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''FFS! Just like playing for Spurs....''
(H. Kane - Allianz Arena)
I said to one of my kids this morning, Isak will get 30 this season.
30 is a tad optimistic IMO, not many strikers have hit 30 even in teams who dominated the PL. Low 20's will be a good return for Isak.
30 is a tad optimistic IMO, not many strikers have hit 30 even in teams who dominated the PL. Low 20’s will be a good return for Isak.
When he came back from injury last season, there was one striker who had a better goals per minute played and that was the Cyberdyne System at Citeh.
Having seen the opening day fixtures now it's clear why Chelsea and Liverpool were so desperate for Caicedo but here's an idea - as he's worth so much let him play for both of them, £55M each
And that's still more than United* paid for Tonali, who looks like setting the league on fire from what I saw in the preseason highlights but then Saturday as well. He never went missing, always looking to get on the ball and make things happen and some of his vision - the pass for Barnes for Wilson's goal, he did similar in preseason - first touch, perfect accuracy and weight and with the like of Barnes, Gordon, Almiron running beyond the defenders I think we'll see a few more like that. He is a player!
* mark my words, the old order is changing. When we discuss United in the future it'll be the black and white we think of 😉
I think the most important questions we need to ask about this weekends football are:
1. Who’s idea was it to have Daniel Sturridge in as a pundit?
2. Why did he come dressed as the man from Del Monte?
3. How many weeks can he remain alive before Roy Keane murders him?
Classic Keano facial expressions here 😂
https://twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/1690786900011888640?s=20
Another mercenary journeyman off to overpaid semi-retirement in Saudi, to be met by a collective shrug from everybody. I bet PSG can't believe their luck getting shut of him for that price
Off you pop...
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1691030242473734145?s=20
Came here just to echo the above - given the clubs he's played for since Barca he's clearly not willing to test himself against the best & is happiest swimming in Scrooge McDuck's money pool.
Well Newcastle are off to a flying start.
TBF the match was a lot tighter than the score would suggest. I think a lot of it is down to the fitness of the whole squad, the fact that 2 of the goals came in the last 15 minutes says a lot.
Shame to see that injury to Tyrone Mings, will probably see him out for the rest of the season. It looked like nothing at all!
Next week they have to face Citeh, it would be amazing to get 3 points, can't see it though but 1 point would be very good.
Based on one game (yeah stupid I know but sod it) I'm gonna stick my neck out and say the toon will be doing more than challenging for a top four place this season. That midfield combined with the pace up front is going to bulldozer an awful lot of teams. Last season we relied on our defensive strength, and now that's looking like the weakest/most fragile part of the team. I guess we'll find out just how good they against city at the weekend. I'm almost hoping we get beat so we can resist the urge to get completely carried away. 😳
Never forget Daz... its the hope that kills you
Based on one game (yeah stupid I know but sod it) I’m gonna stick my neck out
I think I agree with you. But I don't want to "jinx" it!
Tonali and Barnes look excellent additions.
Gordon looks like the player we thought we had got last season.
Isak will only get better.
Saturday night will give a real indication, then off to Liverpool after that.
Its Keano's birthday so in honour of the great man, shall we just take a moment to have a bit more of the on screen chemistry between him and Daniel Sturridge ....
https://twitter.com/HLTCO/status/1690991321622687744?s=20
😂
<p>Predictions for tonight? I can’t see anything other than a stroll for United. Wolves seem in disarray, have lost Neves and a decent manager in Lopetugui. Relegation candidates I think. </p>
You'd like to think it would be a stroll, but never underestimate our ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
Wolves do seem to have been on a downward trajectory since Nuno Espírito Santo left though
In other news it appears West Ham have come to their senses and neither Maguire or McTominay are now headed there. Just what we need... another two Phil Jones's on our books, sitting with their feet up, seeing out their contracts on 200 grand a week 🙄
ETH is trying his best to push Maguire out of the door, while saying he is welcome to stay, it is absolutely hilarious to see him trying to bite his tongue and not just scream "will you just **** off".
Maguire just isn't reading the room.
He's not a bright lad, is he? I don't know about reading the room, it really doesn't get much clearer than this.
He might as well have just said 'don't let the door hit your arse on the way out slabhead'.
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1690983631928336385?s=20
Predictions for tonight?
Martial to start and subbed off injured inside 15 minutes.
Its Keano’s birthday so in honour of the great man, shall we just take a moment to have a bit more of the on screen chemistry between him and Daniel Sturridge ….
it's the collab we never knew we needed but absolutely deserve! Daniel's lack of spacial awareness is so so good as well 😆
Committed ABU Mrs Binners has put her customary bet against us on and might as well have a Wolves top on
This playing it out from the back lark looks about as confidence-inspiring as it did when TH tried it at the start of last season, and we all know how that went
How is that not a penalty? We have been robbed!
On that performance, I’m pretty sure we can stay up, just need to take our chances.
Ah, those pens are always hard to give, you can see both sides, but it's old trafford so even less chance of getting it 😂
Think ManU need to work out how they stop players walking through their midfield, that was unreal watching them just let Wolves players go through so easy and unchallenged.
Oh yeah, Garnacho and Antony are a pain to watch as well, fall over, complain, blame everyone else, repeat, the manager needs to sort their attitudes out a fair bit.
* knows how we got three points out of that. We didn’t deserve one. If Wolves had anyone who could hit a barn door with a shovel then we’d have been three down by half time. Played us off the park.
Ten Hag has started this season like he started last one. Attempting to play a style of football where nobody knows what the * they’re doing or where they’re supposed to be. Absolutely dire! I hope he ditches it as quickly as he did last season. We just can’t play that style of football . He can’t scapegoat Dave any more.
Good start by Mason Mount though. The only time I saw him touch the ball, he actually fell over it 🙄
Wolves made a mockery of my relegation fodder comment. Although if they can’t score playing so well and having so many chances then they will go down! United lacklustre but early days. Casemiro looked pretty alone in central midfield, missing Fred?!
Seriously, I can’t understand how VAR can look at that and decide it isn’t a penalty.
Seriously, I can’t understand how VAR can look at that and decide it isn’t a penalty.
We suffered plenty of the same corrupt VAR decisions last year. Remember Anfield in the cup when they said the cameras had not worked!!
Teams like Wolves will never get decisions against the big clubs, the officials make sure of that. If Sa had taken out Rashford at the other end, what do you think the decision would be?
Not sure whether this has been done elsewhere, but it's relative to the new season, Mason Greenwood and his potential return.
Personally, it was stories like this that pushed me away from the sport many years ago before my son got me back into watching it again. There's no way I'd allow him to wear a Greenwood top, not a likely situation as he is a Citeh fan, but the feeling stands.
Looks like Man Utd are setting him up to return going off the we'll have to consult the womens team story that came out over the weekend,,,
How do you Man Utd fans feel about this?
How do you Man Utd fans feel about this?
I never want to see him in a United shirt ever again. And every other United fan I know feels the same.
But given that all our owners care about is money and he’s still under contract, I’ve also noted that they seem to be ‘rolling the pitch’ for his return. Apparently he’s training, but not with the team. It won’t play well with the supporters, that’s for sure.
Let’s all cheer the wifebeater, eh? No… let’s not.
Just one more reason to despise the morality free parasites that are the Glazer family, who (as was always obvious) have no intention of selling the club. This whole charade has been a scam to leverage more debt to load on the club while they rip more hundreds of millions out for themselves
Reassuring to hear Binners, but the way the women's football team have been targeted on social media has worried me. At least it sounds like it's the silent minority or an army of bots as opposed to a feeling that he's not been convicted so he's innocent t and he can play again.
He'll no doubt surface at another club even if Utd let him go, such is the dreadfull morality vacuum at a lot of clubs. I'm not sure you can just blame the Glazers for this, although symptomatic of weak leadership.
Hopefully last night's protest helped.
as opposed to a feeling that he’s not been convicted so he’s innocent t and he can play again.
Surely he is innocent until proven guilty?
He seems to be a very unpleasant person but the police dropped all charges when "new material came to light".
The evidence that first showed up would suggest he was absolutely guilty, however, the police dropped the charges.
Is it fair that he isn't allowed to work again, in his profession, on unproven allegations?
My understanding is that the complainant has withdrawn cooperation with the CPS and they have reassessed the case and realised they would be unlikely to secure a prosecution.
Agree he is technically innocent until.proven guilty, but the stuff in the public domain would surely give anybody or organisation pause for thought about employing him or wanting him around? Really disappointed that 'senior' players are said to be okay with him returning, none them have female relatives?
but the stuff in the public domain would surely give anybody or organisation pause
This 100%, the audio recording is disturbing to say the least.
This 100%, the audio recording is disturbing to say the least.
Agree 100%.
However, he is "innocent" and all charges have been dropped.
Where does it end?
My understanding is that the complainant has withdrawn cooperation with the CPS and they have reassessed the case and realised they would be unlikely to secure a prosecution.
Agree he is technically innocent until.proven guilty, but the stuff in the public domain would surely give anybody or organisation pause for thought about employing him or wanting him around? Really disappointed that ‘senior’ players are said to be okay with him returning, none them have female relatives?
The complainant has had a baby with Greenwood since this began, got engaged and are living together as a couple, honestly, there's probably a lot of teenage behaviour as well as bad stuff, but they're together, they appear happy, he has not been charged with anything, i think he needs to go abroad to avoid all the backlash, but that's probably the worst thing for his soon to be wife and child!
It's a weird one, but probably a move somewhere in the UK, not far away from her support network is the best thing for the family.
Wouldn't give Keane the time of day if I met him as it's possible as he also catches the boat over. Fabricated and constructed a set of issues in Saipan. Insulted non Irish players and management and directly led to the loss of potential talent through the diaspora we rely on. 62 caps and only our third best player.
I’m not sure you can just blame the Glazers for this, although symptomatic of weak leadership.
They own the club. They are presently his employer. They could terminate his contract this afternoon if they wanted to. I don't give a flying **** if he's been convicted of anything or not. He's a nasty, violent abuser and I don't want to see him in a United Shirt ever again
This Guardian article sums it up and points to the ethical vacuum at the top of the club
https://twitter.com/jonathanliew/status/1691344733627645952?s=20
Let’s all cheer the wifebeater, eh? No… let’s not.
Right up until he scores the winner against City with injury time. He'll then be the golden boy again.
Not with me he won't. I doubt he would be with anyone except a minority of idiots. Read that Guardian article and it pretty much sums up my opinion on it. I don't think he should ever put on a United shirt ever again. Simple as that
Heres another article for you on the whole sorry farce
https://twitter.com/danielstorey85/status/1691336947162390529?s=20
Even though the CPS decided the evidence against Greenwood was insufficient to mount a criminal prosecution, here is a quick run through of what we do know, for the “he wasn’t convicted” crowd. There is audio of Greenwood shouting abuse and allegedly threatening to rape a woman, despite her protests. There were pictures of bruises and fresh blood wounds. If there is a watertight argument on grounds of morality, this is it. How much consulting does it take to work that out?
Utterly spineless of United to announce they're "consulting the women's team" before reaching their decision. They've created a handy scapegoat if his contract gets ripped up, and those poor women have already been targeted on social media.
Here's (hopefully) how the majority of United/football fans feel:
https://twitter.com/UnitedStandMUFC/status/1689940298334412800
That guardian article is bang on. Substitute Greenwood for say, Scott McTominay, and it’d have been dealt with months, years ago.
Luton Town Season Ticket Holder here. Along for the ride, its going to be an interesting season.
Well the Berkshire Behemoth is off and running now with a with a complete annihilation of Cheltenham (Pop 200).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66502508
Chelsea sign yet another player. Even as a Chelsea supporter this whole situation is just unreal. Bonkers
Even if you ignore the actual amount spent (which is dodgy state level) the wholesale spend in January was mad, the unloading in the earth suggested a reality check, which has been completely negated by the last few days. Mad and depressing
Even as a Chelsea supporter this whole situation is just unreal. Bonkers
The net spend over the last 12 months is utterly insane! I just can’t work out how you can possibly even hope to stay within the FFP rules.
They were talking about this on the Monday Night Club last night. Apparently if you’d have been in the champions league this year you’d have been in contravention of the latest UEFA rules which the FA haven’t implemented yet
You’re apparently getting round it by Boelly structuring players contracts to get round the existing FA rules, but then Citeh have been making a mockery of ‘the rules’ for years anyway
I’m just jealous, obviously, at the concept of having owners putting money into a club, rather than taking as much as possible out of it
As for the players you’ve signed… are you employing Jurgan Klopp as a scout? 😂
The thread is about 2023/24 season but it is deeply depressing and concerning that the few posts about mason greenwood didn't gain more traction.
As for his employers - amoral, emotionally cold, money before principle, duplicitous, despicable, panderers to the lowest common denominator who are racists, misogynists and bigots.
A football club with no moral compass.
As for the thread and the season, my team is and always has been NUFC; first time at St James' was when Wyn Davies was playing centre forward so I go back a very long way.
Money corrupts - and allows those in possession of it to make 'difficulties' go away.
few posts about mason greenwood didn’t gain more traction.
We all know what a disgusting individual Greenwood is and maybe this is worthy of its own thread as a deeper societal issue with some young men and exacerbated if they are famous, an asset and very wealthy but i see this thread as being a more lighthearted football banter one, similar to the rugby thread but with a big sport.
On a positive note, 3 of the people who will apparently decide his fate are playing in a World Cup semi-final in a couple of hours. A lot more than he's ever managed.
We've already covered how disgusting it is that they've been put in that position in the first place, but I hope they win this thing, come home victorious, then say "Mason who...? Tell him to * off, the vile wife-beating *!'
I’m just jealous, obviously, at the concept of having owners putting money into a club, rather than taking as much as possible out of it
Uh huh...
https://www.football365.com/news/transfers-premier-league-five-year-net-spend-man-utd-man-city
Spending money badly still counts.
Oh god, not this again.
*sigh*
Yes, I'm well aware they've spent inordinate amounts of money (really, really, really badly).
The point is that you're hardly likely to find Manchester United's owners being pulled up for potentially breaching Financial Fair Play rules. Why? Because a huge chunk of the enormous revenues generated by the club are paid in share dividends and consultancy fees to our absentee owners and in servicing the enormous leveraged debt that they loaded onto the club, which stands at exactly the same now as it was when they 'bought' it.
The latest ruse of pretending to sell the club was just a way of establishing a valuation, which they can then use to essentially remortgage the club and load it with even more debt, while pulling yet more hundreds of millions out for themselves
So.... yes, I am a bit jealous of clubs who's owners not only want to plough ALL their revenues back into the club, but more besides
My god. I'm trying, I really am, but women's football is verging on the unwatchable. The problem is that the gap in quality from what we're used to in the men's game is massive, so watching it is just all a bit meh..
What men's football do you mean/do you watch? If you mean Champion's League or Premier League then of course. OTOH I've seen Reading twice recently at the bottom of the Championship and now in the EFL1, and while the pace and power is different class, the technique and precision isn't much different, and because it isn't being played at a million miles an hour it's an easier watch for me. Lower league stuff can be dreadful. For sure, Reading would probably put 10 past either of these sides, but that's not the point....it's two evenly matched sides playing a decent, structured game.
Tell me James' goals against China aren't quality.
My god. I’m trying, I really am, but women’s football is verging on the unwatchable.
Whilst I agree there is a difference in quality between the men's and women's games, I wouldn't say it is unwatchable. There's been a few really nice long balls from both teams early on in today's game (no idea of players involved as I have sound muted and it's a small screen) and throughout the tournament, there's been some cracking goals, great 'keeping and great spirit shown by all teams.
"The point is that you’re hardly likely to find Manchester United’s owners being pulled up for potentially breaching Financial Fair Play rules."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66203315#:~:text=Manchester%20United-,Man%20Utd%20fined%20%C2%A3257%2C000%20by%20Uefa,mino r'%20Financial%20Fair%20Play%20breach&text=Manchester%20United%20have%20been%20fined,place%20between%202019%20and%202022.
Manchester United have been fined 300,000 euros (£257,000) by Uefa for a "minor" breach of Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules. They were one of a number of clubs sanctioned by Uefa under FFP rules in place between 2019 and 2022.
Maybe check the facts before posting? United proven to have breached FFP. City cleared of doing so by CAS.
Nice goal.
Unwatchable
Sorry, I meant unstoppable! Top bins!
That was a blinder.
can you tell me that was unwatchable?
It was a decent goal. My problem is not that, it's the general pace of the game. By the same measure I have major trouble watching Italian or Spanish football. For me what makes football a great sport to watch is the pace and the low margin for error, and that's what's missing from the women's game.
Anyway, I think the women's team have a very good chance of winning the WC. They at least don't seem to have the fear of winning that the men's team have.
Conversely it's the ability to play at pace that makes the lower level of the men's game hard to watch, the pace overcomes the ability and it just degrades
Well watch Formula 1 then
Oh that's low.
Great goal by Kerr.
That last England goal was a good example of what I'm talking about. There were three australian defenders and they didn't pick up the single English runner, and then the shot from Russo should have been saved easily. It's schoolboy stuff.
That last England goal was a good example of what I’m talking about. There were three australian defenders and they didn’t pick up the single English runner, and then the shot from Russo should have been saved easily. It’s schoolboy stuff.
The goalkeeping I agree with - she was slightly out of position, but the build-up from Hemp was fantastic. When she had the ball on the centre-circle I was wondering what the hell she was doing (as she looked slightly out of control and was going to give it away) but, great credit to her, she got the ball under control and made a fantastic, defence-splitting pass to Russo. What was the defence meant to do? Put a boot in and give away a free-kick in a very dangerous position? I am not sure you fully understand the game @dazh.
BBC reporting Laporte to Al-Nassr
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66519408/blockquote >
Another player heading off to semi retire early.Regarding Chelsea, is their scouting technique to basically just sign anyone they fancy then work out if they want to keep them?
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BBC reporting Laporte to Al-Nassr
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66519408Another player heading off to semi retire early.
Regarding Chelsea, is their scouting technique to basically just sign anyone they fancy then work out if they want to keep them?
In the words of General Melchett: Great Scott! Even you know it!
What was the defence meant to do? Put a boot in and give away a free-kick in a very dangerous position?
At 2-1 down probably yes, but equally letting her take the shot on you hope the keeper would have the angle right anyway. It wasn't a glaring error but one "she'd be disappointed to concede"
The England ladies would get smashed by any semi-pro mens team. Just by their sheer physicality.
It's a contact sport after all.
However, that doesn't mean that it's not entertaining to watch 2 skillful, evenly matched teams. There were 3 very good goals in that last match.
but equally letting her take the shot on you hope the keeper would have the angle right anyway. It wasn’t a glaring error but one “she’d be disappointed to concede”
I agree (as I said in my post) - she didn't quite have her angles covered, but then I don't think she was expecting that defence-splitting pass.
Regarding Chelsea, is their scouting technique to basically just sign anyone they fancy then work out if they want to keep them?
Thats how all football clubs work.
Clubs like Man UTD. They pay lads at 16, £1,000 a week. 1-10 of them might make it, but its cheaper to pay 10 kids £1,000 a week and get 1 that succeeds in the end , than it is to buy 1 player in their early 20's that costs them millions!
My god. I’m trying, I really am, but women’s football is verging on the unwatchable. The problem is that the gap in quality from what we’re used to in the men’s game is massive, so watching it is just all a bit meh.
Hmm - just watched some of it with my son. We agreed that the quality wasnt great in todays game (and the tournament so far), but then when have England mens ever played good quality football in cup competitions. They are always more scrappy.
Yes women's football isnt as physical, but the technical ability does equal the mens, just go and watch a few games. The mens game could learn a lot from the womens game, and I think will have to in the long run if it isnt to loose some popularity to the womens game. Women respect the referee a lot more, tend not to go down in hard tackles and the environment / culture of the games are just so much nicer.
Yes women’s football isnt as physical, but the technical ability does equal the mens, just go and watch a few games. The mens game could learn a lot from the womens game, and I think will have to in the long run if it isnt to loose some popularity to the womens game. Women respect the referee a lot more, tend not to go down in hard tackles and the environment / culture of the games are just so much nicer.
I have to agree with this.
I hate mens football, like really hate it. I never watch it and take absolutely no interest in it whatsoever. I can't stand the fanning about and rolling on the floor trying to win free kicks and penalties along with the shit attitude towards the ref that players had last tine I watched a match.
The women's game may not be as physical but there seems to be a high level of skill and none of the pathetic theatrics of the men's game.
The men could learn a thing or two from them, I'd suggest.
That was definitely a very watchable match with good skills and great attitude.
There is a separate thread dedicated to the Women's world cup.
I can’t stand the fanning about and rolling on the floor trying to win free kicks
The women’s game may not be as physical but there seems to be a high level of skill and none of the pathetic theatrics of the men’s game.
This is what I used to think, but my son now plays to a very high level, and I hate to say it, but you can see why on occasions in the men's game why they end up going down. The mens game is brutal. for example my son is a striker and sometimes he comes home with his legs studded and chest etc bleeding/bruised from people trying to pull him down. He is strong and powerful and at the moment doesnt go down. But we know that will count against him in future. Theres been times when hes finished a game and his coaches have told him he should have gone down as it would have got them a penalty.
Women are still very physical but IMO much more respectful of each other and the game.
We agreed that the quality wasnt great in todays game (and the tournament so far), but then when have England mens ever played good quality football in cup competitions. They are always more scrappy.
Its not just Engerland. The standard of football played in international tournaments is generally absolutely bloody awful from all involved. Its not a patch on the Premier League or Champions League
Towards the end of my stellar career i played in a sunday morning league and the standards then were pretty awful and the stink of Stella Artois was even worse.
Aaaaah... them we're't days. I miss watching my mates projectile vomitting on the halfway line after breaking into an ill-advised, hungover run
Maybe they could enliven world cup matches by making the teams pull a massive all-nighter session the night before? Dodgy pills, 3am kebabs, the lot....
😀
Definitely, that's grass roots football.
@binners Good news!
Looks like your favorite centre back is staying to "fight for his place".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66520737
All this arriving in air-conditioned coaches too.....when the correct transport is near MOT failures and a transit van full of builders materials.