Flytippers - organised crime

“Individuals who might have once been armed bank robbers are the type going into waste crime. There’s a lot of reward for less risk.”

The rewards are comparable to robbing a bank? 🤔

The Environment Agency added that its joint unit for waste crime, which incorporates organisations such as the National Crime Agency, was making inroads into the gangs. “Since its inception in 2020, the unit has worked with more than 102 partner agencies and taken part in 175 days of action which have resulted in 51 arrests.”

51 arrests nationally over a couple of years doesn't sound much. I wonder how many convictions?

I don’t want to be accused of overreacting but I have recently pondered how one could use land mines to solve the problem on a reasonably permanent basis.

I seem to recall Maggie used the SAS to break up prison riots with baseball bats.

I'm not usually a fan of her thoughts, but I'd be happy to see this being used against flytippers

I'd be happy if the ex sas guys had shoot to kill orders for the fly tippers.
Needs massive fines and prison sentences, if not there risk to the scum is minimal versus the reward.

The rewards are comparable to robbing a bank? 🤔

Bank robbery isn't very lucrative....I seem to recall the average take is about £12k

Very difficult to find a bank to rob these days too.

I seem to recall the average take is about £12k

£12k sounds like a very large reward for fly-tipping!

And according to the article involving very low risks.

I had no idea - some quite useful pointers in that article. Just one fly-tip a week would bring in a very reasonable income and leave you with plenty of free time.

Obviously you need to watch your back for the SAS though.

I’m a bit conflicted. Local farmer has had a large quantity of tyres dumped at a field entrance. He’s a big supporter of the local hunt (Beaufort) who are very much fox hunting illegally so feels like karma. Do two wrong make a right? Not sure.

We pay about £3-400 per 20t load carted off site legit carriers inert spoil. Say one wagon making say 5 loads per day possible 5 wagons on turnaround 25 x£300 £7.5k per day clearly less legit operations could dump that in a field dodging any SAS teams cost for contaminated spoil £000s per load easy money little no risk but if we won’t go after water companies etc dumping vast amounts of shite into rivers what chance a 2 minutes manoeuvre to tip a load getting convicted?

Fife Council are useless when it comes to fly tipping.
8400 reports, 130 penalty notices and 3 reports to the fiscal.
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I've provided details of fly tipping to Fife Council complete with cctv ànd offenders details and they simply couldn't be bothered to do anything about it.

they simply couldn’t be bothered to do anything about it.

Or more realistically there's not the money to prosecute in the budget.

[i]they simply couldn’t be bothered to do anything about it.

Or more realistically there’s not the money to prosecute in the budget.[/i]

Could they claim back the proceeds of crime,if it is so lucrative?

@51.5463835,-3.0372072,151m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e1">Have you seen this road near Newport?

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That was completely cleared a year or two ago and has stayed clean since. It's monitored by CCTV as a few of us found out when we were down there racing our RC cars around a track using homemade ramps, two police cars turned up as they thought we were dumping wood!

The real crime spot here is all along Rover Way in Cardiff, the local traveller's site dumps their crap on the flood plain which is then washed away on the next big high tide. If it's not gone in a few weeks they just burn it. Note that their crap is also whatever they bring home in tipper trucks too, it's all left on what is the Welsh Coastal Path so you can walk past it reading address labels on post mixed in and see it's all from local people who obviously ask no questions. Ironically there's the council tip just over a mile away.

Or more realistically there’s not the money to prosecute in the budget.

The Guardian article which the original post links says:

"Former SAS and special reconnaissance regiment (SRR) service personnel, who specialise in surveillance and “close-target” reconnaissance and who served in Afghanistan and Iraq, are being drafted in to collect evidence against organised crime groups that use collusion, corruption and the threat of violence to profit from environmental offences."

Which budget is that coming from then? It doesn't sound cheap.

16 posts on OCGs and flytipping and no one has mentioned kickboxers dumping loads of Romanian pizza boxes.

Standards are slipping