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[url] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10679227/Saturated-fat-is-not-bad-for-health-says-heart-expert.html [/url]
[i]British health experts and nutritionists backed his comments claiming that for too long ‘uncomfortable facts’ have been stifled by [b]‘dietry dogma.[/b] ’ [/i]
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I thought that was old news?
[i]I thought that was old news? [/i]
Well, its dated today 😉
Thank you.
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Anyone else?
Nom nom.
And in other diet news, a high protein diet is as bad as smoking 20 a day:
if you read the (sat fat) article the majority of evidence and scientists dont support that view
but the telegraphs science articles are notoriously shoddy
Im surprised that we didnt have a thread about the iDave/ Paleo diets massively increasing your cancer risk though
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25158-i-can-has-cheezburger-protein-cancer-risk-overblown.html#.Uxg_2Pl_t8E
[i]And in other diet news, a high protein diet is as bad as smoking 20 a day:[/i]
Yeap, did you notice a lack of fat ?
The article seems to dicsuss protein intake, in the context of a low fat diet.
Its the lack of fat in the diet that has been linked to an increased risk of stoke and cancer, not the inclusion of protein.
Innuit traditionally survived on meat AND fat and had very low incidence of cancer, stroke, diabetes, obesity.
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[i]if you read the (sat fat) article the majority of evidence and scientists dont support that view[/i]
I think that if you read the article, you may note that the medical establishment has been stuck in a dietary dogma born in the 1950s and in the more recent past, anyone who spoke out against that dogma, was ingnored.
Its some kind of process of natural selection. The smart people will observe the science and enjoy better health, the rest will continue to believe in flawed scientific dogma and, well, take statins.
What's the average lifespan of a traditional Inuit, Solo?
[i]What's the average lifespan of a traditional Inuit, Solo? [/i]
What was the incidence of cancer and stroke in the Massai at the turn of the 20th century ?
There are health reasons over and above cardiac issues why some folk should consider keeping an eye on their sat fat intake.
[b]Solo[/b]
I think I [i]preferred[/i] it
when you wrote your posts
about [b]fad diets[/b] in the old TSY days
when they read like some sort of [i]poem[/i]
And included mental stuff about milk.
solo do you eat whale meat 3 times a day? you are gonna live forever man!
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What was the incidence of cancer and stroke in the Massai at the turn of the 20th century ?
Excellent.
Lower your risk of stroke or cancer by simply dying of something else first 😆
Bacon sandwich on toast is just wrong.
Im surprised that we didnt have a thread about the iDave/ Paleo diets massively increasing your cancer risk though
That study came up on the "lose 14lb in 14 weeks" thread.
[i]Bacon sandwich on toast is just wrong. [/i]
Yeap, thats a bacon sandwich fail. No eggs.
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Im surprised that we didnt have a thread about the iDave/ Paleo diets massively increasing your cancer risk though
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25158-i-can-has-cheezburger-protein-cancer-risk-overblown.html#.Uxg_2Pl_t8E
From the New Scientist link the evidence is from a survey of peoples diet from animal protein and not suprisingly quite a few researchers disagree with the findings.
"Collins isn't convinced. "We don't need to do anything different, and nor should we be worried [on the strength of this study]," she says."
This is of interest to me, having been told that I need to switch to a low-carb, high-fat diet, for medical reasons.
this is confusing, can anyone summarize before lunchtime?
I fear my next meal is critical to my survival and I've a report to get out this afternoon.
This was a pretty good take down of the "protein as bad as smoking" research: http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2014/03/animal-protein-as-bad-as-smoking/
this is confusing, can anyone summarize before lunchtime?
Everything in moderation (including moderation)!
It's interesting that the protein stuff mirrors the findings of the china study - which has had mixed reviews at best.
it bears further research but I wouldnt worry too much, certainly the association between too much red meat and (bowel) cancer incidence is well known
everything in moderation and is the take home message, again
Hang on a minute? Does this mean I have to nip to Greggs? Or start smoking again? Or both? Or neither?
Why is everything so complicated? 😥
The only safe thing left is smoking Greggs sausage rolls.
Why is everything so complicated?
Simplify matters and cover both bases simply by smoking sausage rolls.
edit: beaten to it.
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someone put a comment on the times website, in response to the protein story.
He basically said (and I'm paraphrasing)
I don't eat meat, I don't drink Milk, I don't smoke, I drink very rarely. I eat whole foods, mainly organic.
I got cancer.
eat what you want within reason, don't get hung up on it. there will always be a demon food in the news, it means nothing.
sums it up nicely i think...
what about eating cigars? they're organic aren't they?
The only safe thing left is smoking Greggs sausage rolls.
Binners will be overjoyed. He loves smoking sausages.
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"Love To Share" - I think that's a bit optimistic 😀
Now the WHO is 'recommending' that the intake of sugar is cut by a half, and the Chief Medical Officer mooting a sugar tax. For as long as there is a professional 'health' lobby we'll continue to suffer a constant drizzle of this less than subtle nagging.
Now the WHO is 'recommending' that the intake of sugar is cut by a half
Won't get fooled again.
I see that so far no-one's mentioned the evil monster that is sucrose.
I see that so far no-one's mentioned the evil monster that is sucrose.
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I see that so far no-one's mentioned the evil monster that is [s]sucrose[/s] [b]fructose[/b].
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Now the WHO is 'recommending' that the intake of sugar is cut by a half, and the Chief Medical Officer mooting a sugar tax. For as long as there is a professional 'health' lobby we'll continue to suffer a constant drizzle of this less than subtle nagging.
youre right theyll be going after smoking next!
There's no way I'm reducing my sugar intake. Bloody loves it I do.... 😀
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Given the present world population statistics, and the enormous looming pensions problems, wouldn't it be better, having re-evaluated the whole issue, for the government to to tell the WHO to kindly shut up with their nannyish nagging, and instead be gleefully distributing free pies, cakes, beer and fags to anyone over the age of 40?
I demand sausage rolls on prescription!!!
I demand sausage rolls on prescription!!!
"Medicate with a steak bake"?
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[i]I demand sausage rolls on prescription!!! [/i]
I agree that your currrent presciption probably needs reviewing.
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This was a pretty good take down of the "protein as bad as smoking" research:
Very interesting:
The study claims to have adjusted for protein in general vs. animal protein to conclude that animal protein is the harmful factor and not protein per se. Call me suspicious, but I always check for conflicts of interest and the lead researcher, Dr Longo, has declared interests in (actually, he’s the founder of) L-Nutra – a company that makes ProLon™ – an entirely plant based meal replacement product.
Make most of your food intake relate closely to its natural state by eating as little heavily processed, additive rich stuff as you can. That's the debate in a nutshell.
Sugar, processed fats, processed protein and highly reactive artificially created chemicals are generally 'bad', so eat as little as practical. Use up the rest by riding your bike/skis/board. If you exercise a lot, you can afford to take a higher proportion of your calorific needs in the form of simpler fats with less risk.
None of this advice is new.
Natural selection has groomed the Innuit and Masai to live well on their respective diets and there will probably be some subtle genetic grooming in each direction. Some Indian tribal groups live very long lives on low protein diets by our standards, eating little or no animal protein or dairy. And that's despite having limited modern healthcare.
The rest of us are a bit more 'omnivore' than these groups. As we tend to mainly breed in our 20s and 30s, there has been little evolutionary pressure on us humans to develop systems that cope with 50+ years of restricted and artificial diets.
Do you know what's the healthiest thing of all? Be happy!
Im still shocked...at the bacon butty...red ssauce..surely should be hp sauce
What sauce for a XYZ butty? Is certainly a difficult question.
It really needs a Venn diagram or something.
My personal rules are:
Bacon butty = ketchup
Bacon and egg butty = HP sauce
Sausage butty = ketchup or HP sauce depending on mood
Sausage and egg butty = HP sauce
Full on BSE = HP sauce
There is a definite weighting towards HP sauce.
Inclusion of egg requires HP sauce. Sausage trends towards HP sauce, but I would not be angry if presented with a sausage butty with ketchup.
Not that I have any of the above often. Usually a once a month treat, which is why it's important to choose carefully.
I tried ketchup on a BSE a while back and came away from it feeling a bit cheated.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you're wrong. A bacon sandwich is a thing of beauty in and of itself, and by adding sauce of any kind you're bringing corruption to paradise. Sausage is another matter - tomato sauce for me. If you're going to go big, bacon and egg with beans is my vote winner.
When will people actually realise that a calorie neutral balanced diet is all you need to worry about. Eat some fat, eat some sugar, use salt, just not too much. Want to build muscle - have a bit more protein. Do a lot of exercise, have a few more complex carbs.
Eat meat, fish, veg, fruit, legumes, pulses, not too much processed food but have some junk occasionally and you will be fine.
Hey pondo, that's a valid viewpoint. I did go 'commando' bacon butty twice. The quality of bacon and the choice of bread made a massive difference. I did appreciate the purity of the butty in this form, but the sauce adds an extra dimension.
Hey pondo, that's a valid viewpoint. I did go 'commando' bacon butty twice. The quality of bacon and the choice of bread made a massive difference. I did appreciate the purity of the butty in this form, but the sauce adds an extra dimension.
Totally respect your point of view (and I take your point on the importance of the quality of the constituent ingredients) , but for me, putting any kind of sauce on a bacon sandwich is like making sweet love to a beautiful whilst forcing her to wear the facemask of another beautiful woman. Or, to quote the Little Dragon, it's like a finger pointing away to the moon - don't look at the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory (where sauce = moon and bacon = heavenly glory).
I live abroad.
They only sell bacon here in specialist "ex-pat" shops.
I would happily accept a bacon butty on defrosted white bread with marge and own-brand brown sauce right now. You don't know how lucky you all are to have a choice.
I hate you all... 🙂
There aren't many people on this forum I'd trust, but pondo is definitely up there.
beanum - MemberI live abroad.
What hell hole is it that denies you bacon?
The solution to your problems is homemade ketchup.
Cut up some tomatoes, throw into the frying pan once bacon is done, add chilli salt and basil. Cook untill mushy, mush properly add balsamic, reduce slightly. Add brown sugar to taste.
Bacon acompliment of the gods.
The solution to your problems is homemade ketchup.
Cut up some tomatoes, throw into the frying pan once bacon is done, add chilli salt and basil. Cook untill mushy, mush properly add balsamic, reduce slightly. Add brown sugar to taste.
Bacon acompliment of the gods.
Bacon butty = ketchup
Bacon and egg butty = HP sauce
Sausage butty = ketchup or HP sauce depending on mood
Sausage and egg butty = HP sauce
Full on BSE = HP sauce
No mustard in that list.
And it's missing black pudding. I admit, technically BP is a sausage variant - nut a significant enough minority to warrant separate entry, I'd say.
beanum - I feel your pain. I live in Detroit and finding proper bacon and not the streaky, thin American rubbish is a challenge.
You wouldn't think it, but I do, however, have excellent access to HP sauce, Heinz Baked Beans and PG Tips.