[Closed] Filmed by a drone. Which forums to try and track down the footage?!

Illegal to fly a drone within 50m of a person so i imagine the operator might not want to be found 🙂

I'll ask around, I live local to Camber and kitesurf there a lot, I know a few guys who do drone filming down there

Have to be very careful with where they fly them as there's a military base down the beach that don't take too kindly to unidentified drones

Always worth searching on YouTube for "drone" and your area.

I found the footage from one I saw whilst snowboarding doing exactly that.

To be fair, we probably cantered straight towards the thing so the 50m clearance was probably compromised by us 🙂

Done the Youtube thing, only four pages for 'drone' uploaded in the past week, nothing for Camber Sands but it was only 24hrs ago so might appear in time.

Thanks Hayes, my wife was on a white and brown horse and I was on a chestnut (ginger) horse 🙂 A bit east of the car park near the sea defences work.

You might also want to try "quadcopter" or "phantom" in place of "drone".

(as some of them get quite narked at the term "drone")

Flew one (a borrowed phantom 2 vision plus) for the first time yesterday. It was such a laugh. It could be quite addictive and if I had the spare cash I'd definitely think about buying one. The 50 metres from people, vehicles, buildings or structures rule could be seriously restrictive to being creative. I presume that's people who have not given you permission to film them. I also presume people/ vehicles turning up out of the blue like in Spooky's case is also no excuse.

It's regardless of permission unless you have a specific caa licence I believe.

The 50 metres from people, vehicles, buildings or structures suit could be seriously restrictive to being creative.

It's regardless of permission unless you have a specific caa licence I believe.

Sounds right to me. Personal view but they have the potential to be a complete menace and a great tool for thieving scum bags.

It's regardless of permission unless you have a specific caa licence I believe.

I can see how this might be the case. It also says not within 30m from anyone but the 'pilot' and anyone instructing the pilot at take off and landing so putting your 'actor' in there too looks to be against to rules in their most literal interpretation. 50m from anyone being filmed basically renders it useless for filming anyone who wants to be filmed - all the classic shots of following a rider down a set of jumps or hovering over a river as kayakers swoop close underneath would be impossible if you stayed within the law. From my brief play with it one of the big uses for an amateur film maker would be relatively close up replacing a camera on a dolly.

They really are so easy to fly smoothly, I was surprised how intuitive it was to do some pretty complex manoeuvres.

a great tool for thieving scum bags.

As are hammers.

I suppose that clever one that you chuck in the air and then follows (or leads) the rider (aka operator) down the trail gets around the 50m issue as its only close to the pilot 🙂

I would imagine flying within 50m may be considered too dangerous in some circles.

Clockwise or Anti-Clockwise?

it's regardless of permission unless you have a specific caa licence I believe.

Actually I've just re-read.

Paragraphs (2)(d) and (3) do not apply to the person in charge of the small unmanned surveillance aircraft or a person under the control of the person in charge of the aircraft.

I read that as if the person you are filming is being directed by you ("ride down that hill") the 50m rule does not apply.

Why has this thread gone on about legalities of drones...did anyone even SEE "cantered our horses" in the OP?!

If the inference is the OP is a Hurray Henry of the first order; from memory the OP does not fit that description- self built van driving, mountain biking normal person. 😉

might not have even been filming. not all "drones" are there breaking laws being nosey and being a menace.
although "looked fairly professional" would suggest that camera might be quite likely.
don't know any that fly around camber sands.

and the drones are in syria. multirotors are what RC flyers fly.

I hope you took the horse poop home with you 😀

If they fly closer than 50m ,are you allowed to shoot them down?
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There's various bits of 'drone blocker' kit available that disrupt signals to/from them.

I suspect they're as frowned upon as flying a drone over Downing Street, though.

If they fly closer than 50m ,are you allowed to shoot them down?

If someone shot down a couple of grands worth of drone I'd follow them till they committed a driving offence and then destroy their car. Seems fair?

Hypothetically-speaking*, would an interceptor-drone with a EMP-canon be legal?

*I appreciate that a useable anti-drone EMP weapon would probably require so much power that the drone required to lift and manoeuvre it in contested airspace would be too big for Maplins to stock.

Why does a ginger horse like to be called 'chestnut'?

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If they fly closer than 50m ,are you allowed to shoot them down?

If someone shot down a couple of grands worth of drone I'd follow them till they committed a driving offence and then destroy their car. Seems fair?

Um.......they have a gun. Seems stupid.

For those of you who are interested in getting into this as a hobby, (more stringent rules apply to professional work) the CAA website has all the information you need on safe flying. [url= http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx??catid=1995&pagetype=90&pageid=17054 ]This[/url] is a good introductory page.

Why has this thread gone on about legalities of drones...did anyone even SEE "cantered our horses" in the OP?!

It's called the art of conversation. As it's a forum not a formal meeting it's ok to discuss things.

I got buzzed by a biplane at the weekend - treetop height so probably closer than 50 metres. He gave us a cheery wave.

My Mum was strafed by a Messerschmidt during the war.

He was flying lower than 50m.

She hasn't mentioned him waving.

My Great Great Uncle Hanz flew Messerschimdts during the war, he buzzed a woman at 50' and waved. He doesn't think she seen him waving.

[i]My Great Great Uncle Hanz flew Messerschimdts during the war, he buzzed a woman at 50' and waved. He doesn't think she seen him waving. [/i]

I wasn't my mum, the bloke definitely fired. They were swimming in the river near to Shoreham Airport 'cos the beaches were all mined.

She had to hide in a ditch with my Grandma and Uncle.

"Weren't you afraid?"

"Oh no, Grandma wouldn't have let us be frightened."

Different times.

My Grandma stuck two fingers up at Jerry during the war, didn't seem to make much difference.

As for Drones (for thats the impressively descriptive noise they make) We had one buzz us (and many more people) on the beach at Hill Head on Sunday until I told the "pilot" to go fly it somewhere else other than the beach and bird sanctuary. The "pilot" seemed to take offence at my polite request until I asked to see his CAA license.

There is a steep learning curve for this ATM, the more we hear about them on the News the more the message gets out.

I hope you took the horse poop home with you

I assume he shovelled it into a bin bag then hung it from a tree. Why would you treat it different to dog poop?

there's not a steep learning curve.
there have been RC model aircraft for decades, complete with clubs, and a national organisation that has had involvment in drawing up CAA rules/regulation and law.
there might be a steep learning curve for mere punters that have heard the word "drone" on the news that have sussed that you can now buy cool toys with cameras that are easyish to fly without lots of practice flying conventional controls.

as for blockers.
the cheapest toys are bluetooth, so you have to be within a few metres to block them (and would be pointless cos they're indestructable)
the cheap slightly bigger toys are all open wifi (easy to pwn, as is well wifi as a whole really, if you know how).
the 'proper' ones are all spread spectrum cdma (or somethig like that). your choice of breaking the law and blatting out a huge wodge of 2.4GHz and taking out the entire bluetooth, wifi and ISM band locally, or find at least 255 other mates all with similar 'drones' or RC vehicles, and try to totally DDoS the vicinity. (I have seen 100+ fly all within the same field, simultaneously, all attempting to attack a target)

there might be a steep learning curve for mere punters that have heard the word "drone" on the news that have sussed that you can now buy cool toys with cameras that are easyish to fly without lots of practice flying conventional controls.

Thing is there has been a significant step change in their application from the traditional RC aircraft to the camera mounted quads of today. The old RC craft were all about the joy/skill of flying it and doing it in clubs of other slightly nerdy flyers in the middle of nowhere all made total sense. I suppose the drone/quad equivalent are these fpv racer things.

The problem is the new quads attract and entirely different type of person doing if for entirely different reasons. It's for the photographer branching out into film or the action sport gopro user looking for the ultimate viewing angle. The desire to fly around stuff and people is there where it wasn't before. I'd say it's not so much a lack of understanding of the rules but a desire to break them that is the problem. And not for malicious, potentially criminal or deliberately intrusive reasons - that's a separate problem again.

The CAA regs do seem a little bit heavy handed when applied to the "toy" quadcopters.

I understand the need for safety, but realistically how much damage is something like this little [url= http://www.banggood.com/Cheerson-CX-10C-CX10C-Mini-2_4G-4CH-6-Axis-RC-Quadcopter-with-Camera-RTF-p-989909.html ]£18 Cheerson CX-10C[/url] going to do?

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😀 I let my 5 year old fly my toy quad which is a bit bigger than that.

I do vary the location though, to throw off the CAA agents monitoring us.

Open field (airfield preferred) open sea (Atlantic preferred) or any other local enthusiast group playday and I'm fine with them.
In or near (within 1.1/2miles IMO) or any home, business, farm and then nope. I don't (well we don't) want any more noise pollution nor spying on fanx.

Take your toys and go play somewhere else.

And there is a steep learning curve for Punters, you are right. You RC types have clubs and gatherings and share knowledge about flight and control and the ability to pass on years of experience. Punter bloke has no idea and thats where I think we should license them and make them all take training/tests or become part of a club.

Sorry but IMO these are just noisy toys with the potential to spy on people and for that reason need controlling, regulating and stringent laws to abide by. I'm glad the CAA have gotten involved, clearly goes some way to mitigate the annoyance but not far enough.

Clearly all my opinion, and hey I'm allowed an opinion. 😀

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I'm glad the CAA have gotten involved,

Apart from the awful grammar in that sentence, you do appreciate that the CAA has always been involved? Fortunately their rules are slightly more lenient than you would like them to be 😉

those dinky 18 quid quadcopters are ace

they really are indestructable and can't do any harm. probably safe enough to even let the cat chase and pounce upon.

actually it's the getting too much fluff and hair twisted up round the motor shaft that's the biggest issue (pull off the props and stick them back on again), followed by getting them well trimmed (they do have a habit of drifting a lot).

Punter bloke has no idea and thats where I think we should license them and make them all take training/tests or become part of a club.

Even for a harmless little toy like the one I pictured? Seems a bit harsh.

In or near (within 1.1/2miles IMO) or any home, business, farm and then nope. I don't (well we don't) want any more noise pollution nor spying on fanx.

Okay - I'll just go back to standing at the end of your driveway with a massive telephoto lens then 😉

Manned multicopters are fine though yeah?

To be fair, we probably cantered straight towards the thing so the 50m clearance was probably compromised by us

If they were an authorised operator on a paid for engagement they should have treated that as an incursion, and (according to their ops manual procedure) landed or moved the UAV away from you.

But lets face it they weren't 🙂 - facebook groups are a good place to start looking along with YouTube.

The CAA do actually monitor YouTube posts and chase down the posters if they don't look like they are following the 'rules'.

I think the best delimiter for what could be considered a toy is the wind speed you can control the thing in. All the little ones my boys have need sub 8 year old hand/eye coordination to keep in the air in much more than a mild breeze, whilst the Phantom is rock solid in some reasonable wind.

I think the CAA rules are fine and have been around for years, although recently updated. I think the public perception is going to be the problem.

I'm not really looking forward to getting my Autonomous drone due to the amount of people that seem to get arsey about them, even if you stick to the CAA rules.

I've had Heli's & RC cars before, even with cameras and people would come up and ask questions, never got pissy, despite the huge amount of noise the RC's put out with an engine revving to 18,000rpm. I don't think this will be the case with a drone and they are much quieter. I'm hoping its a minority and not the majority that will throw a hissy fit.

I'll be keeping a flight log as I do with all my flying toys, copies of the CAA & photography rules to hand out & use an app that shows all UK no fly zones.

Hopefully the more drones over the years, the less people will care. I remember people getting funny about GoPro's filming on the trails, and now most groups of people have a GoPro.

Yaw dunna lyke me grammer den 😆

You kinda know what I'm saying.

Thing is, down on the coast there are a number of clubs that use selected airfields and disused airfields where they all play nicely. Happy with that. The teeny ones that fly in your home, fine go annoy the cat.
Trouble is with you lot is you are going through a huge influx of blokes with new toys syndrome and somehow you've got to educate them all. We won't, we'll just tell them all to sod off and go play somewhere else which will inflame the situation somewhat. We don't care really because we all think you are in the wrong, and act upon that, politely.

We also have massive Bird sanctuaries down here, you know places where flocking birds gather in their 000's.. Now we [b][i][u]do care[/b][/i][/u] about these, I wasn't the only one having a quiet word with "fat bald chip eating drone flyer in trackie bottoms" a number of our selected Twitchers were pointing out the bleeding obvious too.
Fair play, he landed it in the sea and had to go fetch it, fine with me, hope it's knackered beyond economic repair.

You have to educate this elite bunch in society, we will all watch and comment whilst these annoying buzzing things disturb our peaceful Bird sanctuaries, open beach family loving environments..Then someone will retaliate and we'll win, happy with that too.

Maybe you could all chip in and get some t-shirts printed with "I'm a Drone" emblazend upon them so we know who you are and discourage you from opening your Citroen Picasso's boot and reaching for the toy.

That'd help a great deal, thanks.

A lot of the use of 'we' in the shambles above. Who is 'we'? General public, bird twitcher types, 'people like you', your family? Who do you think you are representing? Daily Mail readers of the UK perhaps.

Whilst I agree there are lots of places where flying these things makes no sense (bird sanctuaries seem a sensible omission) I'm still glad the sensible types at the CAA are not advocating licences for all.

p.s. you sound dreadfully dull - I'd not bother too much with worrying about anyone wanting to use one to spy on you 😉