[Closed] family / bike van for £15k (I know it's been done to death...)

reggiegasket - Member

So we all know the Transporter is the daddy..............and a car-like experience

You're going to be massively disappointed if you get a Transporter then - high, bouncy, rolly polly, basically a van. We've just gone from a Vito to a Transporter, both myself and the Mrs are much bigger fans of the way the Vito drives (and she's the one that puts in the serious mileage).

To hand it to it, the MPG is bloody impressive thought! 140bhp version, for example yesterday it returned 42mpg on a run along motorways and twisty A-roads. 135bhp Vito probably would've been around 37mpg on the same trip.

Let's say, "drives well for a van" then.

I'm tempted by the Transit Custom - anyone got one? I could even spend a bit more and go new on that.

If only a bike magazine had done a group test on such vehicles....

http://singletrackmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/grinder-special-dieselheads/

Ta.

£15k will get you a newer Transit than a T5 though...

Buy a T5 panel van for £c12k dep on mileage. Go to somewhere like Exploria to put in side windows, a back bench seat, seatbelts, tint windows. Then spend money on lowering/alloys if that's important to you. That's your £15k

We bought ours for 12k bought plus £2k of makingitsafeforafamily/seatbelts/seats etc. 8 years later we could still sell it for 9k

We'll do it again when this one gives in but its broken down once in 8 years.

I would
-look for one with decent spec electric pack/aircon
-rubber floor for sweeping out stuff
-lower it- it drives nicer and looks better
-17 or 18" alloys (as above). We have 16"
-check and see if the service history says water pump has gone. Known fault.
-we have a 174bhp and it makes it drive like a car but it makes little difference because we rarely speed anywhere. 130/40 bhp nice but 115 is fine.
-have a bench in the front and back. For family life its nice being able to seat 6.
-SWB not LWB.
-the above gives you an industrial finish. I don't care but don't expect upholstery for that price.

A friend has one of these
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/used-cars/hyundai/i800/used-hyundai-i800-2-5-crdi-style-5dr-grimsby-fpa-201505013106689?logcode=p
Hyundai i800. Used it came with a huuuge warranty, great mpg, loads of space and is very, very comfy.

cheers hb70

I'd not get a van unless it had a tailgate rather than doors, if for nothing else than to be able to shelter under from the rain.

Hb70 sorry to ask. You say check if the service history says the water pump has gone as its a know fault. Is it better if it has gone and been repaired...?

Hi Reggie. Not a mechanic so this is all by experience and check out some proper van threads. The Brickyard is excellent. I think if its gone and been fixed then newer waterpumps are ok. Look out for watery residue when you unscrew the oil cap on the engine as a hint that its leaking.

http://www.brick-yard.co.uk/forum/how-to-replace-water-pump-updated_topic25489.html

The tailgate/ not doors is another good shout. We have doors and I'd prefer a tailgate.

water pump is a weakness

you want to make sure it has been replaced - on some vehicles if they break they can wreck the timing belt and plough the pistons into the valves = £££££££

better to ensure it has been done, or budget replacing it ASAP

-have a bench in the front and back. For family life its nice being able to seat 6.

We have two singles up front, and I like the ability to easily step through, especially handy with young kids.

Also twin sliding doors is a big bonus with young kids too. You can always exit them on the safe side. And with the O/S door being right by the drivers door it does get used more than the N/S.

A Tailgate was higher on my wants list than twin sliders. But having lived with both I'd now put the twin sliders above the tailgate.

All just personal preference of course, like my preference for a LWB 🙂

you want to make sure it has been replaced - on some vehicles if they break they can wreck the timing belt and plough the pistons into the valves = £££££££

The issue with the 2.5 T5's is the water pump is in the block and the weekness is the seal keeping the water and oil seperate. So failure is similar symptoms to a HG failure. Still £££££ though 🙁

Lowering makes a huge difference to T5 handling, as long as it's done properly. 30mm H&R springs on my factory Kombi with twin sliding doors. Also had Pendle remap the 102 1.9 to 140 ish - really is great to drive.

Keep toying with selling it as I don't use it that often, but I know I'd regret it.

Is fitting twin-sliding doors done as part of the conversion?

Tranny custom seems too new to get under £15k... and less around than a T5.

No. You only get one sliding door as standard. I've never seen it as an issue. Lowering yes, tailgate yes, but one side door has never bothered me. We use ours as the only family car so SWB is easier to park.

If I was spending 15k I'd get a Transporter and as new as possible. Look upto 100m radius.

okay it looks like we're erring towards a T5...

would you buy a van and convert, or get a kombi that's ready to drive?

What are the advantages of the conversion route?

what engine/version is the one to go for (either van or kombi)

Have a look on Ebay. Your factory Kombi's are loads. The pre made conversions you pay a big premium for- lots of high mileage ones on Ebay which seem really pricey to me.

If you do it yourself, go to one of these converter places who will fit seats, windows and seatbelts. Work out what you want to do re wheels lowering, how much it will cost, then work backwards to see what you can afford for a van.

These people did mine. Nice people and will give you an idea of cost

http://www.exploria-online.co.uk/day-vans.aspx

The other option if you can find one is to look for a good quality T4. All the same applies really except you will have enough money left for a decent respray, lining the back with play & carpet etc.

Also bear in mind how busy the converters are. Exploria is booked up until October for full camper conversions but should be quicker for Kombi conversion.
They do very high quality work if you can afford it

Transit Custom

Don't know about the custom but my transit is rapidly turning into a rust bucket.

Twin sliding doors - look at ex BT Transits and Vivaros. Almost all of them are spec'd with twin sliders.

How do the following things apply to vans-converted-to-Kombis, compared with factory kombis
1 - MOT
2 - Vehicle Excise Duty
3 - Insurance
4 - Speed limits

Kombi is just a van with some extra seats, all of the above stays as per a normal van

Ps. I'm not a big fan of the T5 scene but if I'm dropping 15k I wouldn't want a Transit. Even I acknowledge that you retain a fair wedge of your money in a depreciating van if you buy a T5. Thats king.

Kombi is just a van with some extra seats, all of the above stays as per a normal van

Unless it is a factory Kombi that is classed as an M1 passenger vehicle on the V5. Some years of T5 are like this, but think the newer T5.1 kombis are all N1 commercials.

If it's M1 then it's basically a 'car' for MOT/VED/Speed etc

I thought the Factory Kombi was actually more reinforced, so it's actually safer for passengers. Normal van not unsafe, just Factory version safer

Thought similar for other factors above, but don't know for sure, hence the question

Unless it is a factory Kombi that is classed as an M1 passenger vehicle on the V5. Some years of T5 are like this, but think the newer T5.1 kombis are all N1 commercials.

If it's M1 then it's basically a 'car' for MOT/VED/Speed etc

Ah yes, here we are in vague van rule world again. I've got a mate with an older one, taxed as a car but still has van limits as far as he's concerned. Our newer one (2014) is definitely taxed as a van, don't think we'll ever need to MOT it so not paid any attention to that.

benp1, the reason the limits are lower is due to the ropey way that vans tend to be loaded, rather than the structure of the vehicle itself.

[quote=mark90 ]Kombi is just a van with some extra seats, all of the above stays as per a normal van
Unless it is a factory Kombi that is classed as an M1 passenger vehicle on the V5. Some years of T5 are like this, but think the newer T5.1 kombis are all N1 commercials.
If it's M1 then it's basically a 'car' for MOT/VED/Speed etc

M1 gets car speed limits. N1 gets van speed limits (50 in NSL is the only significant difference)

M1 pays car tax rates which are based on emmisions rates so can be expensive, N1 pays flat rate commercial which is ~£250

N1 is on van insurance which can be tricky, NFU seemed the best bet for me.

Presumably the only way to check each one is to look at the V5?

A conversion will also therefore be an N1?

My 2p...

Look for a tidy T5 facelift model with aircon and electric window as a base.Look to spend about £11-12k inc Vat. Engine (hp) is less of an issue as the only difference between the lower powered models and the 140bhp ones is the 6 speed gearbox. A decent pendle remap will get you a reliable 140ish Bhp for sensible money.

Then look at getting some caravelle rails and caravelle folding rear seat fitted. This won't be cheap but it give brilliant flexibility and a bed if you ever need one. The fitting of the rails is probably best left to a specialist as you need to drop the fuel tank.
You can ply line and carpet and insulate it to a nice standard for very little money and it's easy DIY (I've just done this with a mate)
Side windows aren't overly expensive and can be fitted by any competent window fitter.
Spending wisely and getting stuck in you could just about scrape inside your £15k budget

Lowering is next on my list

Have a look round the T5 forum for any number of specialists, or let me know and I'll pass on any info I've picked up in my year of T5 ownership.

A few before and after pictures of mine
[url= http://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/album.php?albumid=20272&pictureid=171224 ]My Van[/url]

N1 is on van insurance which can be tricky, NFU seemed the best bet for me.

N1 is on van insurance which can be tricky, NFU seemed the best bet for me.

Having used specilist insurers rather than the more main stream ones for my "not a straight forward car" vehicles (modified Land Rovers, self built camper van etc) I did initially with my T5 kombi. This time ended up with Direct Line (who I had used previouly for cars). They were almost half the price of the specialist. They didn't care if it was N1 or M1, just the number of seats. No problem with NCB transfer.

N1 is on van insurance which can be tricky, NFU seemed the best bet for me.

i spoke to a few companies about commercial vehicle for personal use and as soon as I said 6 seats they mostly went 'Wha????'

NFU were really good, really clear, gave me 7 yrs no claims as I couldnt transfer the 12yrs no-claims discount from my car policy.

Presumably the only way to check each one is to look at the V5?

A conversion will also therefore be an N1?

Yes to both. The classification can not be changed.

Brentacre for Insurance, on my second year with them now, they beat all quotes at renewal time and thoroughly understand the business of converted vans

M1 gets car speed limits. N1 gets van speed limits (50 in NSL is the only significant difference)

and 60 on dual carriageways (as my missus can prove)

Worth a look here, especially as it doesn't mention M/N1 but does go onto discuss "dual-use vehicles" and even then you have to be careful https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

it doesn't mention M/N1

Because most people wouldn't then undertand it. Ask my missus if she drives and M1/N1 vehicle and you'll get a blank look.

Basically M1 is a car.

Category M1: Vehicles designed and constructed for the carriage of passengers and comprising no more than eight seats in addition to the driver's seat.

Category N1: Vehicles designed and constructed for the carriage of goods and having a maximum mass not exceeding 3,5 tonnes.

The T5 shuttles are also M1/Car/people carriers, describe them how you want. If they had more seats they would be M2, which is a minibus.

Category M2: Vehicles designed and constructed for the carriage of passengers, comprising more than eight seats in addition to the driver's seat, and having a maximum mass not exceeding 5 tonnes.

what are 'sportline', 'trendline', 'highline' etc.?

how un-vanlike they try to make it.

or $$, $$$, $$$$

Sportline? Trying to appease the petrol head who woke up and found he owned a van...

we've just gone through the whole process with your sort of budget.

I was leaning to the Transit Custom and getting it converted with seats, but with a half decent mileage and then adding on VAT and seats, it was looking more like £20k.

We ended up buying a T5, an ex mobility one, so it didn't have VAT added. It's SWB, three seat in front and a 2 and 1 in the back. We got ours with not that high mileage for a bit more than your budget.

Driving wise, the T5 seemed better to me than the Transit Custom - the T5 was just less van like seated. Depreciation protection made it an easier decision in case we don't like having a van. Depreciation on the Transit Custom is a bit of an unknown/risk.

We're getting used to it and working out what to do with the space - likely just leave 2 seats in the back most of the time, so room for bikes and kids and camping stuff.

The only real issue for me so far is multi storey car parks!

Wouldn't change our T5 for the world. Its fantastic.

As for insurance - Brentacre. Always insured my modified and non-modified cars through them and I cannot fault them at all.

thanks all.

Just one last question (?) ... I'm currently looking on autotrader/ebay - any other places to check?

Only place I found additional vehicles was by looking at vans on ebay and then following the dealer link to their webpage, sometimes they have stock they are not actively advertising. Also just looking at their 'other items' on ebay brings up vehicles the search seems to miss.

reggiegasket - Member
thanks all.
Just one last question (?) ... I'm currently looking on autotrader/ebay - any other places to check?
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Got mine from gumtree, but it was only half a mile down the road.

A mate just bought his from a company called Anchor vans, it wasn't without a few issues but its a nice van and there was no vat on it.
T5 forum classifieds and pistonheads I guess would be good places to look

I am toying with the idea of getting a van next year.

I travel across the Severn Bridge regularly and have a Tag. If I get a van that has been converted (windows/extra seats etc) will the ANPR still think it is a van? I know people who go through the manned tolls get charged as a car because the van has the extra windows in.

Eskay - I have a converted panel van with side windows and rear seat.. Went through the manned booth on the Severn for the dyfi and got charged car rate 🙂

will the ANPR still think it is a van?

mikewsmith - Member

ANPR reads the number plate not the windows,

I guess I should have been more explicit. When extra seats are put in are they reclassified as combi type vans? I guess you have to register the modification somewhere to get the seats past a safety inspection?

you will have to get it reclassified.

[quote=eskay ] When extra seats are put in are they reclassified as combi type vans? I guess you have to register the modification somewhere to get the seats past a safety inspection?Additional seats make no difference - its still a van (actually a LGV). You should have the registration document modified to reflect the number of seats but it needs no inspection etc. in order to do so - just submit the changes to the DVLA.

I sent photos and details of my seats to dvla to reflect seat number...

V5 still says lgv but 'window van' instead of 'panel van' and seats up to 7.

This makes no difference to the speed limits I can drive at or the vehicle taxation class.

If you want car speed limits then the only way is for it to be re-classified as a 'motor caravan' for which you need a 1800mm bed, two burner hob, sink, water storage and waste and 2 cupboards (I think that's all of it, sure someone will tell me different if I am).

I think thats pretty much it. I'm waiting for mine to come back from the DVLA with its new classification at the minute... Even sat at 70 I'll still be getting passed by Transits and Sprinters doing 90+.

Buy a shuttle or caravelle and you can sit at car speeds 🙂

They also have the bonus of coming with tailgates rather than split doors..