[Closed] FFS! WTF? Grrr..... Kill!

Couldn't agree more with your title to the post.

[i]Leanne steers away from healthy foods in case it makes her tots anorexic. She said: “I don’t want them to think they have to watch what they eat. I’ll tell them big is beautiful.”

Mum Jane said: “I buy salad, but nobody eats it. They’d rather have sugary foods.” [/i]

etc etc

Remember it is the Sun - large pinch of salt required

That's appalling dietry advice TJ.

Salt intake should be cut.

is it evolution or child abuse, i cant decide?

The real issue here is that somebody got that heffer pregnant in the first place. That is just sick.

Shameful behaviour and unfortunately she will have extracted money from Closer magazine to run the story and will end up with money to further bulk up her children on junk food.

What future for those poor mites ehh?

Loving the fact that the photo has got an 'enlarge' option. I really don't think that is necessary

what does she spend her day doing if she has no time to cook,

theres only so much unprotected sex and takeaway shopping i can fit into a day!

“My babies were six months old when they had their first McDonald’s. They like fish and chips too. I chew the food first so they can eat it because they haven’t got any teeth yet. I give them packets of Wotsits as a snack at 2pm."

No, no, no, no, no.

So, so, so, so wrong

I nearly puked seeing that first pic

it's like allied carpets....
"roll after roll after roll...." only fat, not carpets.

and some say fat people are thick....

I used to live in Feltham where such a picture isn't unusual sadly. Fat arses with a bundle of kids stuffing themselves with MD or BK junk are a common sight there.

Ah well - one of the casualties of capitalism. Junk food is cheap and tasty with no thought to the health detriment. thick folk get badly educated and thus end up with nowt in their lives and without the skills to survive, they are repeatedly told they are worthless - whats left for them but junk food, unprotected sex and drugs?

I blame Thatcher!

as a species we've done a pretty good job of out-witting mother nature and natural selection. Maybe we've found away to get back to sustainable populations?

😉

"Leanne, of Coventry, blames her obesity on thyroid trouble"

Ha ha ha ha ha.............

Couldn't possibly be lack of exercise and incredibly poor diet could it?

That woman is the walking (or sitting and eating) embodiment of everything that is wrong with todays society.

I'm with Franksinatra above - how could you possibly get that pregnant? The thought fills me with horror.

It is shocking but that article is the newspaper equivalent of a troll - it might as well just say 'look at this fat scummy slag and her poor scummy children, aren't they digusting'.

This bit made me laugh though - 'She added: “Anyway they don’t always have junk food — sometimes I cook a microwave meal.'

Um, it's an April fool, those children are not 8 months old.

It's a perfect story.

There's a thick fat poor woman, doing something self-evidently disgusting, involving harming poor wee defenceless children, at huge cost to the tax-payer. If only she was a gypsy or an asylum-seeker, then the freak-show journa-gasm would be complete... 🙄

EDIT: Grumm is right, trolling is exactly what it is.

Stoner - unfortunately the lumpenproletariat are outbreeding the rest of us

A couple of good SF stories about it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marching_Morons
Another one called IQ 59 or something - I cannae be botehred looking it up - same premise tho

fair play to the guy that managed it though....

must have taken lots of resolve and patience to try and find the right hole and not just a sweaty crevice.

and then he had to get it up, which would require an imagination much more vivid than mine.

that or he's just really ****ing perverted.

got an aunty, she's a fair size. we call her husband 'feeder'. not to his face mind.

Boil her down along with all the other lardies, burn the fat and use it to run a power station. Unending fuel supply and I bet it would cut down on methane as well.

G

simonfbarnes - Member
Um, it's an April fool, those children are not 8 months old.

Stoner - unfortunately the lumpenproletariat are outbreeding the rest of us

and in so doing, reducing the UK's life expectancy, which ultimately will lead to a reduction in total population.

Fortunately this system also has a topographical positive feedback loop. Since the Scots are more lumpen than the English, and the South east is tilting into the channel while the highlands are rising, hopefully the population imbalance will keep them Londoner's heads above water for a bit longer 🙂

also a team of 68 to deliver triplets ? They're having a laugh and you lot fell for it :o)

In fact those kids look bigger than my 2 year old.

perhaps there's something in the diet then?

Hairychested; stop reading the Sun.

I must say, even my objectiveness and efforts to be non-judgmental are being strained, with this one. But this woman has a shit enough life to begin with, let's face it, without being made the object of ridicule, by Britain's Scummiest Newspaper, so that it's moronic readers can point, laugh and make appalling comments.

The problem here, is not so much to do with poverty, as with education and knowledge. I, and I dare say quite a few on here, grew up in less than economically ideal circumstances, but I still had decent food, as my mum had a good knowledge of nutrition. And surely, it's education, or a lack of, in this case, that has contributed to this young woman not being aware of simple nutritional facts, or even if she is confronted with them, being able to understand the importance of a good diet and healthy lifestyle. I'd hazard a guess she is not the only obese member of her family. Growing up, I knew one or two fayt families; it seemed as though the parents wanted their kids to be fayt, so that they could be somehow closer as a family. All fatties together.

As for having her kids taken away from her; I'd say this is the very last thing that should be done. What she needs, are people to advise her on diet, and to support her in her role as a mother. Does she have that, in any adequate level? Easy for us, to sit here and hurl insults and jerk our knees uncontrollably, but we none of us know the full story.

The treatment she's getting here is disgusting. Granted, there probbly are areas where she could make more effort, but she needs to feel motivated for herself, not bullied into things.

It is a relatively extreme, and uncommon situation. One which we are seeing more of, sadly. And why is that?

Who's ultimately to blame? Is it her? Is it her parents? Is it the Government? Is it the food production companies? The Supermarkets with their '3-for-1' special offers on stodgy, sugary shite? Thatcher (probbly is Thatcher; she's to blame for most things, tbh)?

And ask yourself this: What was your reaction, on seeing this story? Was it 'oh, the stupid ugly fayt cow, she does not in any way deserve her kids, she's everything that's wrong with our society', or more 'why do live in a society where this sort of thing is happening with a frighteningly increasing regularity?'

Do we shun those who fail to live up to expectations, 'norms', ideals? Do we ostracise the imperfect? Make pariahs of those that don't measure up?

Of course, we could turn around, and try to include those who have become alienated and rejected.

But maybe, that woon't sell as many newspapers...

Bloody hell rudeboy. coherent analysis of the situation 😯

Well said RB, i just hope that wasnt a copy&paste job!

Faints.......

i thought for a moment someone had hacked rudeboys account, but then i realised that as everyone else was in agreement appart from his post it could only be him!

I'm not entirely sure of the cause. I do know for sure that these days we have vastly more public knowledge of the importance of nutrition and exercise than ever before - its splattered all over the TV, billboards, the radio and on offer in leaflet form every single GPs surgery in the country. Its given during visits to the doc and before and after pregnancy. The normal amongst us would sit and think "if she knew what it was doing to her/her kids she wouldnt do it so she must be uneducated", but I simply cant believe that this information doesnt reach anyone in this country other than those so poor they dont own TVs/radios or ever visit the GP. The very fact that this woman specifically states that microwave meals and mcDs "is healthy", and that she has a thyroid problem rather than being lazy, suggests that she is aware of the importance of diet and exercise on health but is finding any excuse not to make an effort. If she knows its a thyroid problem she has to have had it diagnosed by her GP, who would have medicated her for it - hell its possible to live without a thyroid at all and not be obese, due to the drugs available.

So in essence I think it's her fault in this case, not society as a whole.

Coffeking - read "the road to wigan pier" - it has a good section on this sort of thing. The analysis is as relevant now as it was then

http://www.theorwellprize.co.uk/the-award/works/orwellessaywiganpierfood.aspx

An extract
"When you are unemployed, which is to say when you are underfed, harassed, bored, and miserable, you don’t want to eat dull wholesome food. You want something a little bit ‘tasty’. There is always some cheaply pleasant thing to tempt you. Let’s have three pennorth of chips! Run out and buy us a twopenny ice-cream! Put the kettle on and we’ll all have a nice cup of tea! That is how your mind works when you are at the P.A.C. level. White bread-and-marg and sugared tea don’t nourish you to any extent, but they are nicer (at least most people think so) than brown bread-and-dripping and cold water. Unemployment is an endless misery that has got to be constantly palliated, and especially with tea, the English-man’s opium. A cup of tea or even an aspirin is much better as a temporary stimulant than a crust of brown bread."

She will be bombarded with far more advertising for junk food than real food

I hate to say it, but in my mind much of what we are now seeing is a product of the eighties "loads of money" culture, where having holidays/cars/larger house etc was far more important than how you brought your kids up. Todays pond lives are the children of Thatchers generation, and without being political about it we (this society) taught them to be selfish self centered and in search of instant gratification. Thats going to take a lot of unteaching frankly. I reckon we will need a Uk version of Barack Obama before we even start on it.

[i]Ah well - one of the casualties of capitalism[/i]

haha, well said comrade TJ 😆

But surely the blame lies in the welfare state wrapping her in cotton wool (or perhaps candy floss).

Never mind all that - it's in The Sun. I want to know what Anne-Marie, 19 from Watford, thinks of it all.....

enfit - slight bit of hyperbole from me there but I firmly believe there is some truth in it. 🙂

She is bombarded with advertising for poor quality food, local shops will specialise in rubbish, then there is the point made by G above, Orwells analysis of the sort of situation.

It is a multi faceted issue but capitalism by its very nature will leave casualties behind such as her. Anyone who thinks living on benefits is mollycoddling should try it for a month or two.

Society cannot be blamed for her behaviour. She is an adult and should be able to function as one.

"Should" is the operative word there mastiles. I agree but why can't she? On an individual basis there seems no answer but when we have an entire underclass functioning like this there must be something wrong in our society to create people like that

"Should be able to function as an adult" gives no solutions - not that I did either - just some analysis of why it happens

One person is ****less - an entire section of society makes me believe there is something wrong in that society

one of my favourite bits of that book TJ.

im not surprised you like the hand-wringingly middle class guilt of his style 🙂

I've always wanted to forward my copy to Gus - but he's a self proclaimed "non-reader". 🙂

We are bombarded with advertising for quality food too, and the first items when you walk into a supermarket are usually fruit and veg.

And while the snippet you quote is as true now as it was then (people naturally want nicer tasting food, obviously) I dont personally think junk food is advertised half as much as people make out, and there is plenty of advertising of good foods, and the price of good natural food is extremely cheap these days in comparison with years ago. People have to be adult about things and make adult decisions, its personal responsibility and responsibility for your children. Regardless of time, or location (hehe I grew up in Wigan and have done some voluntary work with underpriv kids there), these days we have far more understanding of the health problems and now more than ever we should be able to say "I know its not good for me, I'll have it as a treat occasionally". While I agree there is a lot of advertising of junk foods, this should not negate common sense and education of the health risks, at least one of which IS very present in pretty much all areas of society.

Just as the advertising is common, just about every daytime TV show has info about how to eat healthily, how to cook cheap healthy meals (I should know, I've taken loads of recipes from them!) and the problems associated with eating junk. The one thing the long-term unemployed have time to do is sit and watch daytime TV.

I cant even imagine what she is doing with her time to not have time to cook healthy meals for her kids.

I'm not sure why the rest of society should be held accountable for the inability of some to operate normally. Short of telling/forcing them to do things I do not see how anyone could make people behave responsibly, and if you did make people behave a certain way it would undoubtedly be classed as against their rights.

Maybe we're in a pickle because we care a little too much? Helping people out with benefits and schemes means peolpe come to expect help.
Maybe we're not helping enough, maybe all they need is a kick in the right direction - but that will cost vast sums and why should everyone else pay for it? Ultimately we will pay anyway I suppose, but where do you draw the line.

mastiles_fanylion - Member
Society cannot be blamed for her behaviour. She is an adult and should be able to function as one.

Clearly no point sending anyone to school by that logic, given that its apparently not possible to influence someones behaviour by the inputs of education and example.

Not claiming expert status on the subject Mastiles, but I suspect that with no more than a moments thought you may possibly find that you are completely wrong.

Clearly no point sending anyone to school by that logic, given that its apparently not possible to influence someones behaviour by the inputs of education and example.

Very poor analogy - children are sent to school as they are not capable of making sensible decisions for themselves. By the time they leave school they should be capable of making adult choices. Adults are usually capable of making sensible decisions. It seems we're lacking some of that these days though.

I can see why they've started introducing some of the more "odd" classes but I dont think schools are the place for such classes.

Her "ilk" rely on people making excuses for them, allowing them to avoid the issues at hand, which is her eating habits. She knows exactly what she's doing, the fat bitch is literally living off the fat of the land. She's too irresponsible to be trusted with her dole "food" money and instead should be given food vouchers redeamable only on certain food types.

Am I being a bit tough, yes.

Is this child abuse, yes

you may possibly find that you are completely wrong.

Ear we go.

Kettle's on. Choccy digestives, anyone?

should be given food vouchers redeamable only on certain food types.

Some people are so moronic that you'd only end up with a black market in junk foods.

Anyone who thinks living on benefits is mollycoddling should try it for a month or two.

I agree, anyone who has such low personal aspiration needs sympathy.
There is however still some element of personal choice which cant simply be dismissed as limited opportunities and education.

but I suspect that with no more than a moments thought you may possibly find that you are completely wrong.

As has been said on here, there is so much information available for expectant mothers - moreso for ones expecting a multiple birth. If one individual is unable to grasp what is basic information, they have no-one to blame but themselves.

Not bothered about the rights and wrongs of the mother but what she is doing to her children is child abuse. You can spend all day talking about who to blame but those children need a change now. If a parent was beating them you would not think twice about calling for some sort serious intervention, just what is the difference with this obviously unfit parent?

By the time they leave school they should be capable of making adult choices

Wouldn't disagree with that, except for the obvious fact that it very frequently doesn't happen as in this case. Think about it people you can't have it both ways. Either she is responsible for her actions, in which case she has learnt/developed that behaviour along the way, or shes not, in which case shes a victim.

My argument on that subject is that as a society we went through a seed change in the 80's where the norm changed from two parents, one at work and one at home with the kids to one where two parents are at work and latterly one parent families substantially changed the dynamic of family life and we are now reaping the rewards, where what to me is abnormal behaviours are now the norm and vice versa.

Adults are usually capable of making sensible decisions

I find this assertion unfounded.

riding an MTB - not sensible
being fat - not sensible
believing in gods - not sensible
believing made up stories from The Sun - not sensible

we may have the capacity to be sensible but oftentimes prefer something easier or more fun...

Silly theories about something being wrong with society that produces parents/people like that are blown out of the window when you get 'normal' people growing up and coming out of these communities.

I grew up on a council scheme, surrounded by tubsters, teenagers with 3 babies, people with aspirations to have a big old smelly banger of a car, the men who go poaching with their air rifles and ther women who make tina turner's voice sound like the queens.

I wasn't told what to do by society. I ignored the adverts, my mum went out to grocers to buy me veg and healthy food. I got 2 degrees and work as a professional, am a home-owner with savings and don't yet have kids. That was because my mother and I chose to live a healthy and sensible life. Each of these social-scum can choose to do what they want, and generally what they want is to be useless, fat and lazy, smoke and eat cr*p and pop out a few kids to increase the household income.

IT'S A CHOICE!

Anyone who thinks living on benefits is mollycoddling should try it for a month or two.

Agreed, but thats how it should be - you shouldnt be able to live easily off it for long periods unless the lack of employment is down to reasons beyond your control. Lack of ambition and drive are not beyond your control.

Very difficult area.

Could any right-thinking adult think it is okay to chew fish & chips and then feed it to a child because they can't chew it themselves?

also totally made up - the whole piece is a piss take. Shame on you for being so uncritically credulous.

[i]By the time they leave school they should be capable of making adult choices[/i]

Wouldn't disagree with that, except for the obvious fact that it very frequently doesn't happen as in this case. Think about it people you can't have it both ways. Either she is responsible for her actions, in which case she has learnt/developed that behaviour along the way, or shes not, in which case shes a victim.

The crux of the matter. We can all say "should" but it plainly is not what is happening on the ground. seeing as we cannot even agree the reasons for this happening - tainted by ideology from both sides perhaps- then there is little hope for finding a solution.

As for the healthy food option for people on sink estates - just go and look at the shops available in those areas. its not Waitrose and independent veg shops - its Lidl and Farmfoods. I live in an old working class area that is gentrified - there is no quality fruit and veg available at a reasonable price within cycling distance.

I do go along with the argument of the sociological shift in the 80s that produced an underclass that has basically been left behind. Ill educated, out of work, addicted to junk food, fags and cheap drugs - prescription and otherwise. Living in poor accommodation and with poor prospects. These folk have low self esteem and find it very hard to get out of the situation they find themselves in. Regardless of how it happened, it has happened. Either we as a nation tolerate it or we do something about it.

What to do about it is of course very hard to see. Simply throwing money at them will not do - it needs a major shift in society in the way it works and in the attitudes of the majority to the underclass.

mysterymurdoch : Arguing against or agreeing with my point? Surely you are saying that your parental influences made you what you are. So why should that not then equally apply to someone else but in a negative context.

In fact how could you possibly get so high up on your high horse and not recognise how lucky you were in relation to those around you who weren't given those chances by their parents.

Surely you are saying that your parental influences made you what you are.

apocryphal. Everyone ignores their parents. You learn from your peers.

apocryphal. Everyone ignores their parents. You learn from your peers

It depends on age. For young children peers may not exist, all socialisation is learned from parents.
As children grow they mix more with peers and the socialisation broadens.

its Lidl and Farmfoods

Plenty of decent quality food in lidl and farmfoods, just not super-expensive M&S foods. One of my usual shopping locations is right in the middle of a rather dodgy glasgow location, where there is a large tesco and a lidl, both have a VAST array of decent quality food at very reasonable prices. Sure the local corner shop will be full of tat but again you should exercise your brain and go to the cheaper shops with better food if you are an adult. If you choose not to do that for yourself then at least when you have a kid you should make that switch for their benefit.

apocryphal. Everyone ignores their parents. You learn from your peers.

Actually the majority of learning is done between the time of birth and 5 years of age. What traditionally comes after and is as you rightly say hugely influenced by peers is a tiny fraction of what comes before. That is why since the 80's "peer influence" has in fact become a substantial issue as we have changed to a society where those significant first years are often now spent in a form of care, as opposed to the traditional home environment. Whilst it is always possible to argue the specific against the general, the fact is that we are all aware of a general lowering of standards in most areas of society.

Is there any harm in a small child having a bit of pre-chewed fish 'n' chips and some cheesy wotsits as part of a balanced diet? Somehow I rather doubt it. ❓

But I agree with sfb that this story has been made up to annoy.

~Not sure a pack of cheesy whatsits would ever form part of a balanced diet for a child that old. A kid of 4 maybe, but not a toddler. Just go take a look at the quantity of fat and calories in a pack of them and realise their daily intake should be around 800cals - that pack would be a very large portion of it.

Actually the majority of learning is done between the time of birth and 5 years of age

learning to talk and move perhaps but 5 year olds are not noted for their sensibility or depth of thought.

If we choose to believe the story (I must admit to being somewhat sceptical this person could actually exist), then I stand by my view - no-one in this country needs pity for acting in the way this woman *has. No blame needs placing anywhere other than at *her feet. No-one could possibly think it is okay to change their children's clothes just once a week if they have the financial ability to buy 10 cigarettes a day and eat at MacD's. Fair enough if she was living in a South American slum, but certainly not in the UK (yet - the financial meltdown might mean we are all living in slums soon)...

*If she exists

[i]Remember it is the Sun - large pinch of salt required[/i]

Well she does look like a slug. I know 'would you' threads have been bad but, well....for £50,000........would you? I would 8)

yup its a recession allright, worst since the 1930's

Back then some guy in Germany became popular for blaming everyones problems on the Jew's and gypsies.

Now then, if the state didnt give her a house then she'd be gypsy, and banking is traditionaly linked with which religion?

I doubt the story is made-up at all. That would be illegal. No newspaper, not even the Scum, can print lies. I've emailed a mate who works for them, to ask him.

Meanwhile, elsewhere, there are far worse things happening, I'm sure.

Things that don't sell newspapers as well.

SFB they cant 'make' this up. They can find stories though that troll for public opinion/stick out.

Sadly, this sort of abuse etc is not isolated.

As the father of triplets in a small house I sympathise with one line [b](and one line only)[/b]... [i]Their tiny house is strewn with laundry piles and toys.[/i]

p.s. there were 15 in the operating theatre when ours were delivered. (not including me and the wife)

My argument on that subject is that as a society we went through a seed change in the 80's where the norm changed from two parents, one at work and one at home with the kids to one where two parents are at work and latterly one parent families substantially changed the dynamic of family life and we are now reaping the rewards, where what to me is abnormal behaviours are now the norm and vice versa.

That'd be an almost believable argument* if it wasn't for the fact that most of these people being talked about in these silly articles are long term unemployed and often children of unemployed parents. It isn't that they aren't seeing their kids.

Joe

*except for being a bit daily mail

It won't be made up as such but slanted in the direction they think will make the best story.

Its all very well saying she "should" be more responsible - but she isn't - and why? You need to sort the chicken from the egg. Establish why she and many others behave like this and then you can take the steps to prevent this sort of thing.

Merely saying - its her fault gets society nowhere.

Perhaps saying it's her fault, then removing her from society and putting her in a pit with everyone else like her, will get society somewhere. The objective isn't to clean up society, it's to clean up individuals. Give her kids a chance by allowing some more intelligent people to look afte them! Sort out the individuals and society takes care of itself (pennies and pounds and all that).

The question "what's wrong with society?" is essentially flawed. It should almost ALWAYS be "What's wrong with these people?". The cause comes from the person, not beyond.

*except for being a bit daily mail

😯 I've never been accused of that before !!

A pleasant change from soft liberal bedwetting commy, Joe, so thanks for that.

Dear oh dear...

there is always a spectrum of behavior in society, the story highlights one end of it

there are no winners in stories like this, its just used by which ever end of the political spectrum for their own ends. From its Thatchers fault (how long ago did she go?) to look at the underclass and stop their benefits.

freedom and a democratic society means that you have to respect peoples right to behave how they want within the constraint of law. If they want to self justify their behavior (McD's are healthy) then we need to accept they can do that. The underclass have always existed and had their own subcultures where what "normal" people aspire to is seen as strange or stupid.

The question "what's wrong with society?" is essentially flawed. It should almost ALWAYS be "What's wrong with these people?".

I'm guessing here, but are you a royalist by any chance mystery? 🙄

Hate the buggers G! My point simply is that there are no politicians to blame for the fat one feeding her kids chips, just the braindead useless pleb herself.

Big and daft - when I was the kid in the 70's the "underclass" was much smaller and far less divorced from mainstream society compared to today.

Mystery: To be fair I did make the point that it was politics apart.

What I actually said was that as a society we have at best accepted a situation where kids aren’t getting the proper messages from their folks about how to live healthy lives. Whilst there will always be a few who rise above that situation, most won’t so we have to bear some responsibility for what is a societal problem collectively.

The reason I asked the Royal Family question is that it’s the same argument in essence, i.e. that the Royals are believed to be special by reason of birth, and that therefore ipso facto if you believe that you will also believe it is not possible to impact upon a persons life style or status, as its something you are genetically programmed with from birth. (Also bol-locks IMHO).

I just happen to believe (along with most of academia, but not SFB apparently) that a great deal of what shapes a person happens in years one to five of their lives. If that is seriously flawed their life chances are IMHO likely to be severely impeded. For that reason, I'll bring politics in, and the short termism that is a feature of our political system is a serious problem that we all need to wake up to and strive to change, (and yes this bit of it was down to Thatcherism, but its not an accolade that is unique to her).

The Infant and Toddler Forum poll also discovered that 65 per cent of mums NEVER cook meals from scratch.

😯

While I don't believe that as a figure, how sad that they are missing out on the delights of ['real'] food?