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ROFLMAO
See, there are some very cheeky and creative HR teams out there.
. but that also gets broken into with the next call-out, so what we end up with is an ‘average’ 11 hours off.
Thats pretty dubious. I wonder what a court / tribunal would make of that. What do you do? YOur compensatory rest should not be interfered with. would it stand up in court? Essential services do get a little more leeway. Depends to an extent the level of callouts - 3 x a night is somewhat different to once every few weeks
What do you do?
fire service
Depends to an extent the level of callouts – 3 x a night is somewhat different to once every few weeks
it can be anything from 4 or 5, to none.
fire service - its almost impossible to make a rota that actually meets wtd and is acceptable to the staff. Its even worse than junior medics.
We have a voluntary contractual call out (voluntary in that you opt in and give notice to opt out) with a retainer. WTD states that those on contractual emergency callout can break the 11hr rest into two shorter breaks...I don't think its a grey area...although averaging several shifts and callouts over several days probably is. And of course after midnight, the individual can choose to take OT, make up their rest hours and then come in late for the next daytime shift, or take part of it at non-overtime rate and it comes off the day shift. i.e. callout at 10pm to 5am. 5hrs rest before, then 4hrs rest after, good to work from 9am. Or, 2 hours OT, then midnight to 5am is normal pay (+ night rate), take a 'lunch' breakfast break, then work another 4 hours and finish at 9:40am. The guys always take the OT and do a full day shift!
Yet loads of nurses routinely do ‘late-earlies’ And no one bats an eyelid…
The (city based) trust I work for doesn’t allow this, neither does the county trust nor the neighbouring trusts.
Our Trust won’t allow this either.
Typically Hospital based Nurses work 12.5 hour shifts 3 days a week so they’re cutting it fine if you do 2 days on the bounce, but you’d never do for example a Sunday Night and Monday Day, partly because you’d end up working 24.5 hours in one go and partly because the shifts over-lap to allow for hand-over. If you work a day/night rota there’s always 2 clear days between.
Typically Hospital based Nurses work 12.5 hour shifts 3 days a week so they’re cutting it fine if you do 2 days on the bounce...
At our trust you can be rostered in for 3 nights in a row (2000 - 0730) but they prefer not to roster in staff 3 Long Days (0730 - 2000) in a row.
Of course if you choose to work Bank shifts as well all manner of shifts can be worked, though they have to be at least 11 hours apart.
3 rostered nights with 5 Bank nights tacked on the end is my 'record' so far. When Bank pays mid-scale Band 7 pay it's hard to turn it down!
The (city based) trust I work for doesn’t allow this, neither does the county trust nor the neighbouring trusts.
Fair doos, things must have moved on. It’s been a few years since I last dated a nurse, which is from where my experience of this was obtained. They were definitely late to the 11hr break party though; I thought at the time it was iffy.
Fair doos, things must have moved on.
A fair bit has changed since the Francis Report came out.
Unfortunately much hasn't though.