This a Sunday league match between 2 pub sides who were both out on the lash last night
Unfortunate..shame, Scotland had some decent chances.
Shame you have to wait 90 minutes until they start playing an attacking game.
Turned on the game for a look while waiting for my toast.
I'm so very grateful not to be a footy fan🤣 Following Scotland is too heartbreaking.
Ouch - that is harsh for Scotland
Glorious failure yet again. FFS. What’s the bet, to rub salt in our wounds, that 2pts would of got us through!
Let’s not beat around the bush, Scotland were awful for pretty much every minute of those 3 games. Why the hell didnt shankland come on earlier, Adams was utterly useless
tbh at least that goal saved the sfa a hotel bill waiting around for the groups games to finish to be officially eliminated..
Yea just saw that definitely a penalty.
This a Sunday league match between 2 pub sides who were both out on the lash last night
Dog and Duck will play Tuesday.
Listening to Andy Robertson, he was clearly in a different game. "Gave it everything" - no, you bloody didn't! 15 mins of slightly up tempo football at the end of a dismal display doesn't equal everything. Or if it does, that's why you're going home. I'll never understand why teams in that position don't just go balls out and to hell with it; out if you lose, out if you draw - just bloody go for it!
I watched the Germany Switzerland match. It was great! Switzerland really pretty unlucky not to win that imo.
Anyone else loving the nonsensical adverts for HiSense?
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Come on guys, you turn over billions of pounds. I'd proof read those for you for just £10,000 a month
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English for forreners.
Maybe I just don't understand football, but for me, if you're not a great team then why aren't you just swinging in every ball you can into a big striker, either to score directly or indirectly from a knockdown. I know it's a bit rubbish to watch but you need to play to your strengths and at least get some attempts on goal.
Dog and Duck will play Tuesday.
The Dog and Duck might well put in a better shift, even if they had been on the lash the night before
Engerland also deserve being on the next plane home on the strength of their performances so far
Pretty cagey for 90 mins. Glad both teams really went for it in the last 10 mins. Draw didn't help anyone and it would've been rubbish if they wimpered out at nil nil. That last passage of play was quite something.
Definitely a penalty but the better team won I think.
Hardly glorious failure, four shots on target in three games, got what we deserved. Not helped by injuries but the formation in each game was odd, plenty of square pegs and round holes.
Well we didn't even qualify so our fans missed out on the atmosphere and fun at just being at a tournament. It's magic when you're at one.
Glastonbury for football fans.
Over the whole three games I have no complaints The players gave their all the manager did his best. Not sure a change of manager would bring any improvement.The fans should enjoy the night as best they can. Hope the Hungarian boy is ok
@didnthurt you are Charles Hughes and I claim my 100/-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Hughes_(football_manager)
Over the whole three games I have no complaints
Really? they were absolutely shocking against Germany and today not a great deal better. Sure they had a few injuries but there was no excuse for the performance over the 3 games. 2nd lowest amount of shots recorded at the euros since they started counting in the 80s apparently
Scotland just lacked quality. Static players playing to another static player with so little attacking threat or menace that it doesn’t surprise me we went out.
The ability to control the ball with 1st touch and move it quickly and accurately seems beyond us when compared to other countries. Maybe we need to introduce fussball to school to try and build some skill
Nope no complaints not many good enough players to pick from in the first place,and seven in total out through injury you know that when you see Ralston playing but very much 2nd choice at Celtic
There's a question mark over some of Clark's decisions but who is better than him and available? Derek Macinnes maybe.
All about producing quality right through every age group. Look at Portugal only 10 million people but their reserves could probably win the tournament.
I know it’s a cliche to say ‘it’s tournament football’ but it is
Sitting back to grind out a draw just isn’t going to cut it. You need to attack. Might as well get beat 7-0 having had a pop than lose 1-0 to a last minute goal when you’ve offered absolutely nothing but a parked bus for 100 minutes
And that applies to Engerland as much as Scotlandshire. Slow, lethargic, totally devoid of any pace, creativity or intent. Absolutely ****ing woeful to watch
The swift counter attacking winner that Hungary scored. Scotland - and probably England - would have butchered that. The timing of the runs, weight of the pass, calmness of the finish, seem alien to us.
People have forgotten how to enjoy sports.
It was a great game of terrible football, brilliant atmosphere, cagey, nervy, desperate,and just what tournament football is all about.
That pen needs some explaining. Sat there waiting for the game to get pulled back. Harsh.
I think our problem was that we were still trying to play a system that relied on Robertson, Tierney and Hickey creating chances from the flanks. With two of those players and Dykes also missing we needed a different approach but we didn't have one. With the option of 5 subs Clarke could've been bolder and made a change in the first half once he saw how Hungary were sitting back. But that's not his nature and in his defense a 1-0 win would probably have been enough so I think he decided that Hungary would have to come on to us a bit more and he was waiting for that.
I see Harry Kane has attended the same school of media training as Rishi Sunak 😂
I thought Kane's comments re: ex-international pundits were farcical. He's basically saying be nice to us even though we're under-performing. They are supposed to be professional sportsmen.
But give him some credit it's not nearly as stupid as Southgate's Kalvin Phillips comments. Southgate appears to have completely lost the plot.
I thought Kane’s comments re: ex-international pundits were farcical. He’s basically saying be nice to us even though we’re under-performing.
That's not my read of it. He's saying that you run the risk of making us even worse by destroying what little confidence we have. If you think that the way to get a better performance out of someone is to be shitty to them then.. well.. I'm very glad you're not my boss.
If you think that the way to get a better performance out of someone is to be shitty to them then.. well.. I’m very glad you’re not my boss.
The comments, like yours, just sound like moaning teenagers. It's not fair people expect me to do my job and perform to a high level
Lineker isn't their boss though, is he? And he wasn't being shitty to Kane, he offered some perfectly valid points as to why, perhaps, that wasn't his finest moment in an England shirt, including why he thought Kane needed additional support around him to do better.
If that has instantly destroyed his psyche after years of being pumped up by the British media, god help him.
Also, Lineker may not have won international trophies with England, but he won plenty of other stuff in some of the toughest leagues in the world, unlike Kane.
And he responded to similar criticism during Mexico 86 by knocking in a hattrick against Poland with a broken wrist.
The group games started badly. We lost to Portugal and drew with Morocco. We had the Bryan Robson injury and Ray Wilkins got sent off for throwing the ball at the ref. Things were going against us, and we were getting hammered by the media – although without the internet in those days, you didn’t know quite how bad it was! The mood in the camp was still great, though.I was as guilty as anyone for the poor results and could have been dropped for Poland.
Maybe the England team could avoid Tik Tok and other such media for a couple off weeks. But what do i know - the Sun doesn't do an expose of my love/drug/drink/gambling issues because i bought the wrong software.
I thought Kane was bang on, Shearers rant at the end of the Denmark match was way more embarrassing than any of the players performances.
We turned the sound down and it looked like a fast show sketch.
It was way over the top from former 'underperformers'
It was way over the top from former ‘underperformers’
Fair point - this isn't a Southgate/current squad issue, it's a systemic problem with English/Scottish football for decades.
We all want to see competitive success and stylish classy football. But at the end of the day, it's 22 blokes kicking a bag of air round a field. If it affects your mood or sense of worth so much, avoid it, it's not worth it.
Getting this criticism could be what a good manager would use to build team spirit & get everyone firing on all cylinders.
It has yet to be seen if Southgate is a good manager.
He's now England's third longest serving manager.
Getting this criticism could be what a good manager would use to build team spirit & get everyone firing on all cylinders.
You would think they'd use it as motivation rather than bleating like lambs and sulking. If they were merely under-performing they wouldn't get the level of crap they've had but they've been truly woeful since the 30mins mark of the first game.
Southgate has either got a job lined up or he's lost it given the comments of recent days. Part of his job is to take some pressure off the team in public but he's just doing a poor job of it.
FWIW, if they smash Slovenia 4-0 the media will flip180 degrees and they'll be under different pressure.
David Moyes for next Scotland manager?
It’s not fair people expect me to do my job and perform to a high level
That's not what I said though, is it? When something goes wrong, being laid into by everyone doesn't really help. It probably makes matters even worse.
David Moyes for next Scotland manage
Anyone else think David Moyes looks like Mo from the Simpsons?
Italy Croatia game is quite good. I'm not sure where these teams have been hiding thus far
This is a cracking game! Some good saves at both ends.
Are we watching the same game? Italy Croatia is a proper bore. 2 old teams way past their best. 2nd half will be right mad affair now I said that.
Bonkers finish!
Some good saves at both ends
Of all the things! The goalkeeping has been exceptional at this tournament (so far) and has had a big impact on score lines and results.
England have got a relatively easy run into the quarters. **** me do we need it! As soon as we play any of the decent teams we are out.
You're sounding like my dad in 86
You're sounding like my dad in 86
You're sounding like my dad
Sounding like my dad
Sounding like my dad in 86
Luke, I might be your Dad
Are Austria the new Greece?
Lewandowski's first penalty there was absolutely horrific, i'm amazed they let it be retaken, he stopped part way through that first one, i thought that wasn't allowed?!
Austria are everything England aren’t. Southgate would do worse than to make the England players watch it in detail.
Lewandowski’s first penalty there was absolutely horrific, i’m amazed they let it be retaken, he stopped part way through that first one, i thought that wasn’t allowed?!
Second was even worse. If that's actually allowed, then there's no point having penalties - just save us all time and award a goal.
If France are second in their group, does that make them potential opponents for England in the next round (assuming we top our group)?
No, I think England will get one of the third place teams, possibly from this group
Edit: looks like winning tonight is now quite important
Are Austria the new Greece?
Greece played really dull defensive football when they won the euros, Austria seem to play much more on the front foot, but probably a bit soon to be giving them the trophy.
Greece won by boring everyone to death, whereas Austria actually look really good.
I’ve had a punt on Italy as I reckon they’re looking like they could do this time exactly what they did last time.
We're getting Holland or Belgium, aren't we?
How is it that is there is a woman’s game, there is nearly always a male pundit. Men’s game and ITV put 5 men in the studio…! Seriously?! (Yes, there are two woman pitch side but they have had about 2 mins air time!). Visible representation matters, at all levels.
Sorry, thread hijack but it’s upset my evening of football.
Back to the sport.
RE: Greece were boring but less about the football more that they are the proverbial dark horses.
Austria are everything England aren’t
Let's face it on current form I wouldn't fancy them to beat Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic or Switzerland. I think Turkey could give us trouble, never mind the top teams.
If they **** this up (seems unlikely) and place 2nd they face Germany it's game over. If 3rd it could be Portugal or one of teams all on 3 points. At least I think that's how it goes!
Anyway we need to win the group for the best draw.
What are we going for here then? A spirit-crushingly tedious 0-0 draw conducted at walking pace?
Wow! Only one change, Gallagher for TAA, what a surprise. Southgate’s conclusion after last Thursday was that we weren’t defensive enough and didn’t need any pace on the wings or up front. Palmer and Gordon might as well get themselves away on holiday instead of hanging round in a setup which clearly doesn’t like them.
Gallagher will run about a bit I guess. None of the ‘big’ teams have really impressed. Spain or Portugal perhaps about the best, France have only scored twice. Germany had an easy group and looked ordinary against Hungary and the Swiss.
Ten quid on Southgate’s first sub being TAA for Gallagher. 😂
Is there footy on ITV or just a load of adverts? 🤣🤣
I think Daz has just perfectly summarised my thoughts
Can we add Luke Shaw to the list of people who might as well be on holiday? If he’s fit, then play him, if he’s not fit, then why is he even there?
Apologies Austria, I am sorry for picking you in our office sweepstake. It was a good run. Chapeau.
This is like watching paint dry.
The Repair Shop is on BBC, repairing a 'very special sporran'. Bit late I feel.
Well the first 15 minutes show little evidence of Southgate's supposed improvements.
Well the first 15 minutes
Make that 30 mins.
Slovenia set up as these banks of fours and we need to either get some quick balls around and between the lines as for the disallowed goal, which looked like we could walk it in when we felt like it, or I'd like to see some of these tricky players like Saka or Foden just going on a run and committing a defender or two that way.
Couple of times the pitch has seemed a bit slow and sticky, with a couple of times when the ball looked on only to not reach the player or get there after the chance has gone. Trippier first time to Foden for example
Bit more life about us these last few minutes, for me - that Foden lad's half decent when he goes on a wander.
Slovenia are zipping it around ok though...and look a lot more dangerous.
Edit
Ref didn't want another minute of that, did he?
Ref didn’t want another minute of that, did he?
He wasn’t alone there. My 0-0 bet is looking pretty safe
