Make that 30 mins
Make that 45 minutes
Gotta knock this static pass it along the lines business on the head - when there's movement, there's promise. Just not enough movement.
Mainoo on for more than the last 5 minutes? This is revolutionary stuff!
Has anyone in an England shirt ever taken a free kick before? It doesn’t look like it.
Gordon coming on with a couple of minutes left. If I were him I’d tell him to do one.
These Balkan sides are pretty good anyway.
Why is Leandro Trossard reffing this game?
FFS! What is the point of bringing TAA and Gordon on for 2 minutes?! Isn’t it Slovenia that are meant to be running the clock down with pointless substitutions?
😴🥱
I knew that his choice of fitted summer knitwear was a mistake
That was absolutely dire! Again!
At least they’re safe to bet on. My 0-0 came in but it was only 3/1, which tells you what the bookies think of Engerland
That was dull. 4 out of 10, should do better.
Real headscatcher that. 2 minutes.
And funnily enough Gordon did more in two mins than Bellingham did in 90. Southgate can do one.
I suspect this thread will be full of doom and gloom but topped the group, undefeated, better half of the draw. I'll take that at this stage.
Lot more lively than the Denmark match without much extra to show for it. Subs done good.
On we go... 🙂
1-0, 1-1, 0-0
Through as group winners. Jaysus lads. 😂
Jaysus lads.
Hopefully Ireland can do better. We'll cheer them on, when are they playing? 😉
Had to check whether Kane was still on at the end.
England qualify as worst group winners. Just like every other tournament they’ve played in under Southgate I find myself wanting them not to progress because they simply don’t deserve it.
Shocking performance - Palmer and Marino only redeeming performances. Southgate will spend the next few days providing excuses for his team selection and tactics (although I'm not sure there were any). I always wonder why I put myself through watching England - been doing it for 50 years and can can count on one hand the number of games which have been really exciting with great skills and a decent result.
From Twitter..
Jude Bellingham for England vs. Slovenia:
▫️ 0 shots
▫️ 0 chances created
▫️ 0 successful tackles
▫️ 0 passes completed into attacking third
▫️ 12% of his passes went forward
▫️ 22% duels won (worst on team)
▫️ 16 times possession lost (most on team)
And yet we all know he will play every minute of this tournament. Drop him for Foden, put Gordon on the left. So obvious it’ll never happen.
Is that the lowest scoring group?
At least they’re safe to bet on. My 0-0 came in but it was only 3/1, which tells you what the bookies think of Engerland
@binners you need to change your bookies then! I got 17/4 on a draw, didn't even need to pick the score!
The usual bare minimum to squeak thru then gracefully duck out without getting pilloried, to enjoy the maximum summer holls, before reporting back for pre-season training.
Re the set pieces. I blame Southgate on this but every corner and free kick in the vicinity of a corner was an out-swinger. The stats guys will point to the fact that in-swingers have a much higher success rate. Case in point is that Arsenal the PL's pre-eminent exponents of corners last season used out swingers about two or three times out of a total of over 200 corners.
It's coming home though right?
Sure is!
Drop him for Foden
ehhh? They were both playing at the same time. Unless you mean playing Foden more centrally?
Bellingham has been utterly underwhelming in the last two games.
Unless you mean playing Foden more centrally?
Yes that’s exactly what I mean. On that performance Bellingham doesn’t deserve a place in the team, especially when we have a world class replacement in the form of Foden. Drop Bellingham, shift Foden into the no 10 position with Gordon and Palmer on the flanks, Mainoo and Rice behind them. They’ll win with that team. I’d also replace Kane with Watkins but I can see that’s way too radical for most people let alone Southgate.
I have a sneaky feeling that dropping Bellingham would be a shade too radical for Gareth.
Bellingham already has the look of an overblown prima donna. At least Beckham and others earned their positions, all Bellingham has done is get a very expensive move to Real Madrid.
There's plenty of candidates, but agreed, Bellingham has been England's biggest under-achiever.
where he has been completely forgettable
Looks to me like he thinks he’s better than his England team mates and doesn’t have to try as hard (same goes for Kane). He may well be one of the best in the world but if he doesn’t perform and doesn’t fit in the team he shouldn’t be playing. This is the problem with Southgate, too many players get in the team by default.
Win or lose, Southgate is on his way out. Pending further results, I'd like to say to say thanks to Gareth for some fantastic (and disappointing) results. But until then, football's coming home 😀 ⚽🏆
It was another dismal display. It's abit like watching Arsenal play from a few years back.
Keep the ball, pass it around and if anyone gets close to the kick it back to the keeper.
There seems to me to be a problem with moving off the ball into space, and being able to kick a ball at , or a few meters in front of , a team mate.
Plus England seem to have huddles of players out wide and no one in the middle so when a ball is belted into the penalty area the forwards are miles apart and outnumbered and man marked.
As for doing multiple substitution in the last few minutes, utterly pointless. Like playing for a draw and crossing your fingers other results go your way . Making progress more likely.
I do wonder if the players want to lose just to be able to get a few weeks off, go rent a super yacht in the Bahamas and take a break from the relentless cycle of training, diving and rolling around on the floor as if someone has taken a baseball bat to their knees
Well the draw gods are certainly giving the Engerlanders a very favorable route. Maybe Southgate has some fiendish plan or knowledge of witchcraft that we're not aware off.
Not sure how Bellingham is getting it tight, i watched last nights game and the big things you notice is Kane still trying to be a false 9, running back and then passing to Foden, it's bad enough having two 10s on the pitch with Bellingham and Foden, but to then have your 9 behind you with the ball is a bit weird 🤣
It reminds me of some past teams who try and buy up big stars to play together, but the reality is, you've got 4 attackers who all want the ball and want to get in the box, and there's only one ball, Foden and Saka aren't wingers who hit the byline, Kane will always hunt the ball, Bellingham just doesn't look like he knows what he's meant to do in this formation, same with Rice.
It was another dismal display. It’s abit like watching Arsenal play from a few years back.
Thing about England is they play poorly but qualify anyway. And their fans boo them as they progress serenely to the latter stages.
They are like the Anti-Scotland
4 shots on target all game.
Pathetic.
Bringing Gordon on in the 89th minute.
Pathetic and pointless.
Pathetic pointless and through! 😂
Not sure how Bellingham is getting it tight, i watched last nights game and the big things you notice is Kane still trying to be a false 9, running back and then passing to Foden, it’s bad enough having two 10s on the pitch with Bellingham and Foden, but to then have your 9 behind you with the ball is a bit weird 🤣
I agree but at least he was moving off the ball, maybe he was trying to give hints to Bellingham and Foden as to what they could be doing. The lack of movement off the ball is ridiculous, we're slow getting up the pitch, teams then set up and once they've done that the players seem to stand in their positions happy to be marked as the 2 central defenders pass between themselves until they hoof it back to Pickford and repeat all over.
Maybe in knockout games where opponents can't just sit back there will be a bit more space and they can play a bit more freely. #clutchingatstraws
Yeah, he is running, but he's leaving his position and going into someone elses to get the ball, the opposition defence will love that, the main threat is on the half way line and he is going to always be trying a low defence splitting pass or passing it sideways to then run back to his position.
I don't think teams will get any easier to break down in the knock outs, next up will be a smaller team again, hoping to go to penalties, the big loss for Southgate is he's used up the group games and not tried anything more than straight replacements for TAA, and he hooked Gallagher last night, so what's his next attempt, try Mainoo, who is even more like an 8 than a 6, so Rice will yet again be fighting it out for that 8 role. Still can't understand why Wharton hasn't been given a try, the most natural 6 in your squad, then again, you're rotating right backs in the left back slot just now as well so the numbering system is pointless 😂
I reckon ETH must be £#@%ING himself seeing Southgate preform such an excellent showcase. The ManU job must be nailed on.
I'm going to slightly defend England's performance last night.
The opposition were clearly well organised and played a game not to lose. They never once looked like scoring.
That said the current players and formation isn't working. We always come inside and against a team like Slovenia who pack the middle of the park that's just a waste of time.
When Palmer came on and Gordon it looked like we might actually get something. They should've come on much sooner tho.
From what I've seen so far Austria are the best team there.
It was another poor display but I've not given up yet. I like others wonder if a KO game against a more aggressive opponent might create some spaces; undoubtedly we're poor against that low block type of defence. I think I heard the radio say Holland next looks likely?
One thing I wonder is honestly how good the Foden, Bellingham, Rice, etc., really are. All had world class seasons but in world class teams and where their team mates create the angles and spaces for them to exploit and pass into. Sure you have to still be able to see the passes and execute the skills but far easier when you have movement all around. Who's doing that for them in this team, to allow Bellingham to be world class. We managed it for 30 mins in game 1 and everyone was wow. I think it's too harsh to say Bellinghams dropped in performance and so the team has; more that the team has so Bellingham has so the team has so ....and we spiral down to the slow, ponderous passing game we saw for the last 2 games. Someone's got to start making runs into spaces that create spaces, selfless ones that the likes of Haaland, Watkins and Isak don't get credit for. Anyone saying Haaland does nothing and then scores misses the huge amount of times others get chances (Foden included) because Haaland has taken defenders away in a damned if they do, damned if they don't scenario. The one time we really managed it yesterday and space opened up, we walked it in almost unopposed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/videos/cekk9xk2xm5o
right at the start - Kane has come short to the corner of the box (probably hoping for the ball TBH) and for a brief moment the second centre back has opened up a gap, I think it's him that's busting a gut to get over. The England two Saka and ? have stayed wide, and Bellingham I think has come diagonally back out to the touchline to create the passing lane. OK, Rice 1-2'ed it and it was offside but he equally could have run into the box himself for a shot albeit a tight angle and under pressure by then.
Gordon did it second half instead of crowding in and asking for the ball they opened a lane for him to ping it past the midfield 4 and we nearly had a chance from that but for a poor first touch.
When the situation opens up we have the ability to exploit. There's IMHO too much 'talent' and not enough selfless running.
Meanwhile leaked footage of why the disallowed Dutch goal took so much time
https://twitter.com/TimBolton1981/status/1805628111175741498
Obviously the FA don't need to look further than this thread to find a replacement for Southgate... and if that jobs filled then just the men for looking for real talent to replace Bellingham, Foden etc....
I'm not saying they aren't supremely talented but I'm not convinced their talent is that useful without different types of talent around them.
An American football team can't play 4 quarterbacks at once no matter how good they are. At any point in any play they need several receivers, N-1 of which are running decoy to create space and confuse.
If any of them have the absolute ability to lift a team despite what's around them (Messi can, for example) I've yet to really see it.
Meh, it's all about the next game, England have the ability to give anyone a hiding if they get that bit of luck, an early goal, a worldie performance by one of their big players, etc, etc, they're just a bit disjointed at present, and confidence probably isn't high.
What happened to that guy who scored the goal in the first game? I thought he was supposed to be some sort of wonder-kid. Can't Southgate play him?
I do wonder if there is a correlation between driving standards and England delivering a pisspoor performance in major tournaments. It was abysmal out there this morning.
I see Southgate is whining about fans not giving him the deference he deserves. Maybe that's because they can see that once again a golden generation players with the collective talent to win (and win in style) is being wasted by a manager who picks players based on their reputations even if they are unfit, and then puts them in unfamiliar positions and forces them to play a style of game which is completely alien to them. Fans don't spend thousands to travel to abroad to watch the defence and midfield pass it sideways and backwards. Someone should tell him the result is not the only thing that counts.
Obviously the FA don’t need to look further than this thread to find a replacement for Southgate
They could train an AI to read every forum post on every forum about England football, and create a team and game plan based on the trends established.
A game plan based entirely on expletives? That would be worth watching!
^^Graham Taylor proved otherwise tbf🫣
12 months ago Southgate wouldn't play Foden in the no 10 role because he rarely played there for city, this year Foden has been the PL player of the season mainly playing the no 10 role, so Southgate plays him on the left which is his least favoured forward role. I love Foden, but Gordon would be better for the team on the left.
Bellingham is a natural no 8 IMO he is good box to box, driving runs and getting into the box late, but he can't dictate the tempo like Foden. I am not sure if Bellingham is getting a bit big for his boots (as dazh pointed out) or is just fatigued, most of his good work in la liga came in the first half of the season, he tailed of a bit towards the end.
Sakha has also looked out on his feet for a few months now, If both Saka and Palmer were fully fit and rearing to go I would still favour Saka, but with current form and energy levels, it has got to be Palmer starting IMO.
Bellingham looks tired and I would be tempted to drop him, playing Gordon and n the left and Foden, who had a much better game, inside. As an Arsenal season ticket holder I can vouch for the fact it isn’t unknown for Saka to have a run of games where he doesn’t live up to the hype. And then he cuts in and scores a worldie. To answer a point above, one reason for our New Year run of form was exactly for Saka hitting the byline and crossing with his right foot - right now he seems to be having a case of England-itis - not playing his natural game. Saka makes for a poor substitute but I would be ready to replace him at half time with Palmer next game. Midfield looked better with Mainoo, not least because it looked as though Rice trusted him more and played better.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cy779zdr2yro
Crikey I hope his young family are okay
Hope him and his family are ok. Doesn't sound like the usual blaguarding where absent sports people get burgled.
Think its a birth.
Foden leaves camp for the birth of his 3rd! child -
SO does Gareth need have a discussion regarding birth control?
Watching Belgium v Ukraine. What is with those morons using laser pointers on players faces
Foden leaves camp for the birth of his 3rd! child –
SO does Gareth need have a discussion regarding birth control?
3rd kid just past your 24th birthday - he's certainly productive! I can't imagine having had that much life (professional and personal) by my 24th birthday.
How on earth do Ukraine get eliminated for finishing fourth with 4 points, yet other teams with 3 points look like getting through on the ‘best third team’ league.
It is harsh. Thrash the group winners, get a draw against one of the highest ranked teams and go out. There are worse teams going through but that's tournament football.
Rolando's become a toddler again, could go off. Getting stoutly defended by his number one fan Keane.
C'mon Georgia.
Ha ha!! come on Georgia!!!!!!!
Georgia play better football than England!
Georgia are nailing this. Just hope they don't run out of steam 🙂
