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Any of you folks use it?I,m in a new home and I wondered if you have any tips.Southeast/Northwest house(I think). Cheers
As long as there's a space for my holographic energy bands I'm happy.
Translates as "snake oil"
😆
Erm, No.
What's your evidence for that assertion RH?
What's your evidence that he's wrong? Burden of proof lies with the claimant.
It works for the Chinese(honed over thousands of years).
Anecdotes are not evidence.
Many things "work for the Chinese," they're bollocks also.
Snake oil has infinite uses.
None of them, however, "work".
See also: superstition
Feng Shui is not one size fits all so generally it is associated with the owner first then occupants.
However, there is a lot of basic information available from the interweb so just read them up and deal with the very basic and you should be fine.
You need to employ the expert if you really want to do it properly.
Non-believers will always be non-believers even in the far east as most people don't believe in Feng Shui or lack such knowledge or understanding. Even in a society where such tradition is well known most people just employ a "master" for advice.
I was listening to a local programme in HK where the local commentators were saying that majority of the HK people give jack shit to all religions or belief including their own. But whenever they need help they can find plenty in the society so that's the different.
Rob Hilton - Member
Snake oil has infinite uses.None of them, however, "work".
See also: superstition
Whether it works or not it does not matter what matter is it gives the believers peace of mind.
If you are happy using Feng Shui where it gives you happiness then that is good enough.
See also: Happiness, peace of mind.
GTF.
Shallow fry in sesame oil
Whether it works or not it does not matter what matter is it gives the believers peace of mind
I'll give a bit on that as telling lies to people to make them feel better, such as religion, homeopathy & placebo medicines do have their place. But if these "masters" are making a living out of this shit are they not preying on the innocent?
I won't have a word said against Psychic Sally, mind 
Feng Shui?
Best in omelette yes?
Origami works better than Feng Shui
Rob Hilton - Member
I'll give a bit on that as telling lies to people to make them feel better, such as religion, homeopathy & placebo medicines. But if these "masters" are making a living out of this shit are they not preying on the innocent?I won't have a word said against Psychic Sally, mind
Since the scientific minds always champion experiment let's try this to see if something happens. All you with scientific minds give it a go.
This is an experiment to see if it actually works.
Do this this year 2016 then see if something happens to you.
[b]
Have your working desk sit facing the following angle between 232.5 – 247.5 degrees[/b], or go outside your house and start digging a small hole in the ground in the [b]southwest [/b]or get hammer to hammer that location.
Sit at your working desk with you [b]back to the South this year[/b].
At this location this year [b]south (142.5 – 217.5 degree) do this.
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Try to dig a hole or small hole in the ground in the garden or do something like moving earth or do decoration if it is in the house, then see if you encounter three occurrences this year.
In the [b]North East of your garden or house[/b] ... dig a hole or do decoration in the NE if inside the house such as maintenance work etc. See if something will happen ...
The above should be interesting experiments so once you have done the above you just sit back to observe and by March 2017 you should try to reevaluate to see if you wish is fulfilled.
Be brave to give them a go so please don't give the poncy excuses like you cannot do it because you don't belief and shite like that. They are or should be "scientific" experiment at the basic, so action please rather than your poncy excuses.
I suspect alot of it is just common sense.Thus excluding most of the minds on here.
I,m water sign apparently.Not to keen on the north thing however.
If it makes you feel better do it. But it is bollocks.
Have your working desk sit facing the following angle...
I'm unemployed, will this still not have any effect on "something" happening to me? Something?? Over the period of a year? GTFO!!!
Something [i]is[/i] happening to me right now - my chuckle button is being pressed 😆
inside the house
I live in a flat. I also have no garden.
Hang on! I've encountered physic abilities this convincing elsewhere - you're Sally aren't you!?
How can I observe "something" without knowing what the something is?
What about my broken desk?Have your working desk sit facing the following angle...
Rob Hilton - Member
I'm unemployed, will this still not have any effect on "something" happening to me? Something?? Over the period of a year? GTFO!!!
Doesn't matter just do it see if something will happen.
I live in a flat. I also have no garden.
No need garden so inside your flat in those directions ...
scotroutes - Member
What about my broken desk?
Does not matter so long as that is your work place. Just face that direction ...
Never try never know. We all need some sort of experiment and this is the least we can do to try them out.slowoldman - Member
If it makes you feel better do it. But it is bollocks.
this is the least we can do
I'm going to do less than you suggest - less is more according to homeopathy, so even more "something" will* happen as a direct result.
*won't
see if something will happen
I'm quite sure it will 😀
See excuses, excuses ... Just do it man! 🙄Rob Hilton - Member
I'm going to do less than you suggest - less is more according to homeopathy, so even more "something" will* happen as a direct result.*won't
Nobody knows so it is high time some of them give it a try.Lady Gresley - Member
see if something will happen
I'm quite sure it will
Advice: get an expert in. I used to work for an Asian focused bank so we had Feng Shui in every room, coins and little statues placed in various spots by the expert. Large Dragon statue facing outwards to ward off evil spirits. No floor 4 (bad luck). We got whacked by the Financial Crises and shares fell from 21 to 5 but we didn't die so maybe it works 😯
Depends what you mean by 'work'. Many simple aspects work, for example not sitting with you back to the door, or with ou back towards a corner or having our chair under a roofbeam. These work, they feel more comfortable for many people. Do they bring luck? Well,people who believe they are lucky are luckier.
a lot depends on your character.
But not sure which is cause or effect.
in feng shui, much can be deduced about a person by the way they describe their surroundings
Perhaps if you'd got a better expert in the dragon would have done its job better.
see if something will happen
What if I didn't do any of that stuff and something just happened?
Correlation does not equal causation.
What's this "something?" Moreover, does anyone ever got a year without "something" happening? "Something" happens to me on a daily basis.
to the point the basics of the blind test is a group of people do the test, a number of them do all the stuff you say, another group so basically the opposite of what you suggest but believing it's right, then some people just get on with their lives and compare the results.
but compare what aspect of the reuslt? You need to look for an outcome on this blind test, besides, this 3 arm test would be very difficult to make blind. How would you get those who just carried on to be 'blind'?
but compare what aspect of the reuslt?
I think it's one of those things that the people telling us it works need to let us know, you know the positive effects what are they?
The ones who did nothing? just tell them they are part of a study, right down when "something happens" and fill in the same questionnaires as the other participants.
Then we shall have another topic to chinwag on STW ... Chinwag <= that term makes me laugh all the time.mikewsmith - Member
see if something will happen
What if I didn't do any of that stuff and something just happened?
Don't go anal about the experimental set up yet. It's just a try to see if something happens. It will normally takes 3 months to see things happening but if there is a "9" digit in your age, you might see things happening much faster if I am right or the happening will be much obvious.
Basically good or bad it is down to your nature as person i.e. the result is contingent upon your nature as person in life.
Give it a go first then after that we can go anal about chin waging a proper experimental set up if there is a need.
chewkw, I have a feeling you are making this up. 🙂
You are giving me too much credit Slowoldman chap as it is beyond my capability other than me having some knowledge of them. i.e. just surface knowledge based on our culture.slowoldman - Member
chewkw, I have a feeling you are making this up.
Yes, there is superstitious nonsense in many cultures.
Give it a go see what happen worst case scenario you might be intrigued then you might develop your own rationality.slowoldman - Member
Yes, there is superstitious nonsense in many cultures.
I always though that it could be summed up as 'don't leave the bog door open while you're dropping the kids off'
When we were selling our house (in Chorlton - where else?), the couple buying it contacted our solicitor (at the eleventh hour) to say that they wouldn't be able to complete on the day originally agreed as they'd consulted their Feng Shui advisor who had informed them that the chi wasn't right for the house on that particular date, and given them another date a few weeks later when it would be. So they'd have to put everything on hold until then. Having spoken to them, having assumed it was a joke, he said they were actually deadly serious
I told him to instruct them that if they didn't stop this new age nonsense immediately, and stop being so silly I would be putting the house straight back on the market, and they could start house hunting all over again
Thinking about it I may have worded it slightly differently than that. There's a possibility that a lot more swearing was involved, but you get the gist
We didn't find out how much they had been charged for this 'advice'. They ended up going with my option. I'm unaware if anything cataclysmic happened as a result of this spiritual recklessness
If FS is about common sense then there must be some truth is it not? If there is some truth in them in whatever unseen ways then wouldn't it make sense to minimise/maximise the possibilities?binners - Member
I always though that it could be summed up as 'don't leave the bog door open while you're dropping the kids off'
The fees charged depends on FS adviser's ability. How about you find out how they are doing since moving into your old house. i.e. career, health and finance. You don't have to ask for the details just general positives or negatives.We didn't find out how much they had been charged for this 'advice'. They ended up going with my option. I'm unaware if anything cataclysmic happened as a result of this spiritual recklessness
Quick note - most British house will not pass FS test with their front door position. i.e. front door facing toilet door and front door facing rear door directly.
What has digging a hole in your garden and spinning your desk got to do with common sense?
How about you find out how they are doing since moving into your old house. i.e. career, health and finance.
And pray tell how that could be compared with the outcome if Feng Shui had not been used?
Would they not find that a bit odd? That the bloke who swore at them suddenly turned up out of the blue to enquire about their spritual wellbeing? I know I would. In fact I'd find it sinister enough to bugger up my chi completely, and I'd probably spend the evening with the lights off, hiding under the bed
Are you going to come up with excuses or are you going to test it out? Just do it! Continue for 3 months then report back.Drac - Moderator
What has digging a hole in your garden and spinning your desk got to do with common sense?
For the garden, just dig a hole then refill the hole with the same earth you have just dug up. Make a the hole at least 1 feet x 1 feet wide and deep. Or to keep it simple get a nail or a plank of wood hammer it into the ground in that location the leave it.
Do them all then report back.
That depends on how observant one can be. Sometimes we just don't notice things and as a result we don't know what happened, is happening and going to happen to us.slowoldman - Member
And pray tell how that could be compared with the outcome if Feng Shui had not been used?How about you find out how they are doing since moving into your old house. i.e. career, health and finance.
Generally, if you feel better and become much happy by comparison to your previous location (house in the above case) then that is good enough which means they have improved.
In FS this is good enough outcome. You might argue that it could be bias in opinion but whether that is or not so long as there is happiness that is good enough.
FS to some extend is accumulation of probability from observation thousands years ago. Yes, different culture and different time etc ... the principle is the same so it is up to the FS practitioner ability to update that knowledge.
Are you going to come up with excuses or are you going to test it out? Just do it! Continue for 3 months then report back.
What excuse? I asked you question and you tell me put a nail in a bit of wood. 😕
Laugh you may but property developers love Feng Shui as they can sell apartments facing the Thames for much more money to believers than they can to normal punters like me and I love a view over water.
If we apply FS commonsense then they have started badly. The first encounter is negative yet that might just be a normal minor drawback or can lead to something negative in future only time will tell. The result greatly depends on the buyer i.e. property owner. If s/he can handle the negatives then his/her family will be fine otherwise plenty of headaches.binners - Member
Would they not find that a bit odd? That the bloke who swore at them suddenly turned up out of the blue to enquire about their spritual wellbeing?
Drac - Moderator
Are you going to come up with excuses or are you going to test it out? Just do it! Continue for 3 months then report back.What excuse? I asked you question and you tell me put a nail in a bit of wood.
No, no ... let's start again. Not nail in the bit of wood. Use a hammer and put a nail into the earth/ground or use a plank and hammer it into the earth/ground.
Nail to the ground or plank to the ground then leave it for 3 months. You don;t have to do it continuously everyday for 3 months ... that just my poor explanation. 😛
Generally, if you feel better and become much happy by comparison to your previous location (house in the above case) then that is good enough which means they have improved.
Maybe they just feel better 'cos they moved to a nicer house/neighbourhood. Maybe they changed job, diet, got out on their bikes more.
Yes, that is a possibility but it all depends on the timing.slowoldman - Member
Maybe they just feel better 'cos they moved to a nicer house/neighbourhood. Maybe they changed job, diet, got out on their bikes more.
It may also be something to do with magic rainbow unicorns. Never underestimate their influence on the cosmos.
Could be right. Lots of unicorns in Chorlton.
I've heard they also put in Lion deterrent into the walls. Must work as no one has been attached by a lion on the banks of the Thames.
C'mon you old boys (ya, we are not young) give it a try then see what happen.
Cost you nothing other than perhaps the outcome or result of the experiments.
What exactly is supposed to happen?
Sorry fella. There is absolutely no way on earth that my OCD will allow me to place a desk, of anything else for that matter, at anything other than an exact 90 degree angle or perpendicular to the surrounding walls.
And anything that asks me to commit such heresy is inheretently evil, and not to be trusted
If I know the exact outcome then they will be no need for experiment innit.Drac - Moderator
What exactly is supposed to happen?
Apparently the followings will happen, speculatively, in no particular order:
1. Health
2. Finance
3. Career
binners - MemberSorry fella. There is absolutely no way on earth that my OCD will allow me to place a desk, of anything else for that matter, at anything other than an exact 90 degree angle or perpendicular to the surrounding walls.
If you have a garden then try the above suggestion for the garden.
If you are in your flat/house try doing something to that part of your flat/house like decoration etc as suggested or whatever your OCD permits.
Apparently the followings will happen, speculatively, in no particular order:1. Health
2. Finance
3. Career
Good or bad? Will the opposite happen if I decided not hammer nails into the soil?
Drac - Moderator
Apparently the followings will happen, speculatively, in no particular order:
1. Health
2. Finance
3. CareerGood or bad? Will the opposite happen if I decided not hammer nails into the soil?
Nails not compulsory in case you nail straight into main power cable in that case you might be BBQ instantly.
You can simply hammer a plank of wood into that location or in that direction. Try do it at the corner of your garden where nobody goes. Or you can dig a hole and then plan something there ... or simply take a spade to turn the earth around that area. Do this several times in this year.
The idea is to do some changes to that direction. Good or bad depends entirely on you as a person.
If you don't do anything to those direction you life will go as normal ... good or bad.
If you try the experiment there might be possibility you [u]might[/u] see "something" ...
Have just purchased one of those lucky waving chinese cat thingys,not sure if its in the correct FS position though.Does make me chuckle though,like a placky feline Hitler
Actually, those waving cats should not be put in the house. They are only for use in businesses. Bad luck to have them in the house
The idea is to do some changes to that direction. Good or bad depends entirely on you as a person.If you don't do anything to those direction you life will go as normal ... good or bad.
So I try it something good or bad might happen, if I don't something good or bad might happen.
Well I'm sold.
Have your working desk sit facing the following angle between 232.5 – 247.5 degrees
I can just imagine a work appraisal now;
"you've missed your delivery deadline and the network you designed has gone pear shaped"
"Sorry boss, not really my fault. My desk is facing 173' so the feng shui is all wrong which led to the delay and network failing"
So I try it something good or bad might happen, if I don't something good or bad might happen.
Now when you put it like that it's a win win for the snake oil salesman, complete with disclaimer and no actual promise.
Drac - Moderator
So I try it something good or bad might happen, if I don't something good or bad might happen.Well I'm sold.
Well, I don't want to bias the result hence I rather give you a neutral answer now.
Once you have done that you will find plenty of evidence regarding that direction then we can all chinwag about the results. Try it.
Ya, they are cute but I am not sure of the effectiveness.sparkyrhino - Member
Have just purchased one of those lucky waving chinese cat thingys,not sure if its in the correct FS position though.Does make me chuckle though,like a placky feline Hitler
Never heard of that before but I am certain no bad luck will come to you even if it is in the house.CharlieMungus - Member
Actually, those waving cats should not be put in the house. They are only for use in businesses. Bad luck to have them in the house
Commonsense says you just made up that story for your own inept. You're fried! Not fired but fried. 😆scruff9252 - Member
"Sorry boss, not really my fault. My desk is facing 173' so the feng shui is all wrong which led to the delay and network failing"
Cats don't work but a nail in the group ground does. What if we bury the cat?
You can buy one of those cute battery powered cat for cuteness if you wish so no harm done. Just a plastic toy.Drac - Moderator
Cats don't work but a nail in the group ground does. What if we bury the cat?
Nail on the ground on the other hand is different.
Yeah it's not as cute.
C'mon you guys, give it a try! What have you got to lose? The placebo effect is well known so some of you suckers will genuinely believe things have improved and chewkw will be made up! Just imagine his deluded little face all glowing.
Don't go anal about the experimental set up yet. It's just a try to see if something happens. It will normally takes 3 months to see things happening but if there is a "9" digit in your age, you might see things happening much faster if I am right or the happening will be much obvious.
The effectiveness or not of FS aside, how can a man-made construct of something as abstract as "numbers" possibly have a bearing on something supernatural unless we got bloody lucky in choosing our number base?
No answers to my other comments, Chewkw?
The idea is to do some changes to that direction. Good or bad depends entirely on you as a person.If you don't do anything to those direction you life will go as normal ... good or bad.
If you try the experiment there might be possibility you might see "something" ...
So you're asserting that if we follow FS principles, something positive or negative may or may not happen to our health or finance or career?
Seriously?
You're either trolling or bonkers. If you genuinely believe what you're saying then you're a posterboy for why it's nonsense.
Yes, give it a try as this is the start of an experiment. No, I am not trying to make a fool out of anyone. In fact it is rather serious to see if something will happen.davosaurusrex - Member
C'mon you guys, give it a try! What have you got to lose?
Actually FS is based on ancient observation of repeated occurrences over thousands of years. i.e. a bit like scientific observation. But in those days obviously they do not have sophisticated software tools so just jot down whatever they observed then tally them up to find the correlation. Yes, their method of inquiry perhaps is not as standardised as what you have nowadays but nevertheless they did something many did not in those early days. i.e. observation.Cougar - Moderator
No answers to my other comments, Chewkw?
As for numbers they are representation of something so not just numbers as we know. For example, number "9" signify a departure from a range of numbers (1-8) so if you think about it you are much older when you are say at 59 year old then you were when you are at 50. Based on the speculation, that number (9) may also be detriment to you as you aged by nearly a decade and if you observe there are many who reach the milestone of say 49 (mid life crisis remember?), 59, 69, 79 etc ... would normally encountered something changing in life. Not all but high probability.
The 69 years of age that I am eager to see now is Hilary Clinton. She is 69 year old and recently suffered some health problems. The question is, is she now at her most vulnerable period of her life? Not careful her health might take a toll on her. That's just my own unscientific speculation so make it whatever you will but let's observe. Her opponents Trump does not flare any better but at least he is 70 year old pass the danger point. Hence, these two political figures are having a closed encountered with each other at their weak and weakest point in life.
No, I don't. Nobody force anyone to believe something they don't want to. However, if someone wants to know I shall try to explain.So you're asserting that if we follow FS principles, something positive or negative may or may not happen to our health or finance or career?
In our culture some of us don't even want to believe which is fine too as nobody forces another person to believe or not not believe.
FS is our part of our culture and belief so to outsiders our thinking can be difficult to comprehend at times.You're either trolling or bonkers. If you genuinely believe what you're saying then you're a posterboy for why it's nonsense.
Right I hammered a nail in to the soil. This broke the lawnmower. Don't give up I thought and dug a hole as instructed. Needed to go to the shed in the dark, badly twisted my ankle when my foot partially penetrated the freshly dug soil. Still, I think, great health and fortune await! I therefore placed a plank of wood in the garden as suggested. This was hit by an errant firework and set on fire. Unfortunately sparks from said fire landed on the shed and fence setting both on fire. At this stage I panicked (as one would) ran outside with a bucket of water, tripped over the broken lawnmower and fell on to a smouldering plank of wood. This resulted in third degree burns and splinters.
Feng Shui can $&@% off!
funkmasterp - Member
Right I hammered a nail in to the soil. This broke the lawnmower. Don't give up I thought and dug a hole as instructed. Needed to go to the shed in the dark, badly twisted my ankle when my foot partially penetrated the freshly dug soil. Still, I think, great health and fortune await! I therefore placed a plank of wood in the garden as suggested. This was hit by an errant firework and set on fire. Unfortunately sparks from said fire landed on the shed and fence setting both on fire. At this stage I panicked (as one would) ran outside with a bucket of water, tripped over the broken lawnmower and fell on to a smouldering plank of wood. This resulted in third degree burns and splinters.Feng Shui can $&@% off!
That is a good funny make up story ... good laugh. 😆
Placing a plank is not part of instruction.
You should be implanting the plank onto the ground.
That is a good funny make up story ... good laugh.
Very Feng Shui.
FS is our part of our culture and belief so to outsiders our thinking can be difficult to comprehend at times.
So we can file it with sky fairies and dragons?
No, I don't. Nobody force anyone to believe something they don't want to. However, if someone wants to know I shall try to explain.
What seems to be getting confused is tradition and well being/improvement. If in order to make your life better you need to hammer nails into the garden, dig holes and orientate your desk then carry on. Just don't expect that people will have the same "improvement" as you as we are non believers or just looking at it rationally.
Taking some of this to it's logical conclusion for a western perspective, most peoples stairs will be the wrong way as historically they should be done so that the man of the castle can swing his sword on them. Windows should be very small as they let all the heat out and at no point should you accept toy horses.
Is that makes you happy why not?mikewsmith - Member
So we can file it with sky fairies and dragons?
I ain't saying whether it is good or bad so you cannot try that on me, I ain't giving anything away until you try it out.If in order to make your life better you need to hammer nails into the garden, dig holes and orientate your desk then carry on.
Window is not that major of a concern but your main door or main entrance is.Windows should be very small as they let all the heat out and at no point should you accept toy horses.
I ain't saying whether it is good or bad so you cannot try that on me, I ain't giving anything away until you try it out.
lets just accept that I'm not going to bother, the same as I don't do religion or horoscopes. I also won't be off to visit the haunted castle or have my fortune told.
However murder rates and mountain ranges I'm in there
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mikewsmith - Member
However murder rates and mountain ranges I'm in there
It's hard to deny the facts
Ya, a while back I tried that sort of arguments with you lot the so called positivists or scientific minded folks that keep banging on about "facts". If you present data that way then yes everything correlates but then who knows there might be some unexplained correlation.
Anyhoo, I ain't going into all this positivist discussion now so let's all just chinwag.