[Closed] Fecking BMW drivers............

Im starting to get fed up with my daily commute!!

sounds like a right road-owning nudger

so you performed an illegal undertake, raced on a public highway and exceeded the speed limit by 30mph?

be careful all the way up there on that high horse....

😉

Flashing him is not friendly. I bet you were too close as well. 2 second rule

Still he does sound a knobber. Don't get involved as you did and making that overtake would have saved you a few tenths of a second.

Relax. You get there as quickly and far less stressed

i agree with jam bo, but if the tool sits there in the outside lane ignoring all requests to move over and then speeds up, he is the one on his road-owning high horse.

So undertaking him and accepting his negative response and going up to 100mph is EXCELLENT driving then?

It's not your responsibility to 'make a point', that's when accidents happen.

when he got in behind you you should have stood on the anchors. Not big or clever but you may have got a claim in and a few weeks off riding. Imo.

Would you have posted this same thread had the driver been in something that wasn't a BMW?

I was sat further back than the two second rule, I was being patient and apart from flashing him once i did nothing else to upset him.

yes I undertook , I didnt like doing it but this chopper wasnt moving form love nor money, ditto speeding up to 100mph not big nor clever.

I do 24000 miles a year mostly on the motorway and the standard of driving I see is sometimes quite scary !!

CFH yes i would!!

[i]I do 24000 miles a year mostly on the motorway and the standard of driving I see is sometimes quite scary !![/i]

and if you'd observed two cars doing what you did this morning?

Fair one Jambo but i just get sooooooooo frustrated with it .

Sorry renton - you lost the plot, got involved in a road rage incident and performed a dangerous manoeuvre.

Relax and slow down.

Interesting. Renton, what car do you drive?

A ford Cmax diesel

TJ you are right I did !!

For 7 months last yr I had to use the M3 and M25 weekdays to get to work. Hated it, there are some reet strokers out there.

Hmmm, I'm with Flash. I suspect you'd have worded the title a little differently though. All your messing around on the motorway probably got you to work around a nanosecond earlier. No time is made or lost on a moving motorway. It's the few miles before and after where your time is taken.

As TeeJ says, relax. I know it's frustrating when you come up against guys like this (funny though, I find it's the person that's the cock, rather than the car), but give them a bit longer to move. DON'T flash, and let someone behind you execute the crazy undertake manouevre.

That's your first problem, second is losing it and endangering other road users

renton have a think about it this way. There is an unmarked police car behind you at this incident. Which one do they stop for dangerous driving? You the flashing undertaker or the BMW driver not exceeding the speed limit not breaking the law. You I'm afraid. Chill out.

So im coming up the m42 this morning in the outside lane in my bmw 325 in the outside lane doing about 60mph.

Some idiot in a Cmax moves behind me starts flashing his lights aggresively.

Well, in that case, I think to myself, I'll just stay out here for a little while, have a laugh at Mr Impatient "I have ot be at work on time, the world will end if I'm five minutes late" behind me.

So, this muppet undertakes me, starts accelerating. Well, let's enjoy this I think, so I accelerate along with him. I think he was trying to make some kind of point about how macho he was. After it all got a little silly, I let him pull in front and then I decided to give him a friendly flash or two of my lights to remind him what a nobber he was.

why couldnt he just wait patiently or is it his god given right as a Cmax driver to sit in the outside lane all the time??

Hmmm.

Flashing him is not friendly.

I think it's particularly non-agressive, it's just a friendly reminder, or at least that's how I see it. Unfortunately it seems lots of people see it as questioning their manhood. Sometimes we all get caught in theouter lane for a smidge longer than we need to and I'd rather have a friendly "im here" flash than someone sat on my arse at speed! Of course that's not the same as full-beaming someone for 10 seconds until they move out of the way etc.

You the flashing undertaker or the BMW driver not exceeding the speed limit not breaking the law. You I'm afraid. Chill out.

Flashing is perfectly legal and recommended to alert other drivers to your presence.

DD i sat behind him for at least 1/2 mile and it was clear he wasnt going to move over and that he wasnt catching the traffic.

I moved over to the middle land and just graduly sped upto 75-80 mph and then he started speeding up and then pulled in behind me and started flashing me ?? (at this point i had slowed to 70mph and all the traafic that was queued behind us was steaming past in the outside lane)

Renton. You were never going to get any (overt) sympathy.

I share your frustration however "flashing" is never interpreted as "friendly" unless you are letting somebody pull out.
You were very aggresive even though the other driver sounds like an idiot.

I flashed him once( cant see how that can be classed as aggresive?) and then sat there for the next half mile whilst traffic is building up behind us.

I agree with both Jam bo and with Renton. I would have flashed him as he was being a b'end but probably wouldn't have raced him. I would have however have waved Madam Palm and her five lovely daughtersat him. To be honest it sounds like a Jonboy who was out there to wind someone up and succeeded

Don't know what it is about beemer drivers that makes them drive like tw**s. Had issues with one on the roundabouts in Chuichesters the other week where the left lane of the dual carriageway was busy and I was cruising along at 70 passing the traffic on the inside lane. He flashed me which in that situation I just gave him the bird and carried on. First place where 3 lanes come along he tries to owertake me on the outside lane to cut in fronmt of me then beeps at me as I was in the right and wouldn't let him in. I then slowed to 60... off to buy me a beemer now

Why not leave the house 15 seconds earlier then you could drive safely without losing your temper and stop making it more dangerous on the road for other drivers?

You get total knobs speeding past you then you find after they have turned off at the same junction as you intended, come across traffic lights, roundabouts and que's you end up right behind them whilst you have been driving in a non rushed sensible chilled out manner. Don't get drawn into it. Calm Down Dear!

Then you pull into the middle lane, move to undertake, and then when he speeds off you let him.

get him to move over as the inside and middle lanes are empty for at least 1/2 mile.

and i get in front (well actually just stay in middle lane)

So he's in the wrong for hogging the 2nd overtaking lane, so you thought you'd hog the first? Something wrong with the inside lane?!

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Bit worried by the 'another' bit. Where's smee when you need him.

You did the right thing in giving him a flash, especially after the previous car undertook him. But I wouldn't have waited and followed him first - just flashed as I came behind, as its more effective if he looks up and sees a car approaching at speed.

When I had an Omega (with Xenons) EVERYBODY moved out of the way, especially when I was wearing a white shirt...

And you weren't 'undertaking', but passing on the left - which is legal in a number of circumstances, such as when the car on the right is in a queue - which must be why he was cruising below the speed limit with the left lane(s) empty, Officer.

Nothing to do with BMWs either really. Some are driven by knobs but then so are all other makes of car. I don't drive one btw! I rarely see aggressive bad driving, what I see from most bad drivers is poor lane disclipline and complete lack of awareness of what is going on around them. A large number of drivers might as well do away wiht their mirrors as they have no use for them.

And if you are in a chilled out going slowly mood because you left 15 mins earlier than you needed to then move aside for those that are in a hurry or just aren't as good at relaxing and time management as you.

Why people claim they are calm, relaxed and above the bad drivers but at the same time boast about deliberately obstructing those wishing to go faster or even more bizarre start shouting or showing rude gestures to them as they try to get past is beyond me. Just move aside and the problem is gone. I flashed a guy last night doing 50mph in the fast lane on an empty dual carriageway (in a Zafira not a BMW) and his reaction was to slam on his brakes and giving me the middle finger. Why didn't he just pull over....

Sorry, but im with Renton on this one.
What was he supposed to do? Just sit and wait? I'd have waited for a while and then done the same i suspect. Doesnt make it right, but there you go.

When stuck behind a lane hogger, lots of people would pass on the inside. The real issue here is that you got caught up in a race whilst doing it...as soon as he started to pull away, just let him, he'll either carry on faster, or have to slow down again which will just piss off the drivers still following in the outside lane.

Have to admit though, it does sound like he was pacing the traffic ahead but was just maintaining a big gap rather than catching it. If the cars ahead are disappearing into the distance then that's different, but I find leaving your right indicator on is a more effective way of reminding the car in front to move over...its not as aggressive as flashing the lights which normally causes the driver in front to get defensive. Light flashing only works for people who are day dreaming and need a quick dazzle to wake them up 🙂

I nearly got caught out a few weeks ago...dual carriageway between roundabouts, I'm in the left lane at 50mph (as I'm towing) gaining on a car dawdling in the outside lane. As I approach to cruise past on the inside, another car (BMW as it happens!) belts up behind the car and brakes hard, flashes, there are a few moments whilst the BMW tries to squeeze between us to get past, then as the car in front carries on, I start to pass. BMW then flashes car again, he wakes up and carves across in front of me. I had the service lane as a bail out but I was still behind so didn't need it...would never try and pass on the inside if there was no space to get out the way. There was also a right turn at the roundabout a 1/2 mile ahead so assume the car was in the correct lane, just a bit early.

Was this the variable speed limit section?

If it was, hope you both get a ban for both driving like strokers?

I also drive 20,000 miles per annum and i'm sick to death of sharing the
road with drivers like you two

Ian Munro ..... not sure what that has got to do with this ???

Each and every one of us is the only driver on the planet that knows how it should be done properly! 😉

well hung .

not a variable spped limit section.

traffic was at least 1/2 mile ahead of him and wasnt catching it, if anything they were pulling away slightly, hard to tell at the distance .

Im not an aggrsive driver, never have been .

I only wanted to get to work .

renton - I can see why you did this in the heat of the moment but why on earth did you post it on here?

"I undertook and did 100mph racing another car in morning traffic just to make a point to a bloke in a BMW whos driving I took exception to"

where did you expect the thread to go?

I suppose its a bit of entertainment for the masses eh!!

I wonder if he thought you were too close and was deliberately holding you up. 2 seconds always feels too close for me, I usually use 4.

Sorry renton your move isn't exactly in the highway code is it. By your own admission of the move you are somewhat aggresive. I've done the same and wotrse in the past, but I've found that listening to pod casts on the motorway (something interesting or something funny) chills me out - I drive +20K pa. I find that it's impossible to get irate with the drivers holding you up when you are laughing your socks off. You do get some funny looks on M25 in the morning though.

Oh, another one of these threads.

This seems to be phenomenon only in the UK.

on the continent although they drive up your arse and at stupid speeds, most drivers do not hog the middle and outer lanes

[url= http://www.howmotorwayswork.co.uk/fast_lane.htm ]How motorways work[/url]

ditto speeding up to 100mph not big nor clever.

Oh, I dunno.....

When I had my Speed Triple, I used to regualarly go to work on it. (Couple of time s a week, say) and my commute is 7 miles with 6 of that being dual carrigeway. Now, I was never in a rush and used to bimble along at no more than the limit. (Still do in fact) Somtimes when overtaking I'd get some pea brained to$$er come up waaaaaay to close behind, giving it large. Yawn.
I used to very carefully complete my overtake, staying at precisely the same speed, by the book, plenty of space for the car I'm passing, indicate, pull in.... And wait..... Trap baited.....

Mr To$$er gives it the beans.

I change down a gear (Not always necessary, but it sounds nice)

Mr To$$er draws level.

I look over

I nod, or wave.

I show Mr To$$er what proper beans are. Bye-bye Mr To$$er.

😀

I love playing with the traffic. Tis fun. 🙂

The best one ever was some chap in a Boxter S (The faster one) trying to overtake me on the inside on a roundabout, roof down, missus in the passenger seat, showing off..... We exit the roundabout level, I can hear he's in a low gear, but so am I 😈
He attempts to show how fast his car is. Ends up looking very, very puny.

And people wonder why we ride motorbikes?
God, I need another one. 🙁

When I get stuck behind somebody going slow in the outside lane, I prefer to move to the middle lane and wait for some other jerk to roar up behind, lights-a-flashing, and perform some entertaining life-threatening aggressive moves. When they're safely out of the way, I can carry on. It usually adds at least 10 seconds to my journey time.

PS - why do we call the 2 innermost lanes on the 6 lane highway the outside lane?

This seems to be phenomenon only in the UK.

A few years on the continent would have you saying otherwise, mark my words!

Then you pull into the middle lane, move to undertake, and then when he speeds off you let him.

Is the correct answer, IMO.

I love playing with the traffic. Tis fun

you like playing with the STW masses too by the looks of things 😉

Renton, I'm with you on this.

BigJohn - Member

When I get stuck behind somebody going slow in the outside lane, I prefer to move to the middle lane and wait for some other jerk to roar up behind, lights-a-flashing, and perform some entertaining life-threatening aggressive moves. When they're safely out of the way, I can carry on. It usually adds at least 10 seconds to my journey time.

Is the correct answer

TandemJeremy - Member

Is the correct answer

Is not, as someone performing aggressive moves NEXT TO or just in front of me is two levels of unpredictability above what I like.

There is very little unpredictability in that. Just keep your wits about you and hang back.

I think I'd have done the same thing in the circumstances, apart from get up to 100mph in a 'race' with him. I reckon I would have let him speed up & then taken it from there, but cannot say for definite - I might have decided to 'keep up' with him too.

I love all the do-gooding replies on this post, even from a non-driver or two I believe?

Sometimes it can be very frustrating to be driving sensibly to the conditions and have to slow down because someone doesn't want to drive in the correct lane/isn't aware they should be in the correct lane/is on the phone and is gradually slowing down/is on his iPhone posting smug do-gooding replies on the STW website etc. etc..
You wait for them to react........and wait........and wait.......then decide to go round them only to find they don't want you to do that either & start speeding up.

If the bloke wanted to drive at 60 in the outside lane, he should have just let Renton get on with it.

I had a similar thing yesterday with 2 women in the space of about 3 miles of each other who were sat at 60mph in the outside lane, nothing on the inside and refusing to move over. With the first one, I gave up sititng behind her and pulled over to the inside lane. Bloke who was behind me gets right up her chuff, eventually decides to undertake her and as he pulls alongside her, she indicates and starts moving over into the side of him....I just sat well back out of the way.
2nd one sits in outside lane from joining dual carriageway at a roundabout and doesn't move over - I joined from the same roundabout. It's about 2 miles of DC, ending in a roundabout and then another 1.5 miles or so of DC. I decided to wait behin her & overtake her after the next roundabout, but oh no....she's staying in the outside lane, over the roundabout continuing in the outside lane (at 60mph) and refusing to move over. Queue forming behind her and eventually a 406 Coupe hoons up the inside past her. She still doesn't take the hint and remains in the outside lane.

It makes my widdle boil!!

Renton, if you are so important you need to get to work on time why not leave a little earlier instead?

There is very little unpredictability in that. Just keep your wits about you and hang back.

There's very little unpredictable in letting someone drive up behind a slow driver, flash repeatedly and scare the (obviously timid/distracted/unskilled) driver into rash decisions and/or racing off? OK. Far more dangerous to flash once, get no response then pull left and pass carefully yourself knowing only one additional party in the equation may cause problems.

Of course you could "hang back" and let the mahem take place ahead, but that makes you as much of a roadblock as the idiot in the outide lane. Lost count of the times I've been on a motorway with a rolling roadblock because no-one wants to undertake an old gran at 55 in the outside lane.

Sure, we could say "chill, hang back" and in general I am pretty chilled in the car, but apathy to poor lane use and causing blockage to free moving traffic is just as bad. There's very little added danger to a carefully placed, vigilant undertake.

Renton, if you are so important you need to get to work on time why not leave a little earlier instead?

Just how far do you take that exactly? I mean when I set off for work this morning the traffic was unusually heavy, there was a blockage somewhere. Normally I'm 30 miuntes early, this time I was bang on time. But what if there had been another holdup. Should I leave an hour early? I actually would turn up late generally, but it's not always possible depending on your job.

Why not leave the house 15 seconds earlier then you could drive safely without losing your temper and stop making it more dangerous on the road for other drivers?

last time I did that my mrs' cat got knocked over

Sure, we could say "chill, hang back" and in general I am pretty chilled in the car, but apathy to poor lane use and causing blockage to free moving traffic is just as bad. There's very little added danger to a carefully placed, vigilant undertake.

Well said!!

As for all the comments about Renton leaving the house earlier. Why should he have to leave for work earlier to compensate for the actions of another who should be driving correctly?

Why do people get so excited when driving around in their bike transportation boxes?

Why do people get so excited when driving around in their bike transportation boxes?

Because people dislike inconsiderate people who screw up the road system, regardless of their choice of transport? 😆

Inconsiderate twonks like renton and the other undertakers on this thread, You don't get there any faster you know.

if people are being muppets then get out of their way and leave them to it - legally not by untertaking or speeding.

I cannot believe the appalling suggestions given on this thread. Undertaking is never acceptable. You really are bunch of muppets

you like playing with the STW masses too by the looks of things

Hell yeah!!!!

The funny thing is, when you're in possession of some real speed, you don't always feel the need to use it, but when you do: Ahhhhhh, bliss....
🙂

Just in case clarifcation is needed:

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Hang on, do we [i]know[/i] them to be poor drivers ❓

I dont consider myself an aggresive driver, im quite aware of what is happening around me too.

As other have said why should i leave earlier just incase some numpty in a (insert rep mobile here) decides that because they (insert witty comment about not getting laid etc!!) they are going to sit in the outside lane of a mway and disrupt the flow of traffic.

i had only hit 100mph for about a second and then though better of it and slowed back down to 70mph as we had caught the traffic and i couldnt be arsed getting into a race with the numpty so he then has to slow right down again in the outside land just so he could pull in behind me and proceed to flash me every other second for the next mile or so???

oh and i was very chilled out this morning , listneing to the new alicia keys album!!

EDIT. TJ i didnt technically undertake as i stayed in the middle lane not pulling back into outside lane.

thanks

You don't get there any faster you know.

You do. Not always, but a lot of the time you do.

Undertaking as a general rule isn't the best plan, but in circumstances such as the OP it is warranted. Extend it a little to this situation:

Undertaking, as an individual move, is not illegal at all. The highway code suggests you should not do it as an individual move, i.e. we should not always assume that we can pass on either side, but that if the lane to the right is congested you can pass in your lane without problem. The outside lane is congested in this case, just by one person being an idiot.

TJ - you belong in Canada, the land where they'll sit and wait 30 miutes at a broken traffic light because it's red, rather than assuming it might be broken and nosing forwards using common sense!

I'm with Renton on this, probably would have done pretty much the exact same thing.

On the motorbike, I generally don't bother trying to persuade cars to move out of the way, and just treat them as mobile chicanes 😀

Cheers, Rich

Wow, when I read your first post Renton, I thought you were trolling.

Fair play to you.

The other driver does sound like a wind up merchant though, loads of the about on the road.

Well thats several more muppets outed themselves.

You lot show why UK driving is so bad. You think yourself great drivers while being aggressive and breaking the law.

I cannot believe how pro "cocks in cars" you lot are for a cycling site - its 'cos you are all frustrated home counties IT / middle management types isn't it. Wannabe clarksons the lot of you.

Leave 5 minutes earlier and chill out. You will arrive much less stressed and much more safely

This thread shows STW muppetry at its finest.

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TJ, you really can't be serious, you're almost a caricature of yourself here. UK driving is so bad because there's a general lack of rule-following, forcing others to be frustrated and inconvenienced by the idiots who hog lanes and drive along like its sunday 4am, meaning that those who would otherwise drive along quite happily and sedately are forced to either take even longer to get somewhere that is reasonable, or just expected to sit like morons behind those who know nothing about road use.

So assuming we're not allowed to undertake the person in the ouside lane doing 60 (or 50 etc) and not moving, what do you propose we do. Bring the nations transport network down to 50 just for them, or maybe just wait until it's sufficiently congested behind them that people can't see it's one guy in the outside lane and start to undertake "legally"?

This isnt 'BMW Drivers'...

Maybe it's different for some people, but I have noticed that my scrotum doesn't detach if I have to wait for another driver to wake up/move over. 💡

And sitting here, I don't regret those lost seconds.

Does it help to add that I drive a BMW and ride a BMW 😆

TJ in high horse non shocker 🙄 😀

Cheers, Rich

Coffeeking - [i]really[/i]? A caricature you say? Over exaggeration for comic effect? [i] Me[/i]

Maybe it's different for some people, but I have noticed that my scrotum doesn't detach if I have to wait for another driver to wake up/move over.

Good for you that you have so few things to fit into a day that a few minutes are not important to you. What would you do if they didn't move over, as is often the case?

Coffeeking - really? A caricature you say? Over exaggeration for comic effect? Me

Are you trolling in tandem with renton. A team effort really isn't fair you know!

No conspiacy and I do believe what I say. However I may just have over egged the pudding a little bit.

I do find it hard to understand why a cycling forum has so many cock drivers on it tho. And you really don't save any significant time by driving like a cock.

TJ, yes you are showing yourself to be a bit of a muppet, aren't you?!

Is undertaking actually illegal? I'm sure I discussed this a month or two ago with my other half who is a Police Officer. I think I had done a similar thing to Renton above & was asking her about it with regards to where I stood within the law.
She basically said that it would depend how you'd been driving prior to undertaking someone, how much time you gave the person to move over before undertkaing, whether your driving appeared aggressive or not etc. etc. You probably wouldn't be stopped unless you were already seen to be driving like an idiot, hadn't given the car time to get out of the way, were driving aggressively etc.

Oh and yes, more times than not you will get there faster. At the end (or indeed the start) of a long commute, why should I be happy & willing to be delayed by someone else who is not driving correctly. If I have an empty lane next to me and it's safe, I will use it.

if people are being muppets then get out of their way and leave them to it - legally not by untertaking or speeding.

And how do you get out of their way, while not undertaking. Your only other option is to slow down & sit behind them. Picture the scenario - 3am in the morning, the roads are dead. You catch up to a car in the outside lane of a dual carriageway doing 40mph......would you undertake?

Undertaking is never acceptable.

Erm.....I'd have thought making incorrect sweeping statements is unacceptable. There are in fact MANY occasions where undertaking is perfectly acceptable.

Mister P - Member
Renton, if you are so important you need to get to work on time why not leave a little earlier instead?

Talk about completely missing the point. We are discussing peoples lack of lane disaplin, and how those who obviously have none get somewhat upset at the use of a perfectly reasonable signal to let them know of your presance as detailed in the highway code signals section part 110.

Just ignore him, overtake when safe and drive normally FFS.

BMW owners? nah just majority of car drivers are late etc and funny they walk normally but can't drive with manners.