Forgive me Michelin Crossclimate 2s..... I've been unfaithful...

There are a few crossclimate clones now... I looked at a few when counting the pennies... stuck with Michelin's in the end because the price difference was peanuts in the grand scheme of things.

The Stopping in the wet was really good for the Bridgestone... As were the wear figures. Not much ££ in it between these and the CC2s... maybe £60 for the car, but that WAS with a discount code. It was the availability in 245/45 r19...

DrP

i just fitted a set of Goodyear 4Seasons Gen3. Was on 'normal' summer tyres before. The GY def less crisp on turn in, but are def more comfy.

think they are a bit less 'all season' than the Mic CC2

i got Goodyear 4Seasons Gen3 as they where much cheaper than the crossclimates in my car's size
They seem good, handled winter without any issues

I'm on the predecessor, Bridgestone Weathercontrol, at the minute. They've been perfectly good so far. It was the fact they're biased toward wet/cold conditions (i.e. not snow/ice) that sold me on them... This is Britain, and I'm in a bit where it rains quite a lot and snows only a little.

the holy grail answer to the question “what car tyres”…

"Whatever reasonable brand all season is in stock."

With a side order of shooting for something biased toward the cold/wet.

Long time Michelin Cross Climate user here from an Honest John recommendation a decade ago

Next replacements will be a change to Goodyear 4 Seasons which have been well reviewed by multiple motoring magazine group tests

Helpful to read about your Bridgestone real world experience… looking at the tread patterns all the manufacturers look to have caught up and copied one another, which is good for the consumer with more options which hopefully drives prices down

I thought the Contis came out top of the tree in that recent test up there^? What made you choose Bridgestone over Conti once you'd decided to be unfaithful pls?

I’m on the predecessor, Bridgestone Weathercontrol, at the minute. They’ve been perfectly good so far. It was the fact they’re biased toward wet/cold conditions (i.e. not snow/ice) that sold me on them

I've got those too, chosen with the same rationale as you mention. That plus helpfully they were £430 fitted for a set of 205/45r17 compared to £575ish for CC2s at the time.

I thought the Contis came out top of the tree in that recent test up there^? What made you choose Bridgestone over Conti once you’d decided to be unfaithful pls?

The conti isn't available in my size.. I think were they available, I'd have gone for those..

I got my tyres from Kwikfit (the local one to me is actually really good...YMMV).. with a discount code was £810 fitted and balanced..

DrP

I had the Bridgestone A005 and found the durability to be really poor. Never quite got a straight answer from Bridgestone as to whether 5000 miles was expected lifespan or not. Tread depth decreased rapidly, but they actually failed in quite a strange manner with large chunks of tread coming off.

Replaced with Kumho and Good Year all seasons, which have been equally good and lasted longer than the Bridgestone. Chosen due to availability and price

i got Goodyear 4Seasons Gen3 as they where much cheaper than the crossclimates in my car’s size

Same here, put a set of Goodyear Vectors on my car for £368 back in Oct 22. Luckily it's a relatively cheap and common size (225/45 R17). Michelin would have been maybe £60 more and they're just not worth it to me. I'm dubious about whether there's any real world difference between one tyre and another in the same quality/use bracket anyway.

Never quite got a straight answer from Bridgestone as to whether 5000 miles was expected lifespan or not

I'd expect not! I got 30000 miles out of a pair of Bridgestones on the back axle of my 320D. Granted they were Driveguard rather than A005s, and you may drive rather more enthusiastically than me but 5000 miles surely can't be right.

yeah..5k is eith cos the tyre is naff, or you're making Gymkhana Hoonigan videos...

DrP

Sadly, with my tyres included on my scheme, Tusker insist on only fitting the original tyres. Horrid, hard but very £££ eco Michelins. Whenever it’s wet/greasy/cold  they really squirm & I hate them.

@a11y - compliments on your driveway condition

I’m more driving miss daisy than Ken Block, but granted it is a front-heavy diesel MPV which is usually good for a minimum of 12k from other front all season tyres. Think it may have been a duff batch.

The current Hankook all seasons are on 16k miles and have plenty of tread left - I’ve been very impressed with them from a price/lifespan/wet performance perspective

DrP - If I understand correctly, you have a new car. Do I further understand that you have replaced the (new) tyres? May I inquire what you have done with the old ones? Keeping them in the garage for ... what?

Not new.. new to me...it's a 70 plate!  Old tyres had 40k on them, were 2 or 3 different brands, and though had a few mm on them, I feel safer with all seasons...

DrP

Not new.. new to me…

Aah - OK. I'll be replacing my tyres with all season, but not until the current ones are worn out. Which feels odd - if I'm concerned about safety I should do it anyway, right?

I had the Bridgestone A005 and found the durability to be really poor. Never quite got a straight answer from Bridgestone as to whether 5000 miles was expected lifespan or not. Tread depth decreased rapidly, but they actually failed in quite a strange manner with large chunks of tread coming off.

Sample size of one, but, mine are currently on 10k miles, I have yet to spot the tread wear. I expect another year - easily - from the fronts. Diesel estate, 245/45R18, FWIW, driving style? I guess I did accelerate that one time last year to merge into motorway traffic, but apart from that I'm "Driver Least Likely To Be Making Progress."

Mich CC2 haven't been the best choice for UK conditions for a while.  They excel in snow conditions but they are let down on their wet weather performance.  I would argue for UK conditions you would want to sacrifice some snow performance for wet weather performance and have more of an all rounder or something biased towards dry and wet performance.

For my 206 with 15 inch wheels I decided to go for Hankook all season tyres, they had good dry handling (cold and warm) with OK wet and snow performance.   Better in the wet than the Mich CC2 not as good in the snow but miles better than a summer tyre.

with a discount code was £810

That's a lot of money for tyres. 😱

I'm erring towards Continental again when I need. I had a pair on the Leon and they were superb compared to the 'we have them in stock' Maxxis that got fitted when I bought it.

with a discount code was £810

That's a lot of money for tyres. 😱

I'm erring towards Continental again when I need. I had a pair on the Leon and they were superb compared to the 'we have them in stock' Maxxis that got fitted when I bought it.

@DrJ

The polestar is a hefty, fast, powerful car..that I drive up and down the a27 with me and my kids on several times a week... It's been so wet, with standing water, over the past few years, that I've ALWAYS erred on the side of caution and stuck decent (i.e branded all season) tyres on my cars, even if the tyres provided have a few mm of legal tread depth remaining.. Heck, even the LEAF felt so much more stable and safer with mich CC2s..

It might be overkill for safety, but a price I'm happy to pay. If it was a brand new polestar, the OEM tyres are FAIRLY good, so i'd have ran them for 40 odd k i suspect...!

And yeah, £810 is the most i've EVER spent on tyres! The LEAF was about £105 per corner, the Octavia about £120... FFS..Fancy car, drop ya pants type thing!!

DrP

I watched that review up ☝🏼 the other day, and the top three made interesting viewing. I’ve got Mich CC2’s on the front of my EcoSport, and the original Goodyears on the back, the CC2’s weren’t my first choice, but I got them through work and had them fitted there, and choice was limited. The CC2’s were a big improvement over the OEM’s, but when I eventually need new rears I’ll get the Pirelli or Bridgestone all-seasons on the front and swap the CC2’s to the rear.

Dunno when that’ll be, though, ‘cos my mileage has dropped off a cliff and I’ve still got around 4.5-5mm of tread all round. By the time I actually need tyres, the all-seasons will probably all have been upgraded again!

I’ve got the Contis on my BMW, they are superb, comfortable and quiet and very good on my mpg, seem to have gone up 4mpg on the motoway.  Mind you, they’ll be in a muddy field on Sunday so let’s see if I get out.

As soon as the shitty Eco contacts are even close to worn they’ll be some going on the other car.

The conti isn’t available in my size.. I think were they available, I’d have gone for those..

Phew! I thought id misremembered/misinterpreted the review. I think it was a bit close but Contis came out just ahead of Bridgestone on performance and cheaper than the Michelins - but not by much. Mebbies a tank of fuel for four?

Ive just had to replace my michelin cc 1's and just went for the 2's as the old ones had been so good. Really made the car feel comfy and solid in horrible driving conditions.

When i put the receipt in the car folder i noticed the mileages - 46,000 from a set of tyres! I have a 100 mile round trip commute which is 70 miles motorway, 30 miles horrible potholey country lanes, and every 2 weeks or so a 300 mile round trip cross country across dorset, somerset and devon so not exactly light use. AWD SUV so heavy car too.

Hope the new ones match expectations but interesting to see theres more options now.

Worth keeping an eye on Costco offers.

I just got a set of 4 x 245/45-19 Bridgestone Turanza 6 (summers) fitted for £580.

Cheapest elsewhere was Blackcircles at £650

I watched that review up ☝🏼 the other day, and the top three made interesting viewing.

Incredibly thorough, wonder how pays for it all, hiring the track etc can't be cheap and viewing figures aren't that high...

Holey Moley. Tyres are expensive. I recently bought a new to me car. I wanted All Seasons. National Tyres had a deal on Rotalla Setulas (budget) for 4 for less than £200. I bought them as I am not a performace user.

(Un)Fortunately they weren't available, and I was offered Falken As210s instead for the same price. The garage that supplied my car bought back the part worn Continental ECO-summer-whatevs for £35 each, leaving me with 4 new not-quite-the-top-of the-pack-but-still-decent All Season tyres for a total of outlay of £36. I think that was just right place right time. I hope thay last more than 12K!

 I hope thay last more than 12K

It doesn't matter for £36! What do you want, jam on it? 😆

@CountZero just reading through the thread and noticed your thoughts on fitting a pair of new tyres to the front

Just a consideration, but the general consensus these days is to put a pair of NEW tyres on the rear axle of a car, not the front - as it helps with stability, aquaplanning, and particularly when braking whete over 80% of the force is put through the front tyres, the rears being unweighted need as much grip as possible…

Kwik Fit - “Newest tyres should be fitted to the rear axle”

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Incredibly thorough, wonder how pays for it all, hiring the track etc can’t be cheap and viewing figures aren’t that high…

I thought that… i love how calm and composed, and lacking in hyperbole his reviews are. Me like…

DrP

Had Bridgestone all seasons on the festa for about a year now No idea what model but were relatively cheap compared to the michelins. Felt really secure on snow not long after fitting but seem to have hardened up and are less awe inspriing this season. Still perfectly adequate and more than happy with them. I am quite happy to hit the deep flooded sections of the valley road at 60 mph without any fear of aquaplaning so they must be doing something right!

Swapped out 4 Goodyear eagle asymmetrics for 4 Goodyear vector 4seasons gen 3 a few months ago as my front eagles needed replacing, plus I felt uneasy at how the eagles ‘clunk’ about when the roads get cold, then looking at the reviews noticed how terrible the performance tyres were for braking in the cold and wet.

Although the eagles are a phenomenal tyre I actually prefer the vectors on my cloverleaf Alfa giullietta, maybe because that car has fairly poor steering feel for an Alfa and the vectors provide more ‘feel’ through them having less vice-like grip - although I am not talking about driving at any more than road legal speeds here. I haven’t spent time working out the best pressures for them yet and are just using the same pressures I used for the eagles, so maybe they are also fractionally high.

Aah – OK. I’ll be replacing my tyres with all season, but not until the current ones are worn out. Which feels odd – if I’m concerned about safety I should do it anyway, right?

TBH, as we're just entering the warmer and supposedly better half of the year, as long as the ones you have have enough tread (I change mine once past about 3mm) and aren't ditchfinder specials, I'd probably get another 6 months and change in Sept/Oct. I'd also note though that availability in Oct might not be the same as now.

If they need replacing I'd go to decent all seasons without a moment's hesitation

@DrP You must have been unlucky as "The Bavarian Barge" was fitted with a set of 19 inch 245/45 CC2's in December last year. So far I'm impressed at cold and wet stopping distances. As they're not run-flats the ride has improved a tad too. I'm unlikely to get any experience with icy roads this winter season.

Yeah.. when I had a look about a month ago a few places had the CC2s.. but now nowhere has them.

I've put about 90 miles on the Bridgestones so far, and they feel more comfortable than the OEM mix i had, and nice and quiet too.

DrP

I fitted CC2's to my VWT6.1 last autumn, as I was taken in by all the positive reviews on them, and there was a deal on them! But, I have got to say I'm disappointed with them. Fine in general use but in the little snow we've had this year, they were useless. I now carry my snow socks, which I normally only do when we go skiing. I will be going back to the tried and tested Vredestiens I've had for the last several years.

I fitted CC2’s to my VWT6.1 last autumn, as I was taken in by all the positive reviews on them, and there was a deal on them! But, I have got to say I’m disappointed with them.

Car and commercial versions of the same tyre model can be quite different. Unsure how the ratings for the CC2 compare between car vs van version, but the original commercial CC wasn't well reviewed/rated compared to rivals. I fully expected to be fitting CCs to our Transit Custom when we bought it 7 years ago, but instead went for Pirelli Carrier All Seasons in 215/65r16C - one of the only commercial all-seasons with an A-rating for wet grip. Not complaints with them at all, covered 30k miles and still 4mm+ remaining but likely to replace before the summer and a planned 2k mile adventure due to a small amount of cracking starting to appear on the tread blocks.

Bit of a thread bump.

I've always fitted 'standard' tyres, but as my fronts need changing I thought I'd jump on the all season train. Just checking it's OK just fitting to the front axle, or do all four need changing to all season? Rears have a lot of life in so would probably not go with this plan if all four need doing.

Would be going for Conti AllSeason Contact 2's. Fitting to a Octavia VRS (as if I needed to type that).

I wouldn't mix them.

Why not Crossclimate 2? They're awesome in the wet, work on snow, and are seemingly indestructible. Just gone through 40,000 miles and still have 5mm of tread left on a Tesla Model 3 AWD.

Why not Crossclimate 2?

Chat earlier in this thread (and linked review) suggests Conti's are the new king (or at least as good). They are also £105 a corner fitted versus £133.

I wouldn’t mix them

Hmm, balls. Now I'm actually Googling that seems like pretty consistent advice.

There is an opinion that the CC2's are now too biased towards snow performance at the expense of wet performance which depending where you are in the UK you are makes a more wet biased tyre a better choice.

If you don't live in a part of the country that gets properly cold, then I'd recommend Uniroyal rainsports in whichever flavour suits your car, they're the best all-round tyre I've ever used.

Ahoy thread bumpers....

So far very happy with the bridge stones...

Plus... The A27 STILL suffers standing water.. just this week I was commuting through pouring rain and puddles! Me has no regerts regarding my choice!

Economy seems unchanged, as far as I can tell.

DrP

Just checking it’s OK just fitting to the front axle, or do all four need changing to all season?

Most of the time it won't matter but when it starts getting cold i'd think there would start to be significant performance differences between your fronts and your rears which could make the handling a bit unpredictable. Where I live though, it's very unlikely there's going to be significantly cold weather until November - I'd be happy running a mixed set until then myself, that'd let you get another 6 months of of the rears then change them for winter onwards.

Also, what do you mean by a lot of life? I change tyres at about 3mm, legally they'd be ok for another 10k miles or so but the performance in the wet drops away dramatically below 3mm.

Sod it. Have booked in for all 4.

My first experience of crossclimates was my work lease company insisting on them as replacements. I was a bit miffed as had a hybrid and wanted eco tyres. They were fitted front only and turned out to be great, just the same economy but they actually gripped.

I replaced the worn primacy 4 on my current car recently with CC2.  Only 1 axle needed doing and wasnt prepared to throw away a lightly worn set of Primacy 4 so put them on the back and moved the rears to the front to wear out sooner.

Reading up, its advised to replace all of them, but if going to have more grip then better on the back to get understeer rather than the front grip and then have the rear overtake it!

Will replace the fronts with similar when worn, probably in Autumn.

For balance, our other car has the Conti All Season Contact 2 on the rear, and they also seem good.

I know it goes against the grain but I've been running all season tyres on the front and std tyres on the back* for the past 2yrs & 20k miles. Front wheel drive hatchback & down south so temps aren't extreme. In my mind most emergency braking will be in a straight line & I'd rather have the better grip, braking & steering on the front, so I might lose the back end and get a glancing blow - but isn't that better than ploughing straight on into a head on?

Too pig headed to be convinced otherwise, just thought I'd put out an alternative viewpoint out there 😉

* will change to all seasons once they wear out.

TBH i also put them on the back as car is an EV and much heavier wear on the fronts, so it means I will replace sooner than if i put the new ones on the front.

The previous car also ran for about 6 months with all season on front and rock hard eco tyres on the rear and was fine.

Latest conti 4 seasons on my old beemer, 57mpg (real) on a round trip to Austria from Scotland the day after they were fitted, grippy, quiet, M&S rated. Been over some snowy car parks abroad, and a few very wet muddy fields in the last few weeks, excellent tyres.

I run conti van contact 4 seasons on the van and they have also been an excellent long lasting, very capable tyre.

I've been faithful a d put 4x Michelin Cross Climate 2s on my Kuga.

2x OEM tyres at 40k miles (Conti Contact Sport) were a bit thin and also the sidewalls were perishing/cracking up. A big fat nail in 1 of them (right on the edge) was the excuse to trigger renewal.

(The other 2 tyres were appalling plasticy shiiite that had been put on to get the car past the MOT before I got it.).

The CCs are defo quieter and less harsh/ less road vibration.

The all seasons  Contis in my size were only available in 101xl load rating rather than 97.  I decided I wanted 97 (which does meet manufacturers spec requirements) to reduce the harshness.   Something to bear in mind. Higher load rating = stiffer side walls = harsher.

If you don’t live in a part of the country that gets properly cold, then I’d recommend Uniroyal rainsports in whichever flavour suits your car, they’re the best all-round tyre I’ve ever used.

Had them on the wifes old C30 great tyres and decently priced too IIRC. Have Kuhmo solus 4's on the van and they were great in the properly cold and slippy weather too (not that we get that much)

About to replace my Bridgestones as they have lasted only 16 months. Michelins were previously good for 3 years.

Question on the Conti's as I've forgotten the answer.

The CC2's are almost self funding with the extra mileage and fuel economy. Wondered if the Conti's are the same as, well as the improved performance?

I wouldn’t mix them

I have, and currently am.

I had shiny Hankook Kinergy 4s fitted to the front after a puncture .

Another pair will go on the back in September/ October to eek out a list few miles from the part worn tyres the car came with.

Cc2 here, very impressive in bumper deep snow(I live off road up a track) I wouldn't go back to full winters now, and I've had a few.

All round the cc2 is great, very quite, very smooth. I was slightly concerned about the XL rating but have no issues at all. Very comfortable tyre.

I got a killer deal that saved me 20 quid a corner, so at that price a bargain but I'd buy again if the longevity is good

I used to just leave winter tyres on all year round, then I realised that often I'd get to the start of winter with 2-3mm on them- good enough for summer but not winter so I got some steels and switch back and forth. Thats why I wont use all season tyres.

Bump - what's the thought this winter? Stupid rubber band tyres (245/35 R19) on my car coming to the point they need replacing so it's all-season time...

This thread from the other day might give you some ideas...

https://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/so-i-fitted-all-season-tyres/

The polestar is a hefty, fast, powerful car..that I drive up and down the a27 with me and my kids on several times a week… It’s been so wet, with standing water, over the past few years, that I’ve ALWAYS erred on the side of caution and stuck decent (i.e branded all season) tyres on my cars

Why not just get rain tyres which will be a better all round all season tyre for the south of Britain where it rarely falls below 7 deg?

Swapped out 4 Goodyear eagle asymmetrics for 4 Goodyear vector 4seasons gen 3 a few months ago as my front eagles needed replacing, plus I felt uneasy at how the eagles ‘clunk’ about when the roads get cold, then looking at the reviews noticed how terrible the performance tyres were for braking in the cold and wet.

But you have bought the wrong tyres for the driving you do. They need a bit of heat in them to work well, and are designed for 'pressing on'. No wonder they were no good if you just pootle around. Agree they get a bit harsh in winter too, but again get the heat in them, or leave them cold and do lots of fun skidz.

Why not just get rain tyres which will be a better all round all season tyre for the south of Britain where it rarely falls below 7 deg?

Because on the coast I frequently get below 7 degrees (has been below that 2 mornings last week)... plus it's hilly in brighton and hove..
The Bridgestone all season are better in teh wet, and worse in the snow/ice, than cross climates. hence the choice..

DrP

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But you have bought the wrong tyres for the driving you do. They need a bit of heat in them to work well, and are designed for ‘pressing on’.

If you mean the Eagles it depends exactly which one, I reckon they've changed focus a bit, I had the old Asym 3 and it was just a very good everyday sport/touring tyre, didn't need to be driven hard and tbh ran out of steam a bit quick if you did. The 6 is definitely a more sporty tyre and gives up a little bit of those everyday manners for sure.

The thing about "get a rain tyre" is, well, what is that? Most allseasons are designed with rain in mind and most allrounders too but there's not a raindrop icon for sidewalls to go beside M&S or a wee mountain. Premiumcontact's supposed to be great in the wet,but so is a vector, what's the better "rain tyre"? It feels to me like that's just something that's hard to ID, as a punter. Especially as grouptests uqite sensibly tend to compare "to the winner" not to an overall score, just cos conditions vary. (I am also discounting the Rainsport, because ime they're just not much good)

I'm just getting some Vectors on mine to replace some older gen winters and tbh they're all seasons and it'll be snow and ice where they really earn their keep and keep things safe, and they'll see a lot of sub-7, but I also expect them to absolutely kick ass in the rain. AND be good in the dry for that matter. I'm not sure there's much wet weather or everyday sacrifice here in order to get the winter performance, or at least that is my hope! Feels like we're getting past that.

CC2 update. 25k and in need of replacing. Very poor.

Well after a tight arsedness run down of the OE Pirellis on my Vulva, I've opted for a full set of Crossclimates. The OEs are down to about 5mm but falling to bits after ~6 years. Much cracking and now a nasty egg bulge on one side wall - utter shite.

The Michelin's were £690 for the set, being fitted next week. If this happens posthumously, you'll know the egg burst...

              Well after a tight arsedness run down of the OE Pirellis on my Vulva       On your what??

Volvo obv. Deliberate sp 😁

They have been our tyre of choice for some time, however youngest son's 1.0l Polo is getting new rubber all round tomorrow and I have opted for Bridgestone Weather control Evo this time.  They were £40 less per tyre and have really good reviews with the Michelin's only really beating them for proper snow conditions, the Bridgestones rate better in wet, cold weather, which is more the norm here in west central Scotland, though we do get a few snow days most winters.

He has a daily commute across Glasgow so a diversity of road conditions, hoping i have chosen wisely..

I was a fan of the original CC's but the CC2 seems to have improved snow/ice performance but at the detriment of wet performance, which doesn't seem ideal for most of the UK. I ended going with GY Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2's on my Polestar, mostly due to their wet weather performance (and also OK rating for noise and efficiency), been happy with them so far (10k miles now). They were perfectly fine in sub zero temps last winter.

I had CC2's on my previous car and they paid for themselves in increased mileage and mpg. I use them in the Alps a couple of times each winter so favour the snow performance.

It looks like the competition have caught up so I wanted to wait for the CC3 before changing. Unfortunately, circumstances have decided now is the time...

The OEs are down to about 5mm but falling to bits after ~6 years. Much cracking and now a nasty egg bulge on one side wall - utter shite.

I don't think that 6 years is a bad innings for tyres, regardless of the milage. 

To be fair, they started cracking at ~3 years and were advised on the first MOT. Pirellis, never had a problem with them before.

Still very happy with the vector gen 3, I was honestly a bit gobsmacked by how good they are on ice and hard comrpessed snow- I was expecting competence, I wasn't expecting them to be as good as they are. Not quite as good as my old winters in deeper softer snow , definitely more fuss and spin, but still the limitation is when I run out of ground clearance and the bumper becomes a plough, not the tyres. Also not as good as the old winters in mud, made heavy weather of getting out of a sloppy race parking field- it did get out, with a little spinning and drama, it just wasn't going to tow a van out behind it like it could before.

But yeah, warmer weather arrived and they're just... fine. Completely unnoticable. I have pilotsports on my other wheels and sure, they do have some advantages- a bit less noise, I expect better economy, I suspect better lifespan and the outright traction will be better in an emergency, but in normal driving unless you're a ****ing idiot there's no shortfall here. You can feel a little bit less accuracy, a wee bit of sort of smearyness and stability and generally less confidence and "niceness". (this is on a 300bhp subaru legacy with good suspension etc, it can use a lot of tyre if you set your mind to it but it's impressively happy on these)

I'll still stick with 2 sets of wheels, even if only because I know the allseasons will perform much less well as they wear, so I want to keep them fresher for winter, whereas the pilotsports can happily munch spring/summer/early autumn miles

(further down the line I think it's totally possible I'll be on 2 sets of wheels, but it'll be "allseasons" and "road legal tw200 trackday tyres", right now I have 3 sets and if I went to 2 it'd be the summer tyres that'd go)

In the end I wasn't expecting class leading performance, I got them because they were like 60% the cost of crossclimates in my size. But we're definitely at a point where "slightly second best" is still bloody brilliant.

When I had the Conti’s fitted, I had the lightly worn CC2’s put onto the rear, which I’ve been advised was incorrect. They had about 1mm of wear on them, which I’m fairly certain isn’t going to compromise performance on a Ford EcoSport - it’s not a particularly big or heavy car. I certainly haven’t noticed any significant difference between them and the Michelins, other than a slight increase in tyre noise on certain road surfaces.

Junior has returned the car I lent him for an alpine Winter so I'll be taking off the Alpin 7 and putting dreadful Conti Eco things back on for the Summer. I drove it to the mountains with the Alpins on yesterday at 20°, they felt fine, I'm only taking them off to keep the wear down.

THe CC2s on the Zoe will stay on for the Summer, they got us up and down to the ski resort all Winter with no need to chain as the snow was never that deep or wet. I'm suprised by the not good in the rain comment above, fuzzy, I find them excellent from light rain to roads completely awash - the best non-full-Winter tyre I've ever used to hit standing water.