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Links no longer underlined (or styled with a different colour) on tablet in portrait.
Don’t get any buttons at all
Some people do, some don't. I'm not sure why but it's definitely not a local issue, it's something to do with the user accounts.
Cheers Cougar
What buttons should we have then?
Pop a screenshot up.
I see those buttons. I don’t see any way to jump to the last post in a thread, should there be one? Also how can you jump to threads you’ve posted in? I can see my posts under “replies created” but can’t see any thread titles or links to go to the actual thread or post? Ta
I don’t see any way to jump to the last post in a thread
Clicking on the Freshness link.
how can you jump to threads you’ve posted in?
I don't think you can as yet.
Clicking on the freshness in the topic view takes you to the last post in a thread.
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 16px; background-color: #eeeeee;">Clicking on the freshness in the topic view </span>
What's this freshness thing then?
Edit: submit button doesn't seem too responsive in edge on Android
It's all.....a bit naff isn't it.
'nuff respek to teh modz for putting on a brave face about this. Though why they're bothering, or perhaps having to, is beyond me
Oh we know it’s disappointing but with us helping report broken parts will help get them sorted. Of all the things to bother me a few feature not working on here is way down the scale.
People bitching about stuff not working on a free forum clearly need to get some perspective. I'm not complaining at all just flagging stuff that is weird for me.
What’s this freshness thing then?
Ah, I see - it's on the right in desktop mode
edit: I also see that you need to do the quote thing manually and 'keep a log of this edit' is still default to on
Liking it though -hope you get to escape the chaos over the weekend
[i]... free forum[/i]
It's only a free forum for the freeloaders... Some of us help keep this place going by PAYING. Don't know if you're aware of this.
Thing that's bugging me, is some of the stuff that's been lost was useful and the bits in place are just rubbish! Like, without customisations, why are they like that anyway? Here some examples:
Freshness: Formerly, you hovered the mouse over the Freshness time and it showed you the last poster, so you could see if someone's replied. Now, it shows the name of the thread, which is bleeding obvious cos it's just over to the left.
Activity: One click showed you your threads you've been involved in. Now, takes about 4 clicks to get to Engagements, which is just a random list! Some of which you might have posted in.
Not moaning or complaining, just hoping things like this get fixed really.
Killscript plugin does'nt work....and there are some right ########s on here.
^^^ this has been amusing the hell out of a few of us. How about just scrolling past what you don’t want to read
Loss of ability to see which threads you’ve posted in is a big loss
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 16px; background-color: #eeeeee;">People bitching about stuff not working on a free forum clearly need to get some perspective. </span>
The forum isn't provided from the goodness of the owners' hearts.
LOLZ, you PAY for this?
LOLZ, you PAY for this?
There are customers and goods. If you're not paying, you're not the customer...
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You can no longer find your replies (used to be in "forum activity") instead there's "Forum Replies Created" which just has a list of replies and <span style="text-decoration: underline;">no way to get back to the original thread!!!</span>
Even more remarkably, there's a "reply" link, which does nothing. And a "report" button that, well, maybe it does something, maybe it doesn't. It no longer brings up the little report dialog box.
It's completely shambolic.
It makes even Brexit look good.
"Some of us help keep this place going by PAYING."
All of us keep it going by providing free content, page imprints etc for advertising revenue.
Ooooohhhh!!! How very exciting! Squabbling over who pays and who isn't and who is more valuable! I'm on a series catch up binge of GoT at the mo and this 'I'm more important than yow' behaviour and attitude is disturbingly like that.
Its a shame the update doesn't have a way of removing members...
FFS grow up.
Post and page count on chat forum post page isn't keeping up with reality either. My previous post was number 601, page16 but the main page was indicating 598 posts in total and page 15.
Safari on iOS 10.3.3
And page reload after posting this took me back to the previous page.
Sorry if this has already been mentioned but I can’t seem to be able to create a new thread.
Temper temper, slackalice
When I start writing a reply the first few letters of everything on the left side of the page disappear off the edge of the screen (Android mobile) and swiping does not bring it back over and the start of the submit button is missing.
Just going to try something
Ahh - thats interesting.
When you write a post the Tags box is already filled out with the tags already on that thread. If I delete them as part of the post then they disappear from the top of the post
Stop that, it’s silly
Time to get a new web developer?
This must be the worst forum design ever. I'm in quite a number of different cycle/kayak/motorbike forums, and the update makes this one the worst of the lot.
Great if you like seeing HTML tags and over sized quotes. Rubbish if you actually want to read it.
The iceburg is just to big.
Has the traffic gone down much?
It's surprising how boring a forum gets without people cotributing to it.
We are important , we are STW.
Another FYI:Weird double post thing with same time-stamp.
Good question zokes
Given that our chosen sport is probably 15 months past it’s actual peak and 12 months before this is realised, and that owners of related businesses would be looking to exit or adapt, it does seem odd to screw up an important revenue stream in advance.
There is a long list of active forums that simply die very quickly and never recover. It would be a great shame is STW became just another entry on the list
hope it gets sorted out.
Ooooohhhh!!! How very exciting! Squabbling over who pays and who isn’t and who is more valuable! I’m on a series catch up binge of GoT at the mo and this ‘I’m more important than yow’ behaviour and attitude is disturbingly like that.
The point though is that there was a suggestion that this forum is free, so we shouldn't complain - when that's clearly not the case (FWIW I agree with zokes, non-subscribers still pay, just in a different way).
The only trouble with the current tag system is how ephemeral it is - blink and you miss the gems.
Can I just make a constructive suggestion to the devs and Mark here - I've alluded to it a few times, but it seems it needs saying out loud? Can we just go back to the old version for a week or so whilst you sort out all the bugs in the update - now you've done your load testing which you apparently had to inflict alpha testing on us for. I'm assuming that is possible to do, because any sensible update where you can't revert back you fix most of the bugs first before going live.
I agree but go back to the 2016 version where you could zoom on old Apple devices.
Not to flog a dead horse, will leave that to the devs, but why has this allegedly important bug reporting thread been unstickied? If I remember right, the same thing happened the last time we had one of these.
Not to say that history is repeating, but well a certain pattern has emerged over the last couple of years.
Wonderful quote just below your comment:
[quote=Mark ]I need to give a careful answer to that. Singletrack is a huge beast where the slightest change can make a dramatic an costly difference to us and so it needs to be done very carefully.
How does that fit in with JFDI?
I'm sure Mark has me down as being incredibly negative about the site, but the thing is I work with IT and currently working on the release of a new system which involves a DB, membership records, payment systems and interconnected stuff, which is business critical. Sure it's nowhere near as big or complex a DB as the STW forum, but ISTM that's even less reason to do things with updates here I certainly won't be doing with our release (though the obvious difference is that in my case the customer can just get rid of us if we don't make a success of the transition).
I wonder if this works... (ooh, I've found an interesting bug!)
Ouch.
I am sorry the forum is ****ed.
I wonder what the traffic figures are like since the update, every time I come back i just get frustrated and don't want to stay.
1) Posting order has gone haywire, I am no longer the OP on lots of my own posts
2) The last poster thing has gone wrong in more ways than one.
3) You cannot easily navigate back to the threads you have posted on - in replies created I just can't reply or click to bring me back to the thread, so I have to scroll through the forum to find the relevant thread (luckily this one was near the top)
4) edit time is down to a few mins at most
I know you lot hate bolshy tossers like me so maybe its a ploy, but you would be better off just blocking/banning us..
<span style="font-size: 12.8px;">It is no longer a nice place, I liked it as it was, can we have it back please?</span>
At least some things remain....
Not to flog a dead horse, will leave that to the devs, but why has this allegedly important bug reporting thread been unstickied? If I remember right, the same thing happened the last time we had one of these.
I know I'm only a paying customer, and therefore unimportant in the grand scheme of things, but would someone, staff or mod, like to explain why this thread isn't a sticky topic? You know - actually be honest and provide a viable explanation?
but would someone, staff or mod like to explain why this thread isn’t a sticky topic?
physician heal thyself (dude)
Tip:
The issue with all the HTML <span> etc stuff is because when you copy text from a webpage and paste into here it includes all the HTML formatting. If you right click and go 'paste and match style' this means it keeps the style of the place into which you are pasting i.e. this box, and you don't get the formatting stuff.
Not a long term solution mind, it needs fixing at some point of course.
I'm guessing they know it'll be posted on frequently enough to negate the need
Molie: on an iPad.
That's a LOT of white space to show only 5 forum topics
Something is weird with the classified forum.
I tried to add new photos and announce a price drop by replying to an existing thread I created but nothing happened. I tried to post the reply again and it was rejected due to being a duplicate!
<<span style="text-decoration: underline;">p style="margin: 10px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 0.8rem; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; line-height: 1.2em; color: #444444; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"></span>physician heal thyself (dude)</p>
Shhh! He's in character.
Oscar winning performance, I might add. 🏆
Hoping that things settles down in the end.
At the moment using Firefox it's a complete ball ache.
None of the feature buttons are there when you post, it's just blank.
Why was it unstuck?
Of course I’ll answer that.
I don’t know sorry.
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I’m guessing they know it’ll be posted on frequently enough to negate the need
ROFLOFLOFLOFLOFL.
You could post a jihadi recruitment video featuring beheadings and it wouldn't get closed down as quickly as a thread about forum problems.
Mention the necessary adblockers and the mods will move so quickly they're verging on time travel.
Of course, suggest a sticky about the forum software infecting people's devices and all of a sudden it's like the post is invisible! :scratchchin:
Can we just go back to the old version for a week or so whilst you sort out all the bugs in the update
Seeing as we're left to speculate, I'd imagine the reason they've finally decided to update the forum is to maintain compatibility with the virus ridden ad spamming package they've chosen to burden you with.
I'm guessing they're on contract to provide a certain amount of human traffic each day/week/month hence unleashing this complete abortion.
:biggrin:
😀
Mark, et al.,
The tone of this thread is turning to despair. Please, please, please don't let the site go the way of all flesh. It's too good a community to see disperse due to due to technical difficulties.
I have already been part of one such forum:
https://web.archive.org/web/20080725060129/http://www.mtb-wales.com:80/
Which now looks like this: http://www.mtb-wales.com/
It was a build-up of frustration on members' part, until the forum was a bit like
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🙁
They will fix but they have limited resources and it’s the weekend so they will be trying to relax.
Keep reporting any new issues you spot please so we can add them to the list.
Ta
Drac - assuming it was you re-applying the "sticky" - thanks.
Would it be possible to collate all of the known bugs into one page so that the same thing doesn't keep getting re-posted (or share the current list)?
No problem.
Hmmm! I suppose that could be addded to the front page Scotroutes but it’ll have to wait until I’m at home, busy trying to grab some lunch. My other posts was while I was dropping the kids off at the pool.
They will fix but they have limited resources and it’s the weekend so they will be trying to relax.
I wish I had a job where if part of our business was broken I got to have a weekend!
My other posts was while I was dropping the kids off at the pool.
Eww. TMI.
Me to MrOvershoot but I don’t.
Hi. I've tried three times to post a response to gecko76's thread about pining for the fjords: http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/pining-for-the-fiords-norway-content/
I've composed a full reply, with links and a photo, three times now. It shows up in preview but then just disappears when I submit it. I have managed to get a short, text-only post on there, but no sign of the others.
thanks
It's nice to have back traditional bits of the forum like the new page glitch when posts get deleted :
(I should clarify that there's no sarcasm involved in this post - I genuinely find it amusing)
Drac Me to MrOvershoot but I don’t.
Sorry that wasn't aimed at you as I know you work all sorts of shit hours, TBH I feel sorry for you & Cougar having to take the frontline flack for this car crash of an up date.
I know that MrOvershoot but the IT guys are entitled to weekends off so let them have, anyway we’re moving away from the crux.
"the IT guys are entitled to weekends off"
****ing long weekend! :hehe:
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 16px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: #eeeeee;">I know that MrOvershoot but the IT guys are entitled to weekends off so let them have, anyway we’re moving away from the crux.</span>
The weekend after a failed rollout?
Yes Jamie.
I guess the school used by the "IT guys" is closed at the weekend and they're not allowed in without a teacher present.
Health and Safety but you’re wrong it’s more a nursery than a school.
Insert smiley here when it's available
🙂
[comes in from bike ride]
[looks at forum]
[sighs]
[goes back out for bike ride]
STW forum. Helping people off the internet since 2018.
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 16px;">TBH I feel sorry for you & Cougar having to take the frontline flack for this car crash of an up date.</span>
Fair comment.
+1.
"entitled" to weekends off ?
I guess it all went well in the test environment. Something must have happened when switching to Live environment....
I heard there was changes here so popped back on to see what all the fuss is about.
Well, the redirects haven't happened while I have been reading this thread and others so that's a good thing. But the rest of it as described above is shocking! It's taken 3 nope 4 tries to get this to post so that needs sorting and the formatting on Chrome (mobile and desktop) is different every time. Good luck sorting it out, otherwise this place is going to wither away.
As SaxonRider said earlier it has an eery feeling of what happened to the MTB Wales forum (can't remember my usename on there but looking back though the link he put up brought back some memories!), one failed change and everyone scattered. I used to use the MBR forum after MTB Wales died and that one is now stumbling as it has so little traffic when the core group left a few years ago.
Please sort it all out ASAP as it's a great place and the likes of Facebook groups just aren't the same,
I'd better just keep adding this same point here at regular intervals.
This is an intermediary step to something bigger. The whole site is about to change quite dramatically but before we can do that we've needed to bring the forum software up to date. What many probably never realised is that previously Singletrack consisted of two websites running side by side. There was the front pages with stories and then the forum. They were both skinned to look like the same site but essentially they were separate. Now they are joined from a data, user and content point of view, which means we have a great deal more options for what we can do.
We now have a single database for the site which includes the forum. This was a necessary step. We were totally shackled by the old software and it's being ripped out so we can move ahead.
There are style and functionality issues that we are very much aware of and were expecting. There are some that we weren't expecting and these are being fixed. But we are only fixing what needs to be fixed before we move to the next stage of redevelopment.
I know many of you think that we are doing this all wrong, but we disagree. If you were sat here and had the same complex mess of payment systems, user tables, subscriber functions and digital mag services to unscramble then you'd probably see our point. But you don't so that one you are either going to have to take our word for or not. Either way, we are going to stick to our plan and relaunch the site.
So yes, there are bugs and they will be fixed. in the meantime I'm sorry for the glitches but sometimes you have to rip everything down before you can build something better.
Something must have happened
Agile happened. Well, is happening.
