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Edit, just read your post Colin. Yes, I agree that the pop ups are inexcusable. 21 before I managed to log in earlier today.
But how much fun has this place given you over the years?
How many excellent people have you met?
How much advice have you received about life, bikes, pies and other, less important things?
How many genuine friends have you made?
It's been a month. Not a huge amount of time in the great scheme of things.
The people who own and run this place are human too. Things don't always go as planned. Life is complicated.
I've taken more out of Singletrack than Singletrack has taken out of me. How about we all chill the **** out and show a little patience?
I agree with that comment, but the Porn Pop Ups/Redirects are inexcusable.
Soz.
Still asking pretty please for a simple button at the bottom of a thread which takes you back to the overview.
Reading on mobile and having to reach right across the screen to top left every time is like having an iPhone. 🤔
A screen finger shimmy, a click then another click to get back to overview currently. A single button at the bottom like before would be rad! 😁
Do you not have the overlay "top of thread" button bottom left?
Sorry - bottom right. Too late to edit.
Issue I have found is trying to access previous threads I have posted on. When you go to your posts in profile it won't open the thread that the post was in, just the actual post
grahamt - on that "replies" page, click on the little # at the bottom of each of the posts and you go to the thread
"grahamt – on that “replies” page, click on the little # at the bottom of each of the posts and you go to the thread"
That was VERY lucky for me, as I was that what I was trying to find out. Not very clear or wide known?
Maybe they can do some bullet points on some of the new ways on how these (new) things work!
And maybe make that page default, to save having to keep clicking through to it, I am no fussed on what threads I started, if there been any replies etc it show on the "previous threads I posted on"
its got really really slow again. It is a Sunday mind but.....
Do you not have the overlay “top of thread” button bottom right?
Edit. Yes, I see what you mean, the little translucent thing, but still, that's still taking me back to top of page where I have to make yet another click to get to overview.
Life's too short for two clicks.
Do you not have the overlay “top of thread” button bottom right?
Nope. Nothing.
Android.Chrome
Me neither
Also Chrome/Android
Yeah, I see what you meant now, but yeah, it was better before where you didn't need to go back to the top of the page unnecessarily.
I got things to do man....ain't got time to go backwards. 😉
Had another autocomplete problem. No matter what I did the text input is blobking me selecting the correct spelling of a mistyped word. See the example in previous sentence. This is the only site with this problem.
You are the Blob King.
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">same here </span> on the typing problem and also pop-ups and redirect pages making certain threads inaccessible. Doesn't happen on other sites
Yep, the typing is becoming infuriating. Whilst I don’t do my ch typing on many websites other than this one on my phone, I do write lots of emails and use the FB app a fair bit. Yet only here does it look like a dyslexic elephant has been typing on my iPhone. Latest os, etc.
There is now overlay on the mobile version but you click on the three horizontal iines to bring a similar menu up.
Sorry it take 2 click and takes up such vaulable time.
WhWh doezdthatd evenemeN?
Offs reallrecant be bothered now.
Sorry it take 2 click and takes up such vaulable time.
Just use a better design, like the one from about a month ago. HTH.
Sorry it take 2 click and takes up such vaulable time.
Any need to be snarky?
Any need to be snarky?
Are you new here?
Any need to be snarky?
If you look up in was in the humour used by Kayak. 🙄
If you look up in was in the humour used by Kayak.
My sides.
iPad 4th gen, 10.3.3, safari.
every so often the links back to the sub forums that surround the thread title at the top of the page are completely unresponsive, so either browser page back or try to find the main links which get tangled up in everything at the very top of the page.
Hate to kick a man when he’s down but as a long term subscriber and forum lurker, this implementation has been a bit shambolic. To have so many of the fundamentals not working is beyond ‘a few bugs in the system’. Speed and functionality aren’t even on par with some 1 man band website forums. As a Mac user, the speed and clumsiness is particularly frustrating as it seems even worse on Mac than PC, and certainly slower on desktop than mobile.
Appreciate that the software is probably far more complicated than a layman like me can understand but since the previous version seemed to work so well, why was the new version introduced in such an unfinished state? This seems a perfect case of if it ain’t broken, don’t fix it (but there may have been reasons beyond what is visible that made the change necessary).
Having lived through the pain of several large scale software changes professionally the moto seems to be test, test and test again prior to implementation. That doesn’t seem to have happened here.
Surely there must be some recourse to the developers that sold this software to you?
I have cancelled all of my print subscriptions except Singletrack (and there a lot!). With the internet of things I can get the news I want quicker than waiting a month. Despite much of the magazine content finding its way onto the site I persevered with Singletrack partly to help support/fund/acknowledge the broader community side. I am not about to cancel my subscription in protest, but it is another nail in the coffin. When print media disappears (which seems an inevitability) the strength of the website will be all the more important.
As a Mac user, the speed and clumsiness is particularly frustrating.
As a Mac user, I'd expect a flaming for that 😉
Ha ha, my point wasn’t ‘as a Mac user I expect better’. It is that for some reason the site works better on my clunky work laptop than my MacBook at home, which is usually faster in every respect.
Oh, i thought the Auto-complete was just some weird thing with my android tablet.. Although it does only happen on this forum i must admit.. Now i know.
Posting is slow, my last post, from being clicked, to then showing in the thread was 24s.
Is it just me or does the 'Overview' index page not seem to be updating?
RM.
it's not just you, i've had it not updating correctly from time to time.
OK Thanks Klunk. I think it seems pretty random, could be linked to the speed issues already noted.
RM.
Cheers for the response on the replies question. I would never have found that
Just been looking for earlier editions of the mag on the site - are they all supposed to be available to download to subscribers, because all I can see for the few I've tried beyond the first pageful is the pre-publication puff piece for the mag, maybe some links for GPX files and no link to the actual pdf etc so I can read it. Apologies if I've missed something obvious, or an explanation has already been given somewhere in the past 70 pages.
There is next to no banter on the forum anymore. The volume of traffic seems to have fallen through the floor. I am sure someone will come along and quote a stat to prove otherwise, but the forum does seem to be a less interesting place now. Have loads of people just switched off?
I certainly haven't been posting as much as I did (many might suggest that's a good thing) - mostly related to changes in how I'm working, but the speed of the site and other issues has certainly contributed to it feeling less welcoming as a place to banter.
There is next to no banter on the forum anymore.
Speak for yourself mate! I'm the Archbishop of Banterbury!
Wahey! etc.
Said Perchy to himself....
It is really quiet, I certainly don't bother to follow up on posts I've made as it's a right PITA only to find nobody has replied, I figure a lot of people are doing the same. Stuff isn't popping back on the front page as often and certainly lunchtime is more like 11pm these days
Redirects happening on Amazon Fire HD running the latest FireOS all weekend. Just enough time with the back button to login and get to the forum, loggged out by the forum every time I closed the browser (Firefox side-loaded from Google play). Just a little annoying as I was away from home.
[i]solarider wrote:[/i]
Appreciate that the software is probably far more complicated than a layman like me can understand but since the previous version seemed to work so well, why was the new version introduced in such an unfinished state? This seems a perfect case of if it ain’t broken, don’t fix it (but there may have been reasons beyond what is visible that made the change necessary).
Having lived through the pain of several large scale software changes professionally the moto seems to be test, test and test again prior to implementation. That doesn’t seem to have happened here.
It did need fixing, because it was broken in a way which wasn't obvious to users. However you're spot on with the rest of your comments - that it needed updating is no excuse for the way it was implemented (I note that when challenged Mark has simply trotted out the known that it needed updating and ignored questions about the implementation - well apart from telling all us professional software devs working on web stuff with db back ends that we couldn't possibly understand without seeing it).
Just been looking for earlier editions of the mag on the site – are they all supposed to be available to download to subscribers
As I understand it, they've not all been uploaded yet but it's on the to-do list. The current edition should be available though (and maybe last month's).
[i]mikewsmith wrote:[/i]
Said Perchy to himself….
It is really quiet, I certainly don’t bother to follow up on posts I’ve made as it’s a right PITA only to find nobody has replied, I figure a lot of people are doing the same. Stuff isn’t popping back on the front page as often and certainly lunchtime is more like 11pm these days
The big issue there is the difficulty of following threads you've posted on, which like many others used to be my primary means of interacting with the forum. Sure they've kind of fixed it, but apart from the slightly hidden nature of the links, that you get a page full of your replies to the same thread rather than a list of different threads and that you can't tell if anybody has replied since your last comment, the most irritating thing is that rather than a single click it now takes about 4 to reach that page which isn't very funny when it takes so long to load each page. It kind of kills quick forum interaction.
Have loads of people just switched off?
Pretty much.
Said Perchy to himself….
No one else to say it to, is there?
Place is as empty as a recently divorced, fifty year old man's fridge lately
The aggression levels have dropped.
well when it takes so long to post the real venom just drips away, it takes a lot of effort to keep that vitriol sustained
Noticeable on a certain long running thread that when the responsiveness of the forums dropped then certain antagonistic posters were notable by their absence. As soon as the speed picked up they were back.
I am a subscriber/P member.
10 minutes ago I went onto the forum on my phone, logged in as me and looked at a couple of threads.
2 minutes ago I went to forum again but, as usual, was logged out. Before I could even log in my phone had to block 22 pop ups (all within about 10 secs).
I don't want to sound like I am flouncing but I am pretty close to calling it a day with the forum and my subscription. I am a paying customer and I think my expectations are reasonable. The log in/out issue has never been fixed and I object to my phone having to fight off junk pop ups when I am visiting a paid for site. If there are fewer users then then forum loses its value and interest.
I've been with STW since pretty much the beginning, certainly before the big crash. It is a shame to see it like this.
Has there actually been an official response to the pop ups problem which included porn? The comminication on this pop ups issue needs to be taken seriously by the owners, not the unpaid mods.
People will only put up with being treated badly for a while, then the'll vote with their wallet.
Well that was interesting - first time I've tried using the forum on my phone since the update and having failed to log in properly I had 23 popups blocked on this page. I would have quoted franksinatra, but failing to paste - how does pasting work on Android as normal method doesn't work?
for me the one that works is tap in the box to get the cursor, then tap it again to get the blue dot under it then tap the blue dot to get paste options or type a letter and you might be able to get that to activate paste.
anyway it's all in the how to/help page/sticky thing....[insert sarcastic emoji]
The aggression levels have dropped.
You think? The rather belligerent attitude of Mark and the mods is one of the reasons I'll not be renewing.
^^^^^^^^
Basically why I never renewed my subscription Colin. That was a few years back....
So we're all #StillNotACustomer for the same reason. Perhaps that says something...
My subscription just renewed for a great back in Feb so I'm tied in but ive cancelled my auto renew.
I'm oot.
Haven’t read a lot of this thread but there seems to be a lot fewer people posting since the revamp.
You think? The rather belligerent attitude of Mark and the mods is one of the reasons I’ll not be renewing.
Exactly.
Either one of two things has happened, the company is underfunded and badly run so the forum upgrade was underfunded and badly implemented and they are hiding under the duvet hoping it all goes away OR they’re off doing other things and they don’t give a crap about the forum anymore and won’t put any money into it’s as they are bored of it - if they shut it they’ll lose all the subs straugh away so they may as well let it fade away while they work on that other stuff so the money stays coming in for a while.
They don’t care about the Premier people or the free users, there’s no distinction. The whole site is getting more Facebooky all the time and I reckon they are going after the new generation with clickbait headlines to bring in cash from the social media generation.
More magic happening to the front page.
I'm sure it's to fix the forum pop-up issue, or something ...
I hope it doesn't fade away as it's part of the furniture now. Wouldn't know where else to go for this kind of chat, advice and abuse.
Resurrect Bikemagic?
Oh FFS!
The front page crashes Safari on iPad. Done it three times now.
What phone do I want to win to cut down on the pop ups and the spinning wheel shite?
More magic happening to the front page.
This kind of sums up what's happening to my mind. A search box, for everything except the forum, coded in white caps on light grey, hidden at the bottom of a page which seems to scroll down forever, filled with news articles that nobody will read.
I could probably count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I was glad for a site-wide search (EXCL FORUMS).
The value of the site to me is in the knowledge on the forums, not the clickbait headlines.
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Words are not required here.
What an absolute joke.
EDIT tried the forum search. Formatting all over the shop, really messy and the first result is from 7 years ago (I searched for “forum”). Well that’s really useful. 🙄
My mobile just advised me of 24 pop ups blocked accessing 3 pages on here. It never advises me on any other site. I'm guessing there's a reason.
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Brilliant!
It's . . .
the . . .
slowness . . .
that . . .
is . . .
getting . . .
a . . .
bit . . .
dull.
It's a minor point but the favicon could do with standing out a little better.
OFFS. https://www.screencast.com/t/lVMLWc152wX
Why has the sale page post ordering changed? The old method, ordered by initial post date, made looking for new items super easy. Now, ordered by most recent post, ends up in a dogs dinner of new and old. Just wondering if there was a reason, am I missing something?
Perhaps Mark and that Zuckerberg chappie are in fact the same person
both gone missing and stuck their head in the sand and refuse to comment
the favicon could do with standing out a little better.
Dammit! I just came on here to thank the overlords for that fix that we'd all been crying out for! A faded favicon (didn't know they were called that!) that makes it look like the Chrome tab has been washed at too hot a temperature.
Just remembered that I've got the YSlow extension for the browser so I ran it on this site and it came back as an average 'D' on a scale of A - F. Not good for a commercial site. YSlow is a reporting mechanism so at least you know where to aim your efforts.
TBF most tests came back as A but there were sufficient Fs to bring things down, some of them are quite simple like "Put JavaScript at the bottom of the page" and "Minify JS & CSS" others like "Use a CDN" aren't so simple though the stated aim of moving to one of the cloud servers would start on that.
Anyone else noticed "#" has become "Go to thread"
Can this mean this will be the permanent way to navigate? Please no.
Glitter the turd approach?
Can I just say that the site works absolutely fine for me using Chrome on Windows 10, Chrome on Android 6 on a Sony Z3C and a Nexus 7, and on Android 7 on a Galaxy S8? Could be a bit faster, but apart from that I have no issues, and it's more usable than the old version. Don't know what you are all whinging about.
Don’t know what you are all whinging about.
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Slow performance at different times
Pop ups and redirects
Difficulty pasting text - can you do it really easily in android or lots of different taps?
Search is still buggered
Post history is next to useless
Image Link in android is wider than the screen and the cancel button is off the screen
Predictive typing is also bolloxed
Though if it's all working fine for somebody then it's a start
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That only happens if you copy and paste the user name and status:
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<div class="bbp-reply-content">Don’t know what you are all whinging about.
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