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Yeah, I think Chelsea are going to come unstuck as well, especially if they fail to make champions league, like everton they have spent expecting to finish higher, so have the double whammy of not getting any increase in revenue.
One thing is now, I think that revenue has peaked anyway, I don't think they can expect to squeeze any more out of future TV deals, so anyone gambling and expecting the revenue bubble to keep inflating is going to regret it.
My issue with this argument is that if City, Newcastle and maybe Chelsea had unlimited spending then every other club in the league would have 0 chance as they’d never be able to match them.
I could be wrong here but have Man Utd not outspent City and Chelsea since FFP rules were introduced? Unlimited spending is only going to produce trophies if the money is spent well, there's no guarantee of success. Newcastle are often called the 'richest club in the world' these days but they aren't, they have the richest owners in football but Premier League rules have stopped them doing anything remotely close to what Chelsea and City did years ago
It’s about what you spend versus income pothead. United, as Binners will tell you, are still by far the biggest football themed toothpaste seller in Malaysia, so yes, while they have spent more than others, their income/revenue has remained high.
So although Newcastle are the richest club in the world they cannot spend with impunity as their revenue outwith the Saudis isn’t high enough.
FFP also allows losses to be made, but not over a number of seasons. Amortisation - which is what Chelsea have done to spread fees over many years is also changing. The system is far from perfect but it does restrict carte Blanche spending to an extent. I think a lot of City’s charges are due to alleged creative accounting.
United, as Binners will tell you, are still by far the biggest football themed toothpaste seller in Malaysia, so yes, while they have spent more than others, their income/revenue has remained high.
One thing the Glazers have been very good at is the 'partnerships'. Man Yoos Twitter feed is forever announcing a new donut partner in Idaho, a potato partner in Bratislava and other such nonsense. They're really good at bringing the money in, but they're absolutely awful at spending it (once they've paid themselves their own massive dividends, obvs).
There was an article in Sundays Observer sport cataloguing the whole woeful shambles of Uniteds transfer dealings over the last ten years. It makes for tragic reading. Its not just the enormously inflated transfer fees for donkeys like Antony or Pogba, but the bit part players (Van De Beek etc) who are sat on 5-7 year contracts on absolutely crazy sums of money. Phil Jones was given a new 5 year contract, never played for the entire duration of it, but was still picking up £120,000 a week. Martial is on £250,000 a week+. So is Maguire. Cassameiro and Varane are both on £340,000 a week. As part of the loan deal, Sancho (who cost us 75 million) is back at the club we bought him from and we're still paying half his wages 😳
Its absolute ****ing madness! I think they must get the players agents to draw their dream contract up, then just sign it off
The point is that we'll never be bothering the FFP rules as despite being their financial affairs being an utter disgrace, its an affordable utter disgrace, given the clubs revenues
I thought Chelsea always intended to use their academy to generate income. I thought I read that years back. The model, to be at the very highest level the best current players must be bought in. To fund that, in part, a large academy generating decent players that attract a fee from others.
Ffp could be better in sure, the rules over what is Income are quite restricted.... ticket sales, TV money, player sales, shirt sponsorship..... think that's it.
Donut partner seems a reasonable income to include doesn't it?
Regardless of how they got there, City are an incredibly well run club and with all the success over the last decade, are now easily capable of spending without breaching FFP. They are already the highest revenue generating club in the world and the longer they are successful, the more kids grow up around the world supporting them, increasing that even more.
It’s about what you spend versus income pothead.
The point I was trying to make is that unlimited spending on transfers is not a guarantee of success on the pitch, as Man Utd have proven since Ferguson retired. The current rules have helped the teams that already high commercial incomes to contine inflating transfer fees and wages, and therefore made it harder for others to compete
The current rules have helped the teams that already high commercial incomes to contine inflating transfer fees and wages, and therefore made it harder for others to compete
Indeed. The rules are designed to keep the top six at the top. Not sure you could design a system that was more favourable to the top clubs. The trouble is that it risks the collapse of the league as a sporting contest. So many clubs are going to be hit with this and where you are in the table or whether you get relegated is going to be more about financial managment and transfer/wages dealing than what happens on the pitch. I'm sure the PSR rules will be binned though as soon as one of the top six clubs falls foul of them and risks getting relegated.
Not that it changes anything now of course
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68001701
Referees' chief Howard Webb says Liverpool should have been awarded a penalty in their 1-1 draw with Arsenal for a Martin Odegaard handball.
Mohamed Salah's flick-on hit Odegaard's hand in the penalty area in the first half at Anfield on 23 December.
Referee Chris Kavanagh did not award the hosts a penalty and the video assistant referee (VAR) reviewed the incident and confirmed the decision.
"The game expects a penalty in this situation. I would agree," said Webb.
When the incident happened, Kavanagh said: "No, his hand's on the floor. His hand's on the floor."
The incident is then checked and VAR David Coote says the ball "clearly hits his arm", then after looking at another angle says: "So he is falling down, he's moving his arms in towards him, so it's check complete for me." The assistant VAR Lee Betts then agrees.
Speaking on Match Officials Mic'd Up, a Premier League Productions programme which analyses VAR decisions from previous gameweeks, Webb says: "The referee on the field recognised that Odegaard had slipped and saw his arm go towards the ground.
"This is not just Odegaard accidentally falling on to the ball. He does slip, his arm does go out, but he actually pulls his arm back in towards his body, which is when the ball makes contact with the arm.
"The VAR looked at that aspect. He felt it was a case of Odegaard trying to make himself actually smaller by bringing the arm back towards the body. That is the element that's important here.
"Whether it's instinctive or deliberate, he gets a huge advantage by bringing the arm back towards the ball. All the feedback we got afterwards was very clear.
"This is one that didn't reach the right outcome on that basis."
Not that it changes anything now of course
True, but it makes me feel like I'm not losing the plot when a decision like that is made about a really clear handball. That feeling of not understanding the modern game, and weighing up if it's worth it anymore, is reprieved for another month or two.
City are an incredibly well run club and with all the success over the last decade, are now easily capable of spending without breaching FFP. They are already the highest revenue generating club in the world
I always hear this claim, but am a bit mystified how City have a greater revenue than the established "big clubs" Madrid, Liverpool, United etc.. Tottenham are only just in the conversation despite the NFL games, Formula 1, Boxing events, multiple concerts per year, sold out season tickets with a 10 year waiting list - how are Man City achieving this despite not being able to fill their own ground during Champions League matches?
how are Man City achieving this despite not being able to fill their own ground during Champions League matches?
I suspect it’s a combination of winning multiple trophies and all the sponsorship/tv money off the back of it, not having owners who are fleecing them for millions and those attendance claims being nonsense
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/besucherzahlen/wettbewerb/GB1/saison_id/2022
Not to mention some made up sponsors
Enjoyed watching Forest fans celebrating scoring a 2nd half extra time goal last night against a league 1 side as if they'd won the FA Cup. Giving it the "who are ya?" etc. Tragic...
Enjoyed watching Forest fans celebrating scoring a 2nd half extra time goal last night against a league 1 side as if they’d won the FA Cup. Giving it the “who are ya?” etc. Tragic…
I work with one of them. The rarified atmosphere of the Premier League has inflated their sense of themselves. My Wolves supporting manager had to walk away when I unpicked his ridiculous sense of entitlement on Tuesday.
Ioswich were a great side at the same time Forest were - 40 years ago. Get over yourselves. Your just a small town near Derby...
Ol' Lauren James is one cool cookie!
Loving the Bournemouth fans singing “you’re just a shit Andy Caroll!” To Nunez 😂
It'll be hysterical for them in the second half when he sets one up and scores one
You were saying….
😂
Boom. Shit Andy Carroll my arse 😜
binners just beat me to it.
Must have a crystal ball!😀
I’m assuming it’s the Liverpool fans chanting it now? 😂
Liverpool are looking good, I wonder if they and city will stretch clear over the next month or so. What's with the kit though? Another new one?
Powerful second half, especially without Salah, Trent, Robertson (and his back up) and Szoboszlai. They’d probably all start in the strongest side, maybe Matip too. Really strong squad now, just missing a clogger at 6 to replace Fabinho, although Mac Allister was classy there today.
Klopp leaving. Noooooooooo!
Not sure there are many people I think are well placed to replace him, maybe Alonso?
All the backroom staff going too and he told the board in November, apparently. Makes me think there is someone lined up already - yeah, I’d have Alonso, but a gamble given relative inexperience. I’d actually be happy to see Eddie Howe get it, if he does get the boot.
He might be tired now but I can see him rocking up at Real Madrid in 18 months time after he's found retirement to be a little dull.
Just shy of 10 years by the end of the season. He'll be hugely missed.
Alonso is the obvious fit, assuming his availability.
I’d actually be happy to see Eddie Howe get it, if he does get the boot.
Eddie Howe is going nowhere (apart from England when Southgate gets bored of it). Obviously it won't happen but I'm hoping romanticism gets the better of them and Gerrard gets the job. 😀
Makes me think there is someone lined up already
Perhaps the announcement is make it clear the position is available so contenders should hold off on extending current deals.
I also think he will end up at Real in 18 months time if not sooner.
but I’m hoping romanticism gets the better of them and Gerrard gets the job
They could swap Salah to Saudi for Gerrard to return...
I’m not sure he’d deal that well with the (even bigger) egos at a club like Real Madrid. I think he’s better suited to a club with a bit of a chip on its shoulder, so to speak.
Gernan national team for a bit? They’re poor though.
As long as Mbappe doesn't join, are there any damaging egos at the club at the moment, the big stars in the current team seem pretty good characters, Bellingham, Vinicius, Rodrygo etc I think Klop could work his prefered tactics really well with the core of the current Madrid squad.
If Citeh win Champs League this year I can see Guardiola having a sabbatical again
Heh heh!
Ten Hag and big Jim have scared off Klopp, Pep next.
On a more serious note, de Zerbi?
On a more serious note, de Zerbi?
Nah he's shit mate. Better off with Big Ange or Emery.
Surely those streetwise scousers aren't that silly are they ?
Before he signed his current deal he was talking about retiring for a while and heading back to Germany and enjoying life, i was amazed he signed such a long deal after that, so no real surprise he's looking at maybe taking a break from football for a while, i just don't see Klopp disappearing to another club any time soon, maybe back in Germany with Dortmund when he's recharged.
Four "proper" trophies in eight years and two of those won on penalties. Would Liverpool fans be happy with that from Klopp's replacement?
No, you can't have Keiran McKenna!
The trophy count doesn't tell you how closely he ran Man City for years who have one of the best managers ever and endless resources. It's like using an argument that Darren Fletcher was a better footballer than Steven Gerrard because he won more trophies.
Alonso, if Reading don't come calling.
Four “proper” trophies in eight years and two of those won on penalties. Would Liverpool fans be happy with that from Klopp’s replacement?
I'm no fan of Liverpool, but trophies tell part of the story in this day and age, Liverpool have been run well, are well within the FFP, unlike a few clubs around them, and have a decent squad just now that's pretty lean in terms of costly players sitting in the stands or veterans eeking out their last year or two. Whoever takes over in the summer will have a pretty good squad to start with, with funds available and by the looks of it, CL football and more probably, next year we might see Man City with a bit of a cull if FFP hits, ManU having to sell to buy and so on, so higher chances of winning more.
Four “proper” trophies in eight years and two of those won on penalties. Would Liverpool fans be happy with that from Klopp’s replacement?
Yep. Ever supported a team on a cup run, or going for a championship? Imagine the fun you can have 'only' being in 4 European finals, for starters. It could well be more than four trophies by the end of this season.
Not sure why winning on penalties is an issue; pretty sure a European Cup win still counts on pens.
Doesn’t matter how you win it. Winning the champions league on penalties can be a truly wondrous thing. There surely can’t be many things more joyous than this… 😃
Probably Anton Ferdinand's favourite video.
Yeah the trophies count is silly. Just ask Harry Kane 😝
Reality is they’ve been the only side to push City. It’d have been a procession for seven years without Klopp, no wonder he’s spent.
Also agree Liverpool look in good shape for the next manager. However, things change very quickly dont they - Salah future, VVD and Trent contracts, did some of the new players sign more because of Klopp, will young players like Jones be afforded the same opportunities? United after Fergie is how not to do it.
lucky it wasn't a man with ice for blood binners
Unusual to see him stay on his feet for that length of time 😉
Eddie Howe?
Jesus, that hypocritical ****? Perish the thought of anybody associated with that shitshow going on in Newcastle.
still probably one of the coolest penalties ever taken in professional football
You do have to admire the studied nonchalance
Having been going to games all my life, it was only a couple of years ago, at an FA Cup game, that it I actually witnessed a penalty shoot out live for the first time* actually in the ground. They only ever happen in the odd big cup game or internationals. Never in league games
It’s absolutely horrible! The tension is unbearable!
No way does watching it on telly remotely do it justice
Stuart Pierce said the walk from the half way is the loneliest walk you’ll ever take, and he would know. You need balls like water melons for penalty shoot outs
* yes it was when we went out to Middlesbrough
It was bad enough playing for the school - god knows what the walk feels like as a pro with the crowd, TV and internet etc!
BIG ANGE IS TAKEN! STEP AWAY FROM THE HIGH LINE, NOW!!!
In reality, I don't think Ange is proven yet, can't see Liverpool wanting him.
The well run comment is interesting, yes, very much yes in many ways (football) but...fenway sports is as fragile as Glazier Inc and as committed.
Jesus, that hypocritical ****? Perish the thought of anybody associated with that shitshow going on in Newcastle.
Calm down man. It's just a game.
cracking goal for maidstone!
Superb goal! Bit of a Klopp style goal that one!
Cracking goal that.
Meanwhile, I think I’ll be a cottager for a day. 🙂
Looks like we'll be keeping McKenna for a bit longer then....
Whilst it does do away with a distraction in the very close race for 2nd in the Championship I can't help feeling that game isn't the greatest confidence booster. 38 v 2 attempts and we lose 2-1
Whilst it does do away with a distraction in the very close race for 2nd in the Championship I can’t help feeling that game isn’t the greatest confidence booster. 38 v 2 attempts and we lose 2-1
It's all gone perfectly:
1) First time in 13 years we've even reached this round.
2) Concentrate on the league
3) Avoids distracting cup run
4) Avoids exhausting replays
5) Keeps premiership clubs away from McKenna, as he can't even beat Maidstone!
Maidstone were well drilled, disciplined, hard working, stuck to their plan and carried it out brilliantly, a fine effort by the manager and the players. Despite the result, I hope they get themselves a big money draw in the next round, because they earned it.
Absolutely, can't say they didn't deserve it and their two goals were well worked and well taken. Their keeper also wasn't his money, especially once he got over the initial jitters, some of our shots were a bit soft but he played a blinder
Feels like ages since we've had a premier league full weekend.
Probably emphasises how tough management is nowadays. Although Clough and Bill Shankly might disagre as they weren't multi millionaires.
Getting ready for the Black Country Derby...been in pub since 8.30 and just heading to the ground. Come on you Baggies 🔵⚪
just weird 😕
The baggies fans definitely playing their part.
We’re in for an interesting second half, they have to come out and we love playing on the break.
The atmosphere on the TV is great, must be unbelievable in the ground!