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As someone who doesn’t find watching paint dry interesting, this did feel a bit of a filler episode to me.
That was epoxy attempt at a pun P-Jay. You should be made two-pack your bags for that
Ok, so it was just about the preparation for the painting, but as they said, that's 250-350 hours of work, so a large percentage of the build time. Also interesting about the apparent slow progress. 20 project on the go, and 10 people working on them, so 18 months per project doesn't seem unreasonable.
Interesting soundbite - they've got about 20 cars on the go and 10 people so these projects take 2 years. Perhaps they need to take on less work or expand so that these videos arrive faster 🙂
Ok, so it was just about the preparation for the painting, but as they said, that’s 250-350 hours of work, so a large percentage of the build time. Also interesting about the apparent slow progress. 20 project on the go, and 10 people working on them, so 18 months per project doesn’t seem unreasonable.
Staggering isn't it.
I think the average back-street garage charges £35 an hour, it's a guess but what do you think £50 an hour conservatively?
That's going to be a £15k 'paint job' before it's done easy.
Latest episode (still haven't figured out how to embed video in this infuriating new forum "upgrade"). If Mr. Bean did UX...
I managed to get through this one with only a little fast forwarding. I wonder what the final bill for Gordon Murray will be - I suspect it is beyond eye watering.
Is it driveable yet?
Is it driveable yet?
Don't be daft! It's still only a painted shell and boxes and boxes of bits. I reckon the christmas episode 'might' have it being driven from one end of the yard to the other and another couple of months of fettling before it's good to go.
Was hoping to see some bits bolted on to it by now but it will get there when it gets there. Got to respect leaving the paint to harden off for a week. It does look lovely and I doubt there will be many escorts put together with such care.
Looking forward to seeing it finished (sometime in 2019).
I do really want one ;o)
Sweet, I was looking earlier on yt to see if the next episode had been posted. It has now!
It is getting there.
Bonnet catch. Nice.
The Stratos is looking good as well.
Bonnet catch? I haven't seen the vid but do know that RS Escorts should only ever have bonnet pins.
It’s not an RS replica/restoration. It’s not a replica/restoration of anything, not even a MK1 escort. It’s a completely bespoke uniquely engineered car that happens to resemble a MK1 Escort. It’s a fantastic project and that company seems to knock out some amazing cars. The video’s are hard to watch though. I don’t thinkni’ve Got through one without falling asleep yet! Looking forward to see it completed though and would be great to see it being put through it’s paces.
If I won the lottery
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a13069340/icon-derelict-1958-rolls-royce-jay-lenos-garage/
It’s a fantastic project
The more I see the more I fail to see the point. I drove a proper Escort, Graham Hickman's TUM (he of Jordan F1 hill climb fame). It was objectively horrible, impossibly heavy steering, no brakes, awful clutch, recalcitrant engine, deafening, until... when everything was properly warmed up (which required going a lot quicker than reasonable) and it was revved to the point where it stayed on the cam after changes, it all made sense. The weight of the driver on the brake pedal at 1g deceleration was about what was needed to get close to lock up, the gear changes barely needed the clutch (which when dumped bit instantly), the steering was still heavy but super fast and precise - RWD rally perfection. Just briefly I enjoyed driving it, then realised it wasn't mine, represented several years of salery and it was time to give it back in one piece. Thanks, Graham, if ever Googling your name brings you to this.
So what is this project to be? A road sanitised Escort that will never drive like a proper G4 at full chat, a vanity project, something to park in a hangar under a cover that will hardly ever turn a wheel.
I fail to see the point.
What's wrong with liking the mk1 Escort but not being fussed about originality/heritage or wanting a full-on race or rally car? Why not want a fast light RWD car that turns and stops well and fits a tall person properly, and happens to be in a mk1 Escort shell? And if you've got the money, why not commission a company to build the very nicest example of that?
it's interesting (the car not the video presentation of the building of the car) and the attention to detail is exemplary . Think I would have "road" tested that prototype rear suspension somehow first though if it needs major modification now it will be very costly.
I like the idea, but am too in a quandary why Gordon has built a car around such a restrictive body shell/design.
Why not build a car up from scratch, wouldn’t have taken much more effort and he’s a bit of a dab hand at designing cars isn’t he.
Why not build a car up from scratch
Probably because that wasn't what he wanted.
wouldn’t have taken much more effort
Yes it would. I would guess to take a something from idea to road legal, driving car would take a team of people about a decade. Prodrive once build a one-off car it took about 4 years, and in and it was an existing chassis and drivetrain (from two different cars) with a bespoke body.
Anyway, it would be a bit of a waste of his talent to spend that long to just build a one-off toy for himself.
Why?
Because Gordon Murray clearly likes the look of a mk1 Escort, but also likes modern kit like brakes, suspension and engines.
Like those E-Types you can buy with modern gear fitted to modern E-Type panels. And he's got the money to pay someone else to do it.
it upsets my that a rare Mk1 shell is used for another different car. I like it when owners change the engine for a pinto or a cosworth but should not rebuild the car. There's been one on ebay built from a honda s2000. I do not mind if a car is improved from original using modern parts but not a total rebuild, new car.
S’pose all I’m really interested in, if I’m honest, is will it have Carlos Fandango stripes and a sun visor that reads “ Gordon loves his Julie innit”
Still, great engineering concept. Still think he’s better off making a McClaren into an EV.. 🤷♂️🥴
Part 13
Another great episode (that most would find quite boring) proudly sponsored by Dynamat 😉
PS I do really love this build, the attention to detail is unreal, but I'm not sure I could watch it from start to Finnish in one or two sittings.
So many really nice touches. What do you think it's going to cost when it's all done?
Cost ? Not a clue but it’s a big number and if I had the money I’d gladly have one. And if you think it’s take a while check out project binky
I caught on to Binky at about episode 2 - can't even remember how many years ago that was. This Escort is like Binky with more money. I used to think that it was disappointing, considering that they clearly had more money, time and resources, but some of the details in this latest episode are really nice, worthy of Binky.
So what is this project to be? A road sanitised Escort that will never drive like a proper G4 at full chat, a vanity project
That’s a fair point. I had the pleasure of nav’ing an ex-works GpIV Escort some years ago (OLD421P if anyone’s sad enough to recognise it). An utter joy in terms of performance, responsiveness and agility, flicking from turn to turn. A pig on the road, naturally. You wouldn’t choose to drive it to the shops.
The end of the latest video where he says that with a bit of luck they will be in a position to fire it up in another 2 months or so.....Gordon Murray is 72 - there is a fair to middling chance he'll never get to drive it!
I think it's great (the build, not the videos).
If I had the money I would certainly want to do something like this - a retro car, but with modern engineering.
Top of my list would be a delorean probably - would seem to fit in the window of being retro/cool, but not so much to be sacrilege to modify it (etype, db5 etc).
What do you think it’s going to cost when it’s all done?
I would guess it will be around £500K
I think it was Gordon Murray who once said an item should always have at least two functions. Which maybe explains the foot rest/washer fluid tank.
cost thing seems irrelevant these days. uprated e-types selling for near on half a million and mini's going for £100k. He probably said try and keep it under £250k.
I would guess it will be around £500K
I’d have scoffed at that, but Singer Porsches are that sort of money and whilst they’re 911s and this is ‘only’ an Escourt they’re both simple cars and the doner car is a small part of the cost.
If you really want to mad, there are 10 original 911 Turbos being built at the moment that will cost between £1.1m and £1.4m depending on where you register them. They’re using original 1980s F1 1500cc V6 TAG-Porsche engines, detuned to a mere 530bhp. They’re water cooled of course which is tricky in a classic 911.
A Singer Porsche I think would be the car I would have chosen if I had tried a bit (a lot) harder at school and was in a position to spend silly money on one.
its going to be be one hell of a nice car when its finished but its no Binky
it upsets my that a rare Mk1 shell is used for another different car. I like it when owners change the engine for a pinto or a cosworth but should not rebuild the car.
Not sure this is any better or worse than a weekend warrior boy racer with delusions of grandieur suddenly deciding they want to do rallying and snap up MK1 body shells to build rally cars with which they'll just wrap around a tree in their first rally.
I'm all for modernising older cars...but there is a line to be drawn from which it no longer makes sense. You want to retain the traits (and imperfections) of the original and capture the character, but tune out some of the limitations to extract the maximum from the original design...Singer Porsche do this well, retaining the same suspension and engine whilst improving it and focus on things like re-engineering the body panels from CF, uprating brakes and engine etc. But to rip out the old MK1 suspension and replace with a double wishbone set up this thing will not resemble a MK1 Escort in any way shape or form so what's the point? It's a Triggers Broom job but starting off with a broom and ending up with a Dyson. If he likes the MK1 shape then it would have been better to space frame it and wrap it with a MK1 look-alike shell. But each to their own...it's his cash and his car...it will be a hoot whatever and will look spectacular.
I thought the rear suspension looked a bit Heath Robinson. How often do those bushes wear out? But what Mr Murray doesn't know about cars isn't worth knowing so I guess it's kosher
I remember reading in CCC many years back that Robin Herd of March F1 fame did loads of modifications to his rally escort around mass centralization, things like moving the engine back and relocating the fuel tank battery forward only to completely screw up the once legendary handling of the thing.
So it might be that some of the modifications aren't as successful as one would hope though I can't see having independent rear suspension being in any way a disadvantage over a live axle so long as the geometry isn't too funky and I'm sure GM has given it the once over to check before signing it off.
I can't wait to see it finished and I'd love to see a proper road test done on it as it'd be really interesting to hear what modern finishing does to an old car like that.
It lives. New episode out this evening
Sweeeeeet! The thrill and relief when an engine fires up for the first time!
I used to feel slightly out of control when using a fully programmable engine management system (albeit in the early days some 25 years ago), I knew where I was with distributors and points! An ecu with the complexity of all the various inputs made initial fault finding tricky and it looks like that hasn’t changed!
don't like the interior/dash :/
don’t like the interior/dash :/
I love it looks pretty simple and classy. Those vents are something else. :o)
That gear stick whatever ergonomic/practical needs it serves looks terrible.
Id love to see more of the Stratos..
Gordon Murray is about 9ft tall*. When it showed the seat and steering wheel fitting he was sat where the back seat would normally be. I guess the gear lever has to be cranked over so that he can reach it.
I like the dash. Very clean.
* an exageration.
Aye right enough. I remember now, when hes checking his RHS blind spot he's looking into the B pillar...
Aye right enough. I remember now, when hes checking his RHS blind spot he’s looking into the B pillar…
I drove a Hyundai Tucson with a similar arrangement once was very dangerous on the motorway.
Mega. These are not films for general consumption, they are labours of love that reflect the work on the car - if the lottery numbers come good, they're getting a call from me.
Nope, still prefer Binky.
A ****ing pimped Mini?!? You can have it! 🙂
Nope, still prefer Binky.
Given the glacial speed that they each release episodes, I've got enough room in my life for both 😉
I think they're different things. Binky is about the two guys running the channel, essentially what they work on; Binky or the Van is pretty irreverent, whereas Retropower is all about the engineering, it is after all an advert for them.
I prefer Binky for entertainment, as there's only so much info about dry sump tank welding I'm ultimately interested in (I know some folk could watch that stuff all day)
Choice; being a good thing since forever....
Should those numbers come up what kind of car would you have them build?
Oooo... Not an easy choice! 🙂 Stratos, GT40, RS1800, Stingray, Countach, Turbo 911, 512 - probably not that practical for daily use. This is dangerously uncool, but I have long had a soft spot for a Renault 5 Gordini Turbo, my cousin gave me a ride in one he was working on, like, 35 years ago (when it was a contemporary and early hot hatch), and in my head it was like hitching a ride on the Millenium Falcon. I'd have a Caterham or suchlike for track days, then the 5 for everyday use - small, retro but still pretty incognito, but sure you could fit a lump that would get decent poke. Teach it to stop and go round corners, job's a good 'un. 🙂
PS - I apologise for my Binky outburst and will not comment until I've watched an episode or two.
Mate, if you can't get passionate about cars what can you care about? The more viewpoints the better and they're all equally valid.
And to be clear I prefer Binky the show, I'm sure I'd prefer the Escort having had a few back in the day including a knackered Mexico. Someone told me what that bodyshell would be worth now!
They’ve started a new project:
Another episode of the Escort:
Dropped the same day as Binky too! It's Oasis v Blur all over again. The dramaaaaaaaaaa!
Very high quality build and probably a great car to drive but the finished result looks so understated it is actually dull. Could be the choice of colour.
It's what I love so much about it. No stripes, spotlights, big arches, anything like that. At a passing glance it just looks like a tidy but plain mk1. Hope Gordon Murray gets a lot of use out of it.
245 bhp & 175 ft/lb of torque is going shred those puny rear tyres and make it a handful in the wet 🙂 might need to add some ballast at the back or a dirty great big rear wing 😉
I really like how understated it looks. Enough subtle changes to make it unique if you look closely.
Be good to catch up with this.
They've got a wrinkle in that heat shield, can't see GM being happy with that? Looks like one of my invisiframe attempts.
I spoke to Nat a few years ago about prepping and painting the Shell of my Kadett C.
From a bare shell (All metalwork complete) to fully prepped, painted inside and out, he was talking £12-15k
People really have no idea how long this stuff takes to do properly until youve done it.
Ask Maxtorque how long his car has taken working solo...... 😉 (and its way ahead of anything on this escort, it really is in a different league)
My Kadett is similar in concept to this escort, Works 70's tarmac rally car, but think GT3RS trim level, with modern running gear and built to current WRC shell prep standards.
Its been in build for over 10 years now (With gaps in between due to work/family) and its not yet fully dry built - about 95% so far.
Thats the full build before it all comes apart again for plating / painting etc.
One day itll get finished
That is very pretty Escort.
Assuming the polishing guy charges around the £20 / hour sort of rate, that was a grand in polishing alone which puts the costs into perspective.
It's not what I'd ask them to make me (I think I just missed the Ford era, despite remembering going to primary school in a Mk1 Escort), but I really, really wouldn't mind a go - it's lovely. I really am in awe at the work involved.
Having a mate who runs his own detailing business (and another who runs a car bodywork/spray painting) i'd expect the bill for the detailing work done to be well upwards of £3k, that is not your average orange peel paintwork as you get on a mass market car from the car dealership, the quality and depth of mirror smooth finish would leave your jaw on the floor if you saw it in the flesh and the entire car was detailed, not just the paintwork.
Eg, got my new vw tiguan done by a mate who clay barred/depth test/compound polished/removed imperfections/ceramic coated everything and i paid £300 mates rates - took him 3 full/long days work on a brand new car and it should have cost twice as much.
Shirley it should be poo brown with a vinyl roof?
I admire the attention to detail, but it’s taken longer to build it than an Apollo space rocket 🤷♂️
my new vw tiguan done by a mate who clay barred/depth test/compound polished/removed imperfections/ceramic coated everything and i paid £300 mates rates – took him 3 full/long days work on a brand new car and it should have cost twice as much.
That's a lot of money to spend on washing a bog ordinary car.....did a bird crap on it next day !
Ha!, but yeah.......I have to agree with you it’s a bog ordinary suv 🚙 and sooooo wouldn’t be my vehicle of choice. Mobility lease vehicle unfortunately due to secondary progressive ms (progressing rather ****ing rapidly) and compared to my previous cars... 200bhp+ mk2 ABT built golf/190bhp twin webber mk2 scirocco and a year of driving a mates ABT tuned B7 RS4 etc I have to admit the Tiguan bores me to absolute tears but needs/must these end of days and i figure it’s the last vehicle I’ll manage to drive so I may as well make it as easy as possible to keep clean and presentable, obviously having the mates I have the engine and DSG gearbox have been remapped and forge intercooled/miltek exhaust so in a straight line it picks up ok (220bhp/430nm), it certainly ain’t no fully sorted mk2 golf rocket on bilstein B12s to throw about but I guess it keeps me mobile for now 😐
I have to agree that the looks are just a little too understated - not looking for giant stickers or bonnet scoops or anything, but its a bit too much like a full-on "sleeper" build for me.
Would like to see some more shots of the interior, and the engine compartment was absolutely beautiful
Some nice black four-spokes would set it off.
I love it but agree that white wouldn't be my first choice of colour for it. They did a brown one that looked magnificent.
A different take on RestoMod from America