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I've just spent about 20 mins on that flat earth Highlands website and it a deeply confusing place, as I imagine the inside of his head is.
Thinking about it I'm pretty sure he's a well known local 'character'. There's a bit on the site about him asking questions at a meeting about Syrian refugees which my wife was at.
Its not a Survey Monkey survey, it’s a YouGov (Government) run survey..
YouGov have **** all to do with government, they're a private company with a canny name intended to mislead people who don't know much about how government works.
Anybody noticed Google Maps is now projected as a globe, whereas a few days ago it was not.
YouGov have **** all to do with government, they’re a private company with a canny name intended to mislead people who don’t know much about how government works.
This
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</p><p></p><p>Yes, it's a pain in the hole planet hopping now as it rotates under you.</p>Anybody noticed Google Maps is now projected as a globe, whereas a few days ago it was not.
I like it, but then I'm used to playing about with Google Earth Pro on the desktop.
At least now people get a much clearer idea of the actual size of countries instead of that hugely distorted Mercator projection they previously used.
YouGov have **** all to do with government, they’re a private company with a canny name intended to mislead people who don’t know much about how government works.
No! No really ??
Well I never knew that, there’s me thinking it was a Government organisation designed specifically for surveys.
No, I really did think that.
I reckon thier name is misleading.
🤷♂️😡
Watched a couple of those You Tuber's debunking flat earth videos its brilliant.
Some of the stuff the flerfers invent is brilliant:
Sunsets don't work on a globe because the sun sets at a different time in the London to Africa at the equator - in November
Gravity is a sham because oil floats on water- even if the oil weighs more than the water.
The Earth and Sun can't have magnet fields because magnets stick together
My personal favourite was the bloke with the square earth - whose model showed everything else in the solar system as a globe and his main reason for preferring his model over the disc model was that explained how the stars moved across the sky - you know exactly like being on a globe would explain.
Its amazing.
But I guess a lot of it comes to maccruisen's point about knowledge of the shape of the earth doesn't really change many peoples daily life, they are free to dismiss facts as the new reality doesn't impinge on their daily lives even if its nonsense.
I'd argue this is a problem with a lot of science.
Science should be seen and taught as an epistemological system for working things out not just facts that can be "disproved" by a you tuber.
People should be taught how to think not just what to learn.
My son's mates at school have an instagram feed flatearth_global. Worth a look for a laugh as they are seriously trolling both sides.
I’d argue this is a problem with a lot of science.
Yeah it is incredible how much basic science, particularly physics, that flat earthers either reject or are completely ignorant of.
They will tell you:
- a feather still falls much slower than a hammer in a vacuum.
- gravity cannot be demonstrated and no one can successfully reproduce the Cavendish experiment.
- a vacuum is an incredibly powerful force that pulls at objects.
- pressure differences cannot exist in nature without a barrier between them.
- rockets cannot fly in a vacuum because they have nothing to push against.
- conservation of momentum doesn't exist.
- density determines how much an object weighs.
- things cannot float upwards if gravity is real.
- a force is still experienced even when velocity is constant.
- mass is the same as weight.
- light cannot bend.
And many other misunderstandings that many people would have had cleared up by some basic schoolroom physics demonstrations.
So given that a lot of those can be demonstrated by some school room physics; regardless of whether they saw it as a child, how come they don't get it now? That's the bit that confuses me... Shown these dimwits a proper bit of physics and they still want to believe their half wit theories
Mad...
They are in too deep @nickc
Cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias means they will just claim any such demos are fake or actually show something else at work (e.g. "that's not gravity. It's density and buoyancy.", "The rocket creates gas so its not a vacuum any more", "The Cavendish balls are attracted by electromagnetism not gravity" etc etc)
Here's Brian Cox doing a big version of the ball/feather in a vacuum experiment:
The comments are full of flerfers claiming it is all fake, camera trickery, CGI etc etc
They could easily try this experiment for themselves on a smaller scale like this:
Or this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9Zb3xAgIoY
But they won't. And the comments on videos also have flerfers on them saying they are fake. In fact pretty much any science video to do with space, gravity, rockets or the Earth, will have some flerfers in the comments.
Here's a really simple debunk video that has ongoing debate in the comments. It shows that if you take four cities and look up the distances between them then those distances cannot work on a flat plane:
So either the distances are wrong or the Earth isn't flat.
Seems like a pretty simple concept to me, but the flerfers still dispute it.
The guy I linked to above is offering a prize of a grand for anyone who can provide a proof that the earth is spherical.
But there's an asterisk which says it can't be a 'NASA or scientific proof', it needs to be your own proof.
It's like my ball my rules. Or maybe more like my frisbee, my rules...
Yeah there is another guy who claim to be a surveyor, that is supposedly offering $100,000 to anyone that can demonstrate that Myrtle Beach is curved
But obviously you are only allowed to attempt to prove it his way. No other method is acceptable.
Here a nice example of flat earthers rejecting stuff. Just a nice video of an amateur guy photographing the ISS with his telescope at home:
Over 3100 dislikes and literally hundreds of comments from flat earthers saying it is fake, he’s a shill, etc etc 🤦🏻♂️
How do they explain this madness...
They would say that proves it is density that decides the “natural order” of things, not gravity. 🤦🏻♂️
Cool video though. I love Cody. A nerd’s nerd.
Not flat earth, but worth finding on youtube is the bloke that thinks petrol and avgas is a con. Seems to be based him mixing up cubic metres and litres, which obviously leads to Concorde's wings not being large enough to hold all the fuel needed.
It's all done by compressed air, apparently.
These maniacs all need a good, hard kick in the discs
Seriously, are they [i]really[/i] worth bothering with? They're idiots.
It's been KNOWN that the world is a globe/round/spherical/planet shaped since like, the 1500s (and suspected by the Ancient Greeks, who were a damn site brighter than any twonk with a youtube channel) and it was only religious idiots who disputed it then, and we all know how religious idiots are swayed by facts and science. It's just like, such a waste of time and effort. I'm exhausted from typing even that.
richmars: is that the "Enslaved By No Media" guy? He also thinks planes are much smaller and fly much slower than they tell us. And he has the (hilarious) proof!
DezB +1 😉
Of course it’s flat, have you never been across the A9?
Hahaha such first class penmanship as well.
it's more akin to religion to them than science so they don't need evidence when they have faith.
Seriously, are they <em class="bbcode-em">really worth bothering with? They’re idiots.
Several possible answers to that @DezB of varying degrees:
- No: it's like trying to talk your gran out of dementia. No matter what you say you'll never convince her that you are not your Great Uncle Norman.
- No: it's a religious issue for many and for those types believing in a round Earth would mean renouncing God.
- Yes: you'll never win, but it is absolutely fascinating and entertaining to hear the bollocks they spout to dismiss simple things like sunrises. Plus you actually learn a lot of interesting science yourself by trying to find examples of simple direct physical evidence that don't rely on Satan's maths or those Freemasons at NASA.
- Yes: not for the ones that are already suckered in, they are already lost, but for the ones who are quietly lurking on the comments as they circle the drain.
- Yes: many of these people are vulnerable victims of a con and need help.
- Yes: they are part of a wider anti-science anti-intellectualism movement that should be challenged. Science and science education is already seeing funding cuts. If people don't value it or think it is all lies then it will see much more. I don't want to live in "Idiocracy".
These maniacs all need a good, hard kick in the discs
This deserves more approbation.
Have you changed anyone's mind then, to your knowledge?
By the time they are vocal commentators most of them have too much invested in the idea to ever change their mind, so public about faces are very rare. The best you can hope for with those guys is to sow a little doubt. I have had them admit that they have no explanations for things or that their model is wrong in some way.
However you do see the odd lone comment from people saying "thanks, I was starting to fall for this bollocks" and the various debunking channels do claim to receive thankful PMs from people too.
There have been a couple of major upsets:
A flat earther called TigerDan925 spent a lot of time trying to construct a working flat earth map by plotting known distances between airports. After many videos he realised that this could not be done and went on to renounce all his previous videos and expose various lies from the cult leaders.
https://www.youtube.com/user/TigerDan925/videos
Another flat earther, Irish guy can't remember his name, did his own experiments looking at buildings across the sea and realised they do indeed sink below the horizon and that the whole thing was bollocks.
And recently one of the more vocal (and very annoying) guys, Jake The Asshole (aka Flat Earth Asshole) posted a video stating he's had an epiphany and could no longer support the popular AE/Gleason map, which had been systematically debunked by globers. So now him and many other flerfers are in the interesting position of having no map or model at all.
Such traitors are turned on by the FE community who say they are sell-outs, government shills, satantists etc.
So mostly people coming to their senses just fade away (or if they are making good money then they might realise its bollocks but carry on anyway).
Do they have any explanation as to why it's disc shaped?
Some would say it is not disc shaped. They think it is an infinite plane and it is just our particular little pocket on that plane that happens to be round, like a puddle.
Others would say because God made it that way and the firmament/dome is round.
Hmm. The idea of reality as an infinite flat plane seems elegant. Obvs not real but it's a nice idea.
Do they have any explanation as to why it’s disc shaped?
Plate tectonics innit.
All plates are disc shaped.......or so i thought until I was given a square one in a restaurant.
Mind.
Blown.
The idea of reality as an infinite flat plane seems elegant. Obvs not real but it’s a nice idea.
Yeah, some of their "ideas" would make a nice book.
Though Pratchett has pretty much covered the discworld thing 🙂
Irish guy can’t remember his name, did his own experiments looking at buildings across the sea and realised they do indeed sink below the horizon
This is what you're dealing with. People who do experiments by "looking" in adulthood 😆
I reckon thier name is misleading.
If it was a government organisation do you think they'd call it YouGov? It'd be WeGov.
Though Pratchett has pretty much covered the discworld thing
Not his idea, I should point out.
GrahamS
The guy who thinks fuel is fake is called Adam I Fe, here's one of his videos:
Guess what, he's also a flat earther!
<p>Still never heard an answer to "why the conspiracy?".</p>
The guy who thinks fuel is fake is called Adam I Fe
Ah yes, seen him in comments before. Never ventured onto his channel.
Here is the "Enslaved By No Media" guy. I think he may have two channels (or an equally crazy friend named Jason). Just check out the video titles for a laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNeK1QwoHHj5TC1tTWyVkaQ/videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpuu81O9AtZvD_tr56xVr7Q/videos
Beliefs include:
- fakes planes (holograms and/or demons and/or remote control)
- real planes are small (he estimates that 737s are 65-82ft long)
- real planes are actually slower than a car,
- all distances are much smaller than they say
- air powered engines in planes and cars,
- water is a fuel. Petrol is a lie.
- chemtrails,
- flat earth (obviously),
- Mandela effect
- simulation/matrix
For the record, I wouldn't bother even trying to talk to someone like him. He obviously has some mental health issues that go beyond the usual level of flat earth crazy.
Still never heard an answer to “why the conspiracy?”
Depends who you ask. Most common answer is it is a satanist/Zionist/Freemason/whatever plot to hide God's Creation, because if people saw the real flat earth and dome they'd know it was the work of an intelligent creator.
Others say it is about money: NASA gets lots of funds from taxpayers for doing nothing. The Elite get to go to the lands beyond the icewall and exploit them without us knowing.