be mentally ill due to weed

No, but from the info provided so far it is probably the most likely scenario as heavy weed use in young people is associated with a lot of mental health problems.

seems to me that the one who is unwilling to be open minded and respect different cultures might be the OP and his mates!

Does it really? [i]Really[/i]?

I think that comment says more about you than the OP if so.

Junkyard actually has a point here. He could well be smoking shedloads of weed because he's mentally ill, rather than the other way around. It's pointless arguing about how much the drug use is a symptom or a cause unless you're actually a doctor looking to treat the patient, which no-one here is.

Bottom line is your mate is sick, OP and he needs some help. Doesn't have to come from you of course, but that's the situation. Very sad.

@gonzy, @grum made some negative comments about Churchill and quoted a few examples. I was surprised given he was trying to say negative stuff about Churchill that he didn't quote Churchills views and comments on Islam and in particular the religions subjugation of women. Churchill was very fond of North Africa and of Arabs (in particular Morocco) but was very critical of Islam.

On the broader discussion, it's quite common for extremists to be intelligent and it's quite wrong and indeed very dangerous to assume all "Nazi" sympathisers are stupid. Sadly I know a few people who have suffered psychosis due to heavy smoking of weed, it does very strange things to your brain and would IMO certainly be a factor here.

A bit off topic but I don't want yet another thread Jihadi John has been eradicated. It makes sense now The government where looking to authorise air strikes in Syria as they clearly had intelligence as to where he was and wanted to use this as leverage in Parliament. As it was we got the Americans to carry out the operation.

Ninfan its scrapping the barrel to defend Jew hating white supremacist Nazi views as an example of open mindedness that we should all tolerate lest we be a bit mean to them.

No one believes this, not even you, not even on the most trolly of your days on here do you think that

ninfan trolled So, essentially his thought crime is one of being open minded and defending other peoples right to have a different opinion and culture

Nazism isn't an opinion or culture anybody should be defending. But then you knew that, and as usual you're just being contrarian for the sake of it.

Ninfan its scrapping the barrel to defend Jew hating white supremacist Nazi views as an example of open mindedness that we should all tolerate lest we be a bit mean to them.

No one believes this, not even you, not even on the most trolly of your days on here do you think that

He's got as much of a right to think it as anyone else has to think that white people are all devils and that Britain should have sharia law

Unless he's out there inciting people to attack and abuse minorities, then he's not breaking any laws - why shouldn't he be allowed to believe that Hitler was a nice guy?

Nazism isn't an opinion or culture anybody should be defending.

You really don't get this freedom of speech thing, do you?

Yes lets all feed the troll 🙄

You really don't get this freedom of speech thing, do you?

you're free to spout whatever shit you like ninfan, you'll get no debate from me, just don't expect to have me help you [u]defend[/u] the notion of Nazism.

just don't expect to have me help you defend the notion of Nazism.

Again, you really don't get it

Its not about what [u]I[/u] believe or defend, its about this blokes right to believe or defend whatever [u]he[/u] wants within the boundaries of the law - why are you lot so intolerant of people thinking differently?

Is it OK for us to be concerned for your well being ninfan?

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Nein

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Its not about what I believe or defend, its about this blokes right to believe or defend whatever he wants within the boundaries of the law - why are you lot so intolerant of people thinking differently?

Like any other drug; alcohol, paracetamol, thc
Your genes will determine how your body reacts to and processes the compound

Some people can handle it all fine, some people will turn into charles manson

that last bit is a bit extreme but its a very good point overall. i used to smoke it heavily when i was younger. between 4 of us we could go through a massive amount of skunk in a week easily.

we've all turned out okish...the only long term effects its had on me is that its made me a bit forgetful at times...
smoking weed isnt a good thing at all....it does have an adverse effect...in most cases the effects arent too bad but in some extreme cases it can lead to psychosis and paranoia....but this all depends on how the users mental state is before use.
if the OP's friend doesnt have any mental health issues then the effects of smoking weed wont be having a severe impact on him, but what it will be doing is putting his mind at ease and more open to suggestibility....and while reading up on the stuff that he has been doing whilst stoned he is filling his mind with pro-nazi propaganda.
therefore the drugs arent doing him any good as they are leaving him open to attack from the bullshit propaganda he is reading up on

I'd agree that the dope has made him paranoid and more susceptible to certain ideas, but I'm not convinced he is mentally ill. I could be wrong about this, but IMO he chose to isolate himself as he was angry with the world.

He holds down a job fine, has travelled to different parts of the world for work etc

He used to rap about social injustice and the problems of the country from a liberal stance and always used music as an outlet for his frustration with things.

When he stopped making music he pretty much disappeared. Chose to live in a caravan and work out in the countryside rather than living in the city.

Then again I don't understand the English who run off to fight with Isis (according to my mate, he also thinks Isis is fake and is being controlled by the CIA)

I think this is an example. Do you also struggle to understand those English who run off to bomb and shoot people in foreign lands on behalf of the UK military? Are they extremists?

Yes I do.

I get the feeling that the guy was pretty angry at society and also pissed off that he didn't make it in music, but it seems bizarre that he would start spouting white supremacy Nazi sympathising propaganda, as this was the kind of stuff he couldn't stand ten years ago and spoke out against racism and propaganda through rapping.

I'm sure without the massive pot intake he'd probably calm down somewhat.

I think it's simplistic to blame the pot 😈 (must resist a kettle joke)
It's part of a downward spiral of anger against society which, in people I've come across, the pot is a symptom not a cause.
So the causes will be complex; perhaps the greater Americanisation of our society which means people buy into the American Dream and become angry and dejected when they don't achieve it.
Being manly he's retreated into his cave where he can control everything and only has to hear what he wants and no-one will challenge his worldview and crucially he doesn't have to examine his behaviour because of challenges to his worldview.

I think it's simplistic to blame the pot (must resist a kettle joke)
It's part of a downward spiral of anger against society which, in people I've come across, the pot is a symptom not a cause.
So the causes will be complex; perhaps the greater Americanisation of our society which means people buy into the American Dream and become angry and dejected when they don't achieve it.
Being manly he's retreated into his cave where he can control everything and only has to hear what he wants and no-one will challenge his worldview and crucially he doesn't have to examine his behaviour because of challenges to his worldview.

I'm sure this is part of it. Not achieving his dream and his disillusionment with society, has had a pretty negative effect.

I challenged him to post what he said and the article on his FB page, as he said he wasn't scared of being called a racist as "it is an empty word"

He didn't do it, as his friends would tear him a new one if everyone found out about the crap he has be spouting.

Before he had people to chat to and share opinions with, now he doesn't and obviously spends far too much time on hateful websites with other angry people looking for someone to blame.

t's part of a downward spiral of anger against society which, in people I've come across, the pot is a symptom not a cause.
So the causes will be complex; perhaps the greater Americanisation of our society which means people buy into the American Dream and become angry and dejected when they don't achieve it.
Being manly he's retreated into his cave where he can control everything and only has to hear what he wants and no-one will challenge his worldview and crucially he doesn't have to examine his behaviour because of challenges to his worldview.

wow 😯

obviously spends far too much time on hateful websites with other angry people looking for someone to blame.

Hey, don't start dragging STW into this!

I just scanned the title of this and thought it said 'My friend has turned into a New Wave Synthesiser"

with, now he doesn't and obviously spends far too much time on hateful websites with other angry people looking for someone to blame

Yep. So-called Nazis/race supremacists are just sociopaths/bullies who half-believe that they now have a valid excuse to bully someone. It's a simple feeback loop that they feel excuses rotten thoughts and behaviours. Bully casts self as victim. Usually starts later in life for those with fragile egos that have taken a beating for one reason or another. He'll be looking for someone to take all this anger out on, whether it be online, irl, self-inflicted or towards someone else.

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Coincidentally, the last person I knew that lived in a caravan smoking tons of weed did actually turn into a new wave synthesiser! 🙂