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I don’t feel like the same entitlement as you do, and as I said, it’s not even a pop up, I actually had to go beyond the last post on a thread to see it. First world problems eh?.
Just tells me what the priority list is for the dev team really, strapping as many ads as you can to the site might be a plan but maybe fix the rest of the issues first. It's obviously been a lot of work to put this pop up in as the updates stopped for days.
I did say we'd see some changes during the Easter Holidays.
Top whining tonight.
What page is the latest update from Mark on please?
Been done Mike keep up.
Just tells me what the priority list is for the dev team really, strapping as many ads as you can to the site might be a plan but maybe fix the rest of the issues first.
You're forgetting that it's a commercial venture. If the revenue isn't coming in then the lights go out permanently, they have wages to pay. That is the priority and STW would be stupid to behave otherwise. Mark's looking at alternatives to reduce the reliance on advertising. STW has a readership of one and a half million visitors a month and it'd take just a couple of thousand new subscribers to do away with third party advertising completely.
What page is the latest update from Mark on please?
I paraphrased it on the sticky "our forum" thread.
Top whining tonight.
Something something mod attitudes. (-:
Yep it has, still true though isn't it.
Nobeer, I have no sense of entitlement, you will know that. I even had enough shite in life to take nothing for granted. STW has helped me with articles around cancer awareness and I have made many close friends from my time on here. I like the forum and refer to it daily. It has helped me fix bikes, cars, houses, family stuff, lots. It owes me nothing, so no entitlement. I owe it a lot.
As a user of the forum it has, in the past few months, become less intuitive, more clunky, harder to find things. It is hard to see how that is progress. I realise it is a business and not one which I know anything about.
But, as you point out, it’s free, and very much a first work issue.
I just hope it becomes easier to navigate, less bugs, more fun, and a useful, interesting and challenging place to spend a coffee break.
Something something mod attitudes. (-:
It's not helping. Attitude aside, unpaid forum moderators updating when those who should don't. Not a good look.
I/we appreciate that you're trying, but you really shouldn't have to be.
I'll subscribe again once everything is fixed. Not gonna pay for something that's broken am I.
You’re forgetting that it’s a commercial venture. If the revenue isn’t coming in then the lights go out permanently, they have wages to pay. That is the priority and STW would be stupid to behave otherwise.
It's a very simplistic view though, , if the place is harder yo use, less popular, posts drift off, threads die away etc. what are they trying to generate revenue on? Like Del boys van slapping your name all over something isn't always the best idea.
I see more official replies on the new forum/facebook page again.
No obvious benefit? They’re trying to sell **** magazines!
Maybe go to uni & do a degree in marketing/media or something then cos this crap ain't workin for me!
(I'd put a wink or a smile on but I can't cos apparently I have to do it on a phone nowadays, & I'm on a laptop) 😉
Edit, WTF!
It is hard to see how that is progress.
This was covered right back at the start. The forum as it stood was knackered. Everything under the hood was a rats' nest of code from a succession of developers and even minor changes carried massive risk. Outwardly the forum hasn't changed all that much, but under the hood it's massively different. The roof might leak but the foundations are no longer about to drop into a sinkhole.
I/we appreciate that you’re trying, but you really shouldn’t have to be.
Thank you, that's appreciated. Some of the comments here have made me want to walk away (and I almost did on more than one occasion). And we don't have to, but I can see both sides of the coin here; Mark posts and he gets mauled (to be fair, he's many things but like me not a diplomat), and ultimately he has to be able to sleep at night.
In the absence of a list of known/solved bugs and glitches, did you know about the thread page number indexing problem?
It's another click, which is worth something.
Site is still loading much slower than it used to, glacially at times, for me at least.
It’s all quite interesting really.
Yes, this is my favourite thread now.
Cougar, I understand that, hence why I said it’s ‘hard’. I’m not a computer person, I expect to press the button and get the result, Sinkholes and foundations now.... I have a Masters in that 😀.
I’m sticking around and have a reasonable degree of confidence that it will come good, but it really is properly crap currently, and seems to have been for quite a few weeks.
I would also second those who have said that you as mods (well all apart from Colin at least..) do a cracking job for minimal thanks, so well done for doing it !
ffs i can't be botthered, this forum is like going back to dos 3
And not a moan but the pop up ad from stw appears and goes way too fast on my mobile to kill it (hence appears on all threads ) chrome latest, android 8.1 portrait mode...
Can the p's have some tick boxes for less of the shite, much less of the shite, I buy it all already and none of the shite adverts for stw displayed?
And we don’t have to, but I can see both sides of the coin here; Mark posts and he gets mauled
Was this during the 2011 upgrade?
I/we appreciate that you’re trying, but you really shouldn’t have to be.
No I/we don’t have to we’re not expected to either but we choose to though. You you know as in volunteer to.
I'm beginning to wonder if it isn't some kind of Stockholm syndrome.
Yeah. We must need our ****ing bumps feeling.
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I'm finding all this quite interesting (and a little perplexing).
I'm a long-time subscriber, so never had to deal with the reported pop-up craziness of the old forum.
I guess I'm also quite atypical in that I usually access the site from a desktop computer or laptop, and use a minority browser (Vivaldi) on a minority OS (Linux). Although at work it's Windows and Chrome with very little difference.
Apart from the odd slowdown, I've seen no huge issues in the changeover. I rarely used the search, or my own post history, or wanted to jump to the newest post, so issues with those have passed me by. My user experience has barely changed other than the look of the place (and I actually prefer the new layout, etc.).
When I do access the site on a mobile device (Android phone/tablet running Chrome) I've still seen very little disruption and encountered nothing that makes the place unusable in any way.
The only thing that winds me up is the random logging out and subsequent need to log in that seems to have persisted from the old site to the new...
As I said, this thread confuses, amuses, and saddens me in equal measure...
Are we there yet?
Do you need a wee?
No, I'm sure I don't need to go.
For some reason...
It may well be unintentional behaviour, or an experiment. (I don’t know.)
Its more ore like a primary school keep d homework after they’ve discovered word art and PowerPoint animations for the first time.
Oh ffs. Why is autocorrect still so shite on this website, and this website alone?
@colournoise - the logging out isn't random, it's completely consistent and predictable. It works on a per device/browser basis. It's 48hrs if you don't check the "remember me" box and 14 days if you do.
Autocorrect/auto suggest is working for me on iPad.
Site is still loading much slower than it used to, glacially at times, for me at least.
@martinhutch Yes, me too.
Was the 2011 update the one where Mark said he'd eat his shorts if it didn't happen...and it didn't happen and he didn't eat his shorts? Might have been a hat, I don't recall the object, just that both didn't happen...
Site speed is very variable for me, sometimes it's quick (but not as quick as the old forum), other times it's glacial and when it does load you then have to wait further while the ads rearrange the page before you can be reasonably sure that you will click on the right thread. 😉
Minor point... I keep getting a up box thing telling me to buy the mag for £5.99, despite the fact i'm a P and get to download it as part of my membership ?
Still a bit slow for me, but much better. The general look is fine, the only thing (and it's very minor) is the location of the next page controls on the thread list.
It's below the 'Start new thread' box. Given that most people, most of the time, just want to go to page 2, I think it should be above the 'Start new thread' box. But not a major problem.
(The new issue pop up is a bit annoying.)
A thought on the logging out problem.
Is there a WP plugin that shows the length of time left before you get logged out? It's a bit much to expect users to find and read the cookie themselves. Allied to this you could have a "refresh my login" button so that people didn't get logged out in the midst of composing a post.
What's the collective for for a group of whiners? 🤔😊
Three things for me:-
The speed of the site in general and the odd 5 sec + pause between pressing the post button anything happening.
The reduced search functionality in comparision to the old version.
The replacement of a proper post history with details of a response with the current daft list of your replies with no thread title and no details about if there has been further responses.
Without those three improving soon (and an update explaining that these are issues that they are aware of and are working on sooner) the forum will be a dustbowl in 6 months. But maybe that's no biggie for STW - providing a place for middle aged men to bicker is probably not a money maker and if the traffic to the content of the rest of the site is marred by the reputation of the inbreds maybe it will be a positive thing.
No Beer
they are called paying customers
Let's not revise history now, the search function was always shite.
Top whining tonight.
Ha! We’re the only ones left 👍🤩🤡
True the search was rubbish, as somebody showed you can implement an off the shelf google one that just works.
@couger/drac Yes mark got a chuck of "feedback" when he showed up and told everyone that it was all going according to plan and exactly as he expected - the "feedback" for that should have been expected. He now has a closed thread to post without any chance of reply, if that isn't going to work with his diplomatic style then use one of the journalists sat near him to craft a more suitible update/engagement bit.
In terms of customer engagement... popups, look at me links, shouty flashy things - if people are not clicking on the stuff that is there already from the forum maybe they don't want to? Is there a monetary benefit from a P member clicking a news story?
That chuffing upscroll “buy Singletrack now” is a crock of shite when viewing via a phone.
Ya really know how to piss people off dontcha 🤷♂️
Let’s not revise history now, the search function was always shite.
I've got to say I never found it shit atall. A bit slow to update maybe (it would miss what was posted in the last few hours) but you could use the advanced function and do....well, forum type stuff. Choose which section, or all to search in. Choose how far back to look. Choose to search in the body or just the title. Choose to search for some or all of the words in the string. The search for posts only by particular users never worked but everything else pretty much did.
What’s the collective for for a group of whiners?
Peloton?
Is it time to have a Deadpool for forums?
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nuked the slide in with a popular browser add-on beginning with "u"
just a cosmetic filter for now - had intended on making the .js never load (might work on that later)
which reminds me, I need to work a bit more on the remote font blocking. I made the Montserrat go away, but all the emojis and handy post icons went too.
I'm have a paid up sub, so I don't think I need to be reminded on every page that the mag is in stores now in a country in which I do not live 😉
And another thing....
That pop and (which I completely agree is utterly pointless and annoying for paid members) also gives some dodgy floating text for me. It drifts over the forum posts until the pop-up is closed. Chrome on android btw.
Three things for me:-
The speed of the site in general and the odd 5 sec + pause between pressing the post button anything happening.
The reduced search functionality in comparision to the old version.
The replacement of a proper post history with details of a response with the current daft list of your replies with no thread title and no details about if there has been further responses.
Without those three improving soon (and an update explaining that these are issues that they are aware of and are working on sooner) the forum will be a dustbowl in 6 months.
Thanks, I was going to type that but you've saved me the trouble!
Really considering getting rid of the P now, and the site without it is not a place I'd visit other than to make use of the classifieds occasionally.
Really hope that you get it sorted out chaps, I'd miss this place.
The log out thing is NOT 2 weeks if you click remember me and 48hrs if you don't.
It randomly logs me out during sessions, sometimes several times a session. Last night I was typing away when I got logged out and the site redirected. Last week it did it on the shop computer less than 10mins after logging in with the catastrophic redirect to porn in front of a customer.
@colournoise – the logging out isn’t random, it’s completely consistent and predictable. It works on a per device/browser basis. It’s 48hrs if you don’t check the “remember me” box and 14 days if you do.
Autocorrect/auto suggest is working for me on iPad
Same for me- I get logged out if I use a different device.
The autocorrect is only a semi-shambles on this (Samsung S7 Android nougat) but it doesn't seem as bad some people's posts! Mostly just deleting letters if I use an apostrophe
This is by far my favourite bit of the new forum
Who actually thought that listing some HTML tags and attributes was a replacement for a text editor? It's 2018 FFS 🙂
Is that the Chrome App version? Looks more usable 😉 Don't get any of that here, perhaps that explains it we each have a browser and hardware specific version
Who actually thought that listing some HTML tags and attributes was a replacement for a text editor? It’s 2018 FFS 🙂
That’s not a feature of the forum not what I can see? probably a dodgy plugin.
Apart from the odd slowdown, I’ve seen no huge issues in the changeover. I rarely used the search, or my own post history, or wanted to jump to the newest post, so issues with those have passed me by. My user experience has barely changed other than the look of the place (and I actually prefer the new layout, etc.).
When I do access the site on a mobile device (Android phone/tablet running Chrome) I’ve still seen very little disruption and encountered nothing that makes the place unusable in any way.
The only thing that winds me up is the random logging out and subsequent need to log in that seems to have persisted from the old site to the new…
Agree with all of that, apart from the logging out, which doesn’t happen that often for me, and isn’t that much of a chore anyway. That screenshot that scotroutes posted is something I just don’t recognise on the forum now, under the text box all I can see is a lower-case ‘p’, which doesn’t seem to do anything. One thing that is missing from the header bar on the reply box is a strike-through function, bold, italic and <span style="text-decoration: underline;">underscore </span>are there, but I want strike-through back, please.
Mostly, though, things seem to be fairly settled, or at least I’ve got used to a different way of using functions, the line-space when tapping return is irritating, because the new line for some reason won’t automatically start with a cap, and if the word has an apostrophe in that gets left out as well, but those are fairly minor. I do like the fact that I can just paste a photo url in and it appears is much easier.
Pop-ups, etc, just don’t seem to happen, apart from the occasional STW subscription ad, and I don’t have any issues with that.
This is a weird one. The current page for this thread is 77, but on the overview the latest one that shows is 76. So you have to click the 76, and once in the thread, click the 77 which then shows.
And scotroutes, I think that version is specific to you. Doesn't look like that on any of my PCs, phones or tablets.
@Boriselbrus - the logged in/out behaviour is part of WordPress not this site per se.
If you log in on different devices or browsers then each will have its own time in the future when to log you out. If you log in to the site and then on the same device and browser you are logged out before the 2/14 days is up then that is a genuine problem.
I had to log in on my iPad this morning to type the message you quoted, I clicked the "remember me" box so at around 0630 in two weeks I'll get logged out on that device. I'll be logged out on the machine I'm typing this on earlier because I logged back in some time last week on it - just checked the cookie and it will be on the 24th April.
>I’ll subscribe again once everything is fixed. Not gonna pay for something that’s broken am I.
+1
Just cancelled mine, that stupid floating magazine banner thing was the last straw.
Just cancelled mine, that stupid floating magazine banner thing was the last straw.
If clicking an X is too much for you, I hate to think how you cope with the rest of your life. Must be really tough.
>If clicking an X is too much for you, I hate to think how you cope with the rest of your life.
If they're going to have an annoying website which I can use for free, why bother paying for it? It's fairly obvious they only care about passing trade and Ad revenue and not paying subscribers / members, so I'll take the hint and stop paying. Pretty simple really.
That’s not a feature of the forum not what I can see? probably a dodgy plugin.
I think that's when you want to leave a comment on a story rather than this forum
I'm having to log back in pretty frequently, too. So you're not alone, Boriselbrus.
That chuffing upscroll “buy Singletrack now” is a crock of shite when viewing via a phone.
Especially a crock of shite when you clearly already pay for the bloody mag. No ADS means NO ADS. Thank you.
And ffs fix the copy and paste. Or maybe fix the busted/lost functions BEFORE adding any more unwanted annoying crap? How nice would that be? "smileyface"
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[i]andytherocketeer wrote:[/i]
which reminds me, I need to work a bit more on the remote font blocking. I made the Montserrat go away, but all the emojis and handy post icons went too.
If you have a means of injecting code client side, then use:
[code]body {
font-family: "Verdana" !important;
}[/code]
Which is what the Chrome extension I'm using does - you can pick the font you like, but Verdana seems nice enough (and definitely preferable to Montserrat).
[i]whitestone wrote:[/i]
@Boriselbrus – the logged in/out behaviour is part of WordPress not this site per se.
It's based on WP functionality, but like so much else on this site based on WP (actually BBP for what difference that makes), they've managed to break it. Though as discussed upthread, there's no real benefit to having cookies expire and logging people out at all.
Oh and only every 24hrs once you cancel the please buy 2 copies of the mag? Well it's back sooner than expected last had to cancel this morning (on this device which means I've had to cancel it 4 times today on different devices) so is the timer off.
And I'm never going to buy 2 copies of the mag.
maybe fix the busted/lost functions BEFORE adding any more unwanted annoying crap?
THIS- shall i repeat it every 24 hours ?
[i]mikewsmith wrote:[/i]
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">@couger/drac Yes mark got a chuck of “feedback” when he showed up and told everyone that it was all going according to plan and exactly as he expected – the “feedback” for that should have been expected.</span>
This. I wrote something very similar but a bit more rude last night which I then deleted - the thing is it's a bit disingenuous to complain about the reception Mark got to his feedback, when the feedback he's giving appears to be ignoring people's concerns. I'm reminded of the good news/bad news sketch in The Office...
Edit due to ****ed up formatting tags - not to remove them, but to point out that I'm deliberately leaving them for effect (and yes I am quoting using the extension, but it looks fine in the edit box and sometimes works fine, so it's your code which is broken not mine).
[i]Junkyard wrote:[/i]
maybe fix the busted/lost functions BEFORE adding any more unwanted annoying crap?
THIS- shall i repeat it every 24 hours ?
Yeah, but adding more annoying unwanted crap probably appears superficially to help with their revenue streams - I can understand why that is their priority when heads are so firmly buried in the sand regarding the business impact of a forum which is a bit rubbish.
The business impact will become more apparent as subscriptions end and aren't renewed.
The business impact will become more apparent as subscriptions end and aren’t renewed.
I think that means we will get more ads for all in an attempt to get us to buy 3 copies of the mag, perhaps if I post a pic of me with mine it might help
I've just been on MTBR. It's just so refreshing going to a forum that doesn't bounce around all over the place with mad pop up adverts and funky effects. And it's fast.
Oh yes - the "Please Buy The Magazine" pop-up ad is back, despite me having closed it previously. Is this getting reset daily or something?
If I sign up for one of the Facebook groups and ask there am I more likely to get an answer? What a bizarre way to run a business function.
THIS- shall i repeat it every 24 hours ?
Maybe you could make it slide up the page every time you scroll down?
and yes the bl00dy annoying sliding pop up telling me to buy a mag is back after 24hrs
this forum is an unpleasant experience - for a variety of reasons all stated up there
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I’ve got to say I never found it shit atall. A bit slow to update maybe (it would miss what was posted in the last few hours) but you could use the advanced function and do….well, forum type stuff. Choose which section, or all to search in. Choose how far back to look. Choose to search in the body or just the title. Choose to search for some or all of the words in the string. The search for posts only by particular users never worked but everything else pretty much did.
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I must have been doing something very inept or wrong! The old search function never worked for me the way you described at all. I agree that those options existed, and I did try to use them, they just never delivered any results! 🙂
My own personal perspective - I've been a forum user for 10yrs+, predominatly read posts as opposed to create new ones and have consistently looked at the forums at least once every 3 days or so for a mix of gaining useful bike knowledge and the humour that sometimes emerges from posts. That pattern of behaviour has certainly changed for me in the past couple of months. Just viewing the forum is generally an unpleasant experience - slow, pop ups for dodgy adverts on my phone, clunky posting from my phone / sometimes the response is completely 'lost' once clicked on submit etc.
The result is that I'm now using MTBR forums more than STW, I can't imagine that I'm the only one. Not trying for this to be a doom and gloom post but highlighting that the lower quality of functionality here is changing my pattern of behaviour and I'm floating across to other websites / forums.