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Can someone please explain the concept.
I've never watched it and wasn't sure I liked the idea of contestants trying to murder others to get a prize.
There doesn't seem to be anything 'kind' about it.
There really isn’t. It’s all about cloak and dagger double crossing.
Compelling viewing though. Well worth a watch from the beginning of series 1
Davina picks 3 traitors at random out of 20 odd punters and the remaining 17 ‘faithful’ have to guess who they are.
Every night they all vote who they think is a traitor, that person has to leave, revealing if they were a traitor or not. Same night, the traitors collaborate to murder someone (sometimes they can recruit another traitor instead of bump off). If any traitors are left at the end, they split the money that’s been won in games throughout the competition. If no traitors are left, the remaining faithful keep all the money. The faithful aren’t told if there are any traitors left at any point
It's like murder mystery, right, what you'd play as an after-dinner game in the 80s/ 90s.
Except it proved successful so now the BBC has gone friggin nuts with it, milking it for all its worth
I couldn't be bothered at first, but it's quite good - only the traitors know who they themselves are, so you also get double crossing too - you can discuss with 'others' who you think it might be. They also get tasks too so suspicions can come up. Try this season from the start or actually S1 first to 'get it'.
Of course we know who the 'baddies' are too.
I think it would be interesting to do a series edited so the viewers don’t know who the traitors are so you can try and guess yourself
Basically people crying and discussing their feelings.
Total **** and Mrs Zip will be watching avidly.
Sounds like the typical run of the mill celebrity codswallop I have zero interest in. Can't we just send them to America, set them free on the street with no money, and see how they fair?
MrsMC has decided to watch the celeb version.
There may be a murder after all
The first one to say "I'll nominate yourself" will forever be on my s hitlist
Even if it's Joe Marler (let's be frank, it won't be Stephen Fry)
Davina picks 3 traitors at random out of 20 odd punters and the remaining 17 ‘faithful’ have to guess who they are.
It's a variation of the Werewolf and Villagers game, created by a Russian political sociology student called Dimitry Davidoff in the eighties to demonstrate that an informed minority (the traitors) can easily overcome an uninformed majority (everyone else) through deception. His studies showed that the werewolves nearly always win.
Now you can do other, more interesting things with your time
@MoreCashThanDash, is there a patio crowd-funder?
I think it would be interesting to do a series edited so the viewers don’t know who the traitors are so you can try and guess yourself
Yeah I have always said the same myself.
Davina picks 3 traitors at random out of 20 odd punters and the remaining 17 ‘faithful’ have to guess who they are.
It's a variation of the Werewolf and Villagers game, created by a Russian political sociology student called Dimitry Davidoff in the eighties to demonstrate that an informed minority (the traitors) can easily overcome an uninformed majority (everyone else) through deception. His studies showed that the werewolves nearly always win.
Now you can do other, more interesting things with your time
This - its a televised version of the wolf game (which is great as a family game when there are a good number of people around).
Its TV - its a bit of fun (more fun with the celeb version). Don't need to be upset that people are "murdering" other people for a prize. Its a gameshow... Some people are far too sensitive...
Its TV - its a bit of fun (more fun with the celeb version). Don't need to be upset that people are "murdering" other people for a prize. Its a gameshow... Some people are far too sensitive...
Yep that's me and I'm quite happy being a sensitive, caring, kind person, too many entitled, me,me,me types out there imo. Not my idea of fun. Each to their own though :0)
I've never watched Traitors, but it sounds like it's a similar concept to the very addictive game my kids play called 'among us'.
Yep that's me and I'm quite happy being a sensitive, caring, kind person, too many entitled, me,me,me types out there imo. Not my idea of fun.
You can be kind and caring and still enjoy what is just a gameshow. No celebrities were harmed in the making of Celebrity Traitors.
FWIW, one of my daughters loves it, and she is the kindest, most gentle, quiet and unassuming people I know.
It's the BBC and Claudia W, so there's not really any murders or even blood — and it's less problematic than Strictly in terms of how people are treated.
But it is a bit tedious watching people say "I can tell you I'm 100% faithful" or "I'm sure X is a traitor" over and again while nobody (apart from the traitors) really knows anything.
And the tasks are boring and irrelevant filler.
Murdering!? It's no worse than playing this!...
And the tasks are boring and irrelevant filler.
Well they're not – that's how they win the prize money (although I agree they are the least interesting part of the show).
Well they're not – that's how they win the prize money (although I agree they are the least interesting part of the show).
I'd argue that's how they've been unconvincingly crowbarred in to pad out the running time, but I haven't watched it since S1 so perhaps it's been refined a bit.
the tasks aren't great as the aim in general is to add to the prize pot which all competitors will want to do. Occasionally there are little bonus individual prizes like a day of immunity.
They need to make the games/prizes more geared towards the rewards benefiting the faithful and being harmful/useless to the traitors which would add more difficulty as they would then have to fake being useless but not enough to arouse suspicion.
The tasks aren't strictly necessary for the game but given the daily pacing of banizhment and murder they'd go stir crazy if they were just stuck in the castle 24/7. Also the tasks mean they're put into different groups and perhaps display other sides of their behavior which everyone else then observes and analyses. And of course the car journeys each way are another prime breeding ground for scheming. So overall I reckon it'd much less entertaining without the tasks.
As other have said its a pretty simple hidden traitor concept elevated by a great setting and high production values.
Its the most "ITV2" thing you are likely to see on BBC1 but its produced with just enough gloss to get away with it. Also at the start of every season i get to annoy my wife by saying "Did you know Danny MacAskill jumped off that railway bridge".
link please?
To Danny MacAskill jumping, not the Traitors
It's essentially a televised version of Among Us, so small* child who loves that inevitably watches The Traitors. I'm not sure I can be bothered, even though Destination X was similar for people who know nothing about geography.
I'm sure Celebrity Traitors would be enormously improved by pushing celebs out of an airlock, mind you.
*12 so only relatively
I don't mind it, but some of the faux fear people project is tiresome. I mean why would anyone be scared of Claudia in a black coat & a pair of galoshers?
I quite like the concept but cannot watch it for the same reason I can't watch any other TV which involves the general public. There seems to be an expectation that the moment the cameras switch on everyone is required to become an absolute cockwomble. I might watch the celebrity version as being cockwombles is basically their job so it will be more realistic. *Wondering if cockwomble gets past the swear filter*
It’s like Big Brother or Love Island, but for middle class people to watch
link please?
To Danny MacAskill jumping, not the Traitors
Boat of Garten station used for the Traitors and this Danny Mac video
I don't mind it, but some of the faux fear people project is tiresome. I mean why would anyone be scared of Claudia in a black coat & a pair of galoshers?
It's the only reason I watch it!
As a first time viewer last night, it was better than I expected. Celebs were intelligent and interesting, tasks weren't unpleasant or exploitative. Not the worst such programme to have on in the background.
There doesn't seem to be anything 'kind' about it.
Who wants kind? I've always said the main thing that could improve The Traitors was if the murders were real.
It's just good fun and quite an engaging watch, it's also about the only "celebrity" programme I'll watch. Not everything has to be highbrow...
It's alright. I can take it or leave it.
It must be a bit of a mind**** living there and not knowing who you can and can't trust.
Still sounds shite whatever you lot say.
From elsewhere on the Internet:
Footnotes: "Mafia" and "Werewolf" are essentially the same game reskinned. I don't know which came first.
"BotC" is Blood on the Clocktower, which is a complicated version of the same basic premise, only everyone has individual roles such as Fortune Teller with unique abilities. Some roles such as Drunk make a player believe they're a different character only they don't have that character's abilities. There are multiple official scenarios and many more fan-made ones so pick a theme (say "Red Dwarf") and someone will probably have written a set of characters and rules for them. It has a massive cult following.
Among Us is a video game where you're all on a spaceship and one+ of you is running around sabotaging things whilst trying not to get caught. It still has the Mafia/Werewolf elements - players can call meetings - but it has the added hook of running around doing stuff.
For raw fun, Among Us probably wins. For a spectator sport (like, say, on a TV series) BotC hands down would be a spectacle. I've played a couple of newbie-friendly games of BotC and it confused the crap out of me. 😁
Footnote to the footnotes:
I've never watched Traitors in any guise.
Claudia in a black coat & a pair of galoshers?
*rubs thighs Vic Reeves stylee*
I'm watching just because Paloma Faith is in it - I think she's great
I'm watching just because Paloma Faith is in it
I watched the first episode of season 2 BBC traitors and that was all I watched of it. Only good bit was pinning the castle venue on the map and having a quick read about the place.
My other thought was that the filming of the show might be compressed so that they film a few episodes per day and the production staff are the clever people behind the scenes that make you want to watch the next episode?
Apparently farting is funny, who knew
Its TV fluff, no need to overthink it.
The biggest case against it is that its success has spawned a slew of other deception based game formats on TV.
The biggest case against it is that its success has spawned a slew of other deception based game formats on TV.
I hear you loud & clear, case in point "Inheritance"
I'm beginning to fear for my wife's well being after seeing what she's been watching recently, in her defence she has got an illness that would have driven me to despair long before now.
We seem to have two threads running on it, maybe this one needs marking for the haters
Yes, this one for those too cool to watch it, but comment on it nonetheless.
ok, we're hooked. now into the early episodes of series 2. i have a question that is puzzling me tho.
without wishing to give away any spoilers, (as its already been mentioned above), when wilf threw kieron under the bus, kieron outed him with his "this is my parting gift" comment which then cost wilf.
series 2, we now have another bout of double crossing amongst the traitors. my conundrum is this.....
if traitors 1 and 2 throw traitor 3 under the bus at the round table, when theyre banished (or even before at voting time), why doesnt traitor 3 just say "yeah you got me, i was double-crossed by x and y". or just 'cryptically' say, "heres your 30 pieces of silver judas" to out them mebbes.
obviously thatd be the end of the game unless theres some cunning strategy for every eventuality, so im just curious as to whats stopping them.
I think they sign an agreement not to reveal who the traitors are. Don’t know if it is legally binding, but if it is they could be sued. By the same token, an outed faithful could go to the press & reveal all. As far as I know, nobody has as yet. (Although I have seen a rumour about who wins Celebrity)
Watched for first time yesterday.
Nice castle.
Found it a bit slow.
Not many potential poker champions among the contestants, are there?
the main thing that could improve The Traitors was if the murders were real
I do believe you're on to something.