[Closed] Fire up the Fergie, time to build my new studio.

Swiss01, I don't think anyone but the bloodyminded or insane would have worked outdoors today if they had the choice. Snow is forecast for tomorrow. Are you local?

great project .

do you draw plans or just go along ?

do you draw plans or just go along ?

No plans, just a vague idea of where I want to get to. The recycled glass has dictated the proportions, I always keep my eyes open when I'm out riding for ideas that might work. I saw a few cabins in the States that I liked and I've tried to incorporate a little of that influence too.
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The irony of building a new studio where it would be lovely, light and warm to work in as the sleet froze my fingers kept me going today but even I have limits.

I managed to get the east side clad in weatherboarding and I fitted the windows properly. That just leaves the long south facing side and the short north covered side to do. I will clad the long side first and use the part lengths remaining for the other.

I'm getting there.

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Snow! This could be a challenging day for my fingers.

My birthday is a few days away. I was born in a blizzard, my mother tells me it has snowed almost every March 14th since then or thereabouts.

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Looking good!

That was character building working in the snow. It wasn't too bad whilst it was snowing but it was bitterly cold once it started to thaw. Still, I got the south side clad up to the eaves, there will be some fiddly stuff to seal that area up, I didn't fancy it without the gutters.

I watched snowy squalls race over the Forth past Inchkeith from inside. It'll be an inspirational studio space.

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looking really nice!

what are you going to do to finish the corners or are you leaving it as is (cut edge)

also what are the vertical windows separations clad with? is it just weatherboard on end?

what are you going to do to finish the corners or are you leaving it as is (cut edge)

also what are the vertical windows separations clad with? is it just weatherboard on end?

I'm going to rip a length of weatherboard to cover the exposed cut edges, the whole thing will then be painted. The window separations? Again I ripped up the weatherboard, it was just wide enough to cover the posts.

I'm trying to recycle as much of the waste as I can.

keep the daily updates going! loving this thread!

have you floored it yet? if not consider going insulated floating floor to cut down on the amount of ground borne moisture entering the building

have you floored it yet? if not consider going insulated floating floor to cut down on the amount of ground borne moisture entering the building

I only have the floor joists in place, I'm using scaffolding boards as a temporary floor. I was just thinking about insulating the floor and wall cavities. A simple drop floor with OSB and loft style insulation. Any ideas what is cheapest? The roof space could only be insulated on one side as it has skylights on the south side.

mcmoonter, can I please propose a trade of skills.

I can offer you a willingness to work outdoors in all weathers, unwavering enthusiasm, very few technical skills and below average strength, in return for the opportunity to help build some stuff at your house and learn some skillz.

"mcmoonter school of wood"

100% serious.

I have an Aeropress if that helps you decide?

Ha, I was considering making the same suggestion

Where do you get all the bus shelter glass from?

Googles 'bus shelter glass theft epidemic in Scotland'...

Great thread. I started building my shed at roughly the same time as this.
So far I have... floor joists.

I was going to start a thread, but I think everyone would be bored by the lack of updates. Maybe I'll start it when it's nearly done and make it appear fast 😉

3 pages in and no one has done the
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Peterfile & Piemonster if you are near you'd be welcome. The next thing once I sort out the eaves is the drop down floor, bench skeleton and floor. They are the sorts of jobs where you see an outcome fairly quickly. Email me.

Today was the coldest yet with a wind that whipped up snow off the fields like the Siberian Gulag.

I finally managed to get the last side clad and glazed. I still need to get the roof ridge on but that can wait until better weather.

I found the glass at my local council yard, it was a chance find. They had some big panes that I used for my pavilion elsewhere.

AlexSimon, post up some pics of your progress, there is a lot of helpful advice on here that I find keeps me motivated and points me in directions I hadn't anticipated.

I've got to go and do some proper work for a few days so there wont be any daily updates for a spell.

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This is what the bus stop glass looked like when I picked it up. Pretty grim, but a bucket of water and some elbow grease later it was as good as new.

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Beautiful ^^

Looking forward to a finished painted studio, I think eau d nil would look lovely 😉

Eau de Nil it is then. It's in keeping with a nearby summer house and garden gate.

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Aww thanks Mcmoonter, you know those flowers make me smile.

cheapest insulated floor way would be thinnest OSB you can buy on the [u]underside [/u]of joists, then fill with rockwool, then plastic vapour membrane, then flooring on top as normal, nice cheap upgrade from normal

osb forms a crude vapour membrane itself

alternatively if you have money to burn the thickest kingspan you can buy!!!

I went to the merchants this morning for a quote on OSB and rock wool. 8x4 sheets were about £8, 13m2 of 100mm rock wool was around £20. Is that about the going rate? I didn't know about PVM.

alternatively if you have money to burn the thickest kingspan you can buy!!!

I've got logs to burn not money 😀

McM - I always understood artists preferred northern facing light in their studios - is this wrong or does is just not work for your plot

Northern light is more consistent, but I prefer the spontaneous changeable southern light. I work quickly in it, I think it helps infuse my paintings with life.

The site also had a surprisingly good view over the Forth to the south which is a bonus.

£8 for osb is not bad, you can also use expanded polystyrene as an insulating layer - rockwool slabs will always be cheapest though

don't skimp on the dpm or plastic membrane - put it on the warm side of the insulation (i.e on the interior side of the floor joists

When I put the insulation between the joists on the drop down floor, do I leave an air gap between the top of the insulation and the floor boards of have it tight against them.

I have a big roll of blue heavy duty polythene that I had left over after laying a concrete floor, would it work as a damp proof membrane or does it have to be something fancier?

When I put the insulation between the joists on the drop down floor, do I leave an air gap between the top of the insulation and the floor boards of have it tight against them.

With Celotex etc, it's normally tight against them.

Any views on polythene as an underfloor dpm?

If you were using Celotex style stuff you'd just pack it against the floor then tape over the joints with foil tape so the foil outer and tape would be the DPM. So I guess Ploythene would be ok if there wasn't much of a gap for condensation to get trapped in.

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the blue polythene should be fine - just make sure it goes on top of the polystyrene

as for the bottom of it - osb is best as it is virtually vapour proof, failing that some light battens would hold the insulation up in place

McM, nice thread... thought about any decking on the side with falls away from the studio or even a clever deck build around the tree thats close to the side of the building.. ?

Make a great G&t or Pimms podium...

Oh, and about that tree house and swing... there is an amazing treehouse in a property near Dunoon... remember it on a bike ride round there. Proper house really in a big old tree by the sea.

I laid about 3/4 of the OSB today and nailed the bench legs in place. The timber merchants had run out of the 9mm OSB so gave me 12mm stuff with a bit of discount. The gap is really well sealed, I have rock wool insulation (100mm) and 19mm flooring. Would the polythene really make that much of a difference? My fear is it would promote condensation.

I will lay the insulation and some floorboards tomorrow.

I did think about an outside deck, but to project the roof to cover it would rob the interior of light. I also fear that for the handful of days that wind doesn't blow up there it wouldn't be worth the effort.

I put the insulation in place and floored half the floor this afternoon. It's a bit of a faff fitting the boards around the bench legs, but once done it looks pretty neat.

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the reason for the polythene is to prevent water vapour rising up into the shed - if you have osb that will help prevent it too.
the other reason is to prevent the humid interior of the shed getting past the insulation and condensing on the cold side of the insulation

to be honest you will probably get away with not using it, especially if shed interior is unheated and reasonably well ventilated

Room for this fire?

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I decided against the polythene. I felt that the thicker OSB and the insulation would be enough. Air will be free flowing under the building, my fear was that with the stove indoors condensation may form between the floor and the polythene. As I can't insulate the roof it's academic really. I will insulate the cavities in the wall space, it may help a little too. I ordered the stove, it should be here at the end of the week, so I will bash on with the other half of the floor and sort out the eaves as quickly as I can before it arrives.

you can insulate the roof, but it'd have to be with kingspan and more osb!!

Also think about how you can introduce and control some natural ventilation, maybe a hit and miss vent at a suitable place

keep the pictures coming - loving this buld thread!

Also think about how you can introduce and control some natural ventilation, maybe a hit and miss vent at a suitable place

I'm thinking along the lines of a gap at the bottom of the door and a draft excluder sausage.

wow - all that glass makes the interior really airy.

Did you say the glass came from the council? If so which department, I've tried ringing a few in my local council (Cheshire East) and noby has any clue where they dispose of things like this.

to be honest you will probably get away with not using it, especially if shed interior is unheated and reasonably well ventilated

Unheated? Tis is Mcmoonter, king of the stoves and firewood.

At the very least the Duke of Fife stove lord

Nice progress. Keep the updates coming!

Lunchtime update, I made one third of the benches that will line the west half of the building.

Unheated was never an option.

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That's the last of the OSB and the insulation in place so I can finish the floor tomorrow. The new stove arrives on Wednesday, so the race is on. It can't come soon enough as the snow is back.

The glass? I got lucky, I just happened to see it in a corner of the council depot. I doubt someone on a council switchboard would know who to ask.

There was a guy on here who cleaned bus shelters and had a personal stash of glass.

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Wow! That's ace. jealous much?!

My brother came over this morning and gave me a hand to finish the floor. It's a much easier job with two pairs of hands. I loosely built the other two benches, to tops aren't nailed in place as I need to insulate and clad the walls behind them.

I found some glass that should work to insert in the door. The stove should be here tomorrow if the weather doesn't get any worse. I've still got to sort out the eaves and get the gutters up.

Will it ever be dry / warm enough to paint the exterior?

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Very impressive.

Is that a table saw you've got there?

'Kin 'ell McMoo, I've put 4 new kitchen cupboards up today whilst you've done all that. No one likes a show off you know! 🙂

Is that a table saw you've got there?

It's an elu flip saw, it's pretty handy but it doesn't cut much more than an inch deep which is a compromise.

Boblo, it's taken me all day, it's a means to an end. I can't wait to start painting in it.

It's a much easier job with two pairs of hands.

Sorry! 😳

Peterfile, there will be other projects. Stay tuned.

looks ace, keep the build pics coming!

how are you going to finish off the eaves?

how are you going to finish off the eaves?

I don't know yet. When I positioned the lowest purlin, I aligned it with the vertical outside face of the 4x4 posts, so theoretically, with the castellations sealed with the foam strip, all I need to do is infill the gap between the top window rail and the purlin. There are one or two other wee gaps that should be easy enough to fill with the offcuts I have left over.

I only had half a day today. It was so cold I had to bite the bullet and sort out the eaves on the south side, the east wind was swirling around the trees bring sleet with it. It made a huge difference with the gap closed.

I found a sheet of heavy duty laminated glass, just about the perfect size to build a door around. I was careful setting up the saw but somehow I over cut the rebates by a couple of mm. It will be fine, but I'd like to have cut it right first time.

I got a call from the carrier to say my stove will arrive on Friday. I will sort out some pipe and one of those silicon roof gaskets and if the weather stays fair over the weekend I will try and get it in and running.

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Looking good.
For flashings I used these guys recently and they seemed allright for mail order service.

http://fluesystems.com/shop/V-Seal_AD_Series_Flashings.html

Cheers Stoner, more proof that STW is more efficient than Google. 😀

Just a quick bit of beware info - not necessarily those seals in particular, but something very similar was used on a friends chimney and suffered leaks where it raised slightly due to the seam on the twin-wall. Here's a pic...

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As you can see, it's quite a small gap but enough to let in quite a large amount of water over time. Easily fixed with some of that Plumba Flue sealant or similar.

Edit : Nice build BTW.

It's a shame I'm not nearer, otherwise, I'd have sewn the 'all important draught excluder sausage' for the door 🙂

We should arrange a STW Northern meet at one of mcmoonter's palaces...

If you a in the area Footflaps, drop in.

Bunnyhop, I think the sausage may be more of a worm, the tolerances on the new door are small.

I finished the door, and got the top half glazed, I was going to board the bottom panel when a random search found a pane almost the right size in the byre. Miraculously I found a glass cutter and cut it to fit. The hinges look a bit odd but they do the job well.

I finished off the eaves too, so everything is in place for the stove arrival tomorrow.

I ordered a flue gasket last night without measuring the roof profile castellations. The flue is a bit wider than the valley, so there could be a problem. I should have phoned first. Bummer.

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The gasket should form across the ridges OK. Plenty of silicone required. Did you get the gasket fitting kit too with the self tapping sealing screws?

Depending on dimensions you may want to centralise the flue to a ridge as opposed to a valley.

The gasket should form across the ridges OK. Plenty of silicone required. Did you get the gasket fitting kit too with the self tapping sealing screws?

Yes I bought the kit too. I ordered it first class, it should be here tomorrow.

Door fit is so tight I can't get the extension cable through the gap.

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It taunts me every time I see it. I put them on as darkness was falling and I was freezing. The curse is that I pop rivited the join and it would be a faff to to sort it. Maybe when the better weather comes I'll be more motivated to sort it out.

EDIT I think it is just one or two sheets above the door, even so it needs fixing.

wee bit of advice with the door area - get a foot mat or some king of covering down, as the traffic at the door area is likely to make the floor boards swell there, with obvious consequences for opening the door

Have seen this many times with these kinds of structure

Looking superb!

That is very impressive!

Has snow been hampering progress today?

We didn't have much snow but the easterly wind was bone chilling. It was dry early morning so I finally got the ridge on and sealed. I dug in a couple of pallets to set the logs on when the stove delivery driver phoned to say he was on his way.

The stove itself is a lot lighter than my others, it's not surprising as it cost about a quarter the price, but it should be efficient enough for a shed stove.

I had to buy some new stove pipe from the merchants. The guy behind the counter instantly dismissed my installation idea and calculated the costs and availability of what I'd need. The total came to over £800. 😯

That was a non starter, so we discussed what each component on his list actually did. I figured I could do much the same with a sleeve of eight inch pipe I have at home, a couple of his wall brackets and a rain shedding pipe collar. So I left with a considerably smaller bill and the salesman shaking his head though he couldn't argue with the merits of my solution.

It was too cold by the time I got back, to install it so hopefully tomorrow I will give it a go. I have some cuttings of profile sheeting so I can have a dry run. The silicon gasket arrived too. It looks well up to the job.

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Very nice looking stove mcmoonter, and i'm suitably impressed wi your shed - does this mean we will we see a flurry of activity on the painting front this year?, a new perspective perhaps?, or will it be a case of a rocking chair on the porch in our two day summer wi a glass of wine and a sketchbook in hand. 😀

D'ya need any bends or extensions for your stove?, i have these below left over/spare from when i fitted mine, one 6" bore x 45 dg bend and two 6" bore x 3"/75mm extensions. Your for the price of postage if they're any good to you. Or anyone else can have them for postage for that matter.

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Does anyone else feel woefully inadequate on the man point scale? Think I need to go play with some tools.

It's a working space, so I am certainly going to get painting in it. I've enjoyed every second and every challenge in it's construction, I feel that has laid the perfect karmic foundation for this painter's studio.

I think I'm good for pipe just now thanks.

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Does anyone else feel woefully inadequate on the man point scale? Think I need to go play with some tools.

I think any with a bit of patience, a spirit level, some G clamps, a saw, hammer and nails anyone could make something comparable. I'm well aware how fortunate I am to have the space to build on, but you don't need a lot of space to make a durable shed than fulfills your needs.

Does anyone else feel woefully inadequate on the man point scale? Think I need to go play with some tools.

Just poor.

Just poor.

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There's not a lot to show for my afternoon's work, but it all involved careful measuring and cutting around the roof joists. It all insulated behind and it now gives me something solid to bolt the stove flue pipe brackets to.

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Fantastic. Definitely need to get a STW meet there once it's finished.

I lined the and insulated the lower potion of the gable this morning. Then set to making some flue brackets for the stove. The white eight inch section of pipe will project through the roof, and the last section of pipe will be joined inside it. So tomorrow if the weather stays dry, I will cut the hole, I will need to make up a supporting stay for the flue above the roof line, get it all sealed up, then hopefully the thing will vent well and I can at last get some heat.

Any views of cowls on the top of flues? Will I need one?

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