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Olympus is probably rising

Yeah but Toto stated it as a fact.


 
Posted : 30/03/2023 7:39 pm
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I’m not sure Kelis’ milkshake brings all the boys to the yard?

I'd say 99.9999% of boys would go further than the yard for a milkshake (perhaps not necessarily one from Kelis)


 
Posted : 30/03/2023 8:05 pm
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she’s got it like a turbo ‘vette

whilst Sir Mixalot is clearly aware that plenty of Chevrolet Corvettes had forced induction, I’m pretty sure they were all supercharged, rather than turbocharged.


 
Posted : 07/04/2023 10:59 am
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Callaway used to do turbo conversions for Corvettes.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15114945/callaway-twin-turbo-chevrolet-corvette-archived-road-test/

There was a turbo Chevy Corvair, which was totally unrelated to the Corvette, but probably easy to confuse.

Also, the auto transmission in the GM V8s was called Turbo-Hydramatic, usually called Turbo 400 in normal conversation.


 
Posted : 07/04/2023 11:06 am
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‘Sir’ Mixalot was very vocal that he didn’t like non OEM versions of things, so unlikely he would approve of aftermarket modification.


 
Posted : 07/04/2023 11:11 am
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Wimbawey as much as you like but it’s highly unlikely that you will find a lion sleeping in a jungle.  It’s just not their habitat.


 
Posted : 07/04/2023 12:03 pm
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Everybody was kung fu fighting
Some might have been practicing tai chi instead


 
Posted : 07/04/2023 1:15 pm
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Everybody was kung fu fighting
Some might have been practicing tai chi instead

I've always believed that any pragmatic person would just go MMA instead of being a purist.


 
Posted : 07/04/2023 2:08 pm
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An Eskimo showed me a movie
He'd recently taken of you
The poor man could hardly stop shivering
His lips and his fingers were blue
I suppose that he froze when the wind took your clothes
And I guess he just never got warm
But you stand there so nice, in your blizzard of ice
Oh please let me come into the storm

They're called Inuit, you insensitive bastard.


 
Posted : 07/04/2023 2:35 pm
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And Jesus was a sailor
When he walked upon the water
And he spent a long time watching
From his lonely wooden tower

1. Walking on water is not part of any maritime certification.
2. Jesus wasn't on his lonely wooden tower for a very long time objectively. His subjective feeling may have stretched it to feel like a lifetime.


 
Posted : 07/04/2023 2:47 pm
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Wouldn't you burn your fingers if you caught a falling star?


 
Posted : 08/04/2023 11:50 am
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No, because the Dire Straits song is not part of the Sultans of Swing repertoire, quite clearly.

... narrowly missing the most glaring error in that song.

Knopfler sang "we are Sultans of Swing." No they weren't, they were Dire Straits.


 
Posted : 08/04/2023 12:46 pm
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I smoke two joints in the morning
I smoke two joints at night
I smoke two joints in the afternoon
It makes me feel all right
I smoke two joints in time of peace
And two in time of war
I smoke two joints before I smoke two joints
And then I smoke two more

Maths challenge!
How many joints per day does the singer of sublime smoke?

I don't know how many joints per day that adds up to, but it's several orders of magnitude too many, to be able to play/sing that song with any kind of coherence.


 
Posted : 08/04/2023 6:09 pm
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# Pedant mode

There may be a number of errors in Mark Knopflers writing but Sultans is not one of them. A careful check of the lyrics will show that it is the leader of the band that steps up to the mic and sings "we are the sultans of swing". Not wanting to burst your bubble or contradict the wry humour and all that 😉

# end pedant mode


 
Posted : 08/04/2023 6:41 pm
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I have have just checked the dictionary definition of ‘rises’, it means an upward motion.

Neither Kilimanjaro nor Mount Olympus are moving upwards.

But did Toto take into account global warming and rising sea levels? It could in fact be argued they are sinking depending on point of reference, were they measuring from sea level, or from the center of the earth?


 
Posted : 08/04/2023 6:41 pm
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A careful check of the lyrics will show that it is the leader of the band that steps up to the mic and sings “we are the sultans of swing”.

Ooh, nice catch. But that's only later on in the song.

And Harry doesn't mind, if he doesn't, make the scene
He's got a daytime job, he's doing alright
He can play the Honky Tonk like anything
Savin' it up, for Friday night
With the Sultans
We're the Sultans of Swing


 
Posted : 08/04/2023 10:17 pm
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The plot deepens...

Dictionary definition of Sultan:

1.
a Muslim sovereign.

historical

2.
a bird of a breed of white domestic chicken from Turkey.

So whilst Dire straits might be good at swing, playing honky-tonk, and various other musical styles, and generally very accomplished musicians, they are not sultans by any known definition of the word.


 
Posted : 09/04/2023 1:20 am
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Knopfler also sang 'I should have learned to play the guitar...'

Well, at best that's just a humble brag really... I think even the most harsh critic would have to agree that he's pretty good at playing the guitar.

He's alsmost as bad as Bryan Adams.


 
Posted : 09/04/2023 1:49 am
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Wimbawey as much as you like but it’s highly unlikely that you will find a lion sleeping in a jungle.  It’s just not their habitat.

You're taking things too literally.

In the GnR song 'Welcome to the Jungle' clearly they're using Jungle as a metaphor for a big city. But which one? They have fun and games - many large cities have entertainment centres, or toy shops.

They have everything you need, they have your disease. Everything - to me that means a major trading centre, so probably a Western major city, or a select few of the RoW. Shanghai maybe?

You can taste the bright lights but you won't get there for free. As you fly into the city maybe, you can see the bright lights, but there's a notoriously expensive taxi ride to follow.....

and then - feel my serpentine. Finally, some clarity. The jungle is clearly London.

There's a zoo in London. With lions.  Which will sleep at some point. Clearly what was intended by Solomon Linda back in 1939 when the original was scored.

/Ted Rogers - and you've just won a bin.


 
Posted : 09/04/2023 5:51 am
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This was right at the time:

"I'm a man (a man),
without conviction"

Not any more...
...maybe that's just karma?


 
Posted : 13/04/2023 9:45 pm
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52 years should have been more than sufficient time to sort out most of the planets ills:


 
Posted : 01/05/2023 5:44 pm
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Kraftwerk: Marie Curie did not discover radioactivity


 
Posted : 01/05/2023 5:55 pm
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Marie Curie did not discover radioactivity

Explain this, then…

In 1903, Marie Curie shared the Nobel Prize in Physics with her husband, and the physicist Henri Bequerel for their pioneering work developing the theory of radioactivity, a term she coined, and in 1911, she won the Nobel Prize for Chemistry for her discovery of the elements Polonium and Radium, using techniques she invented for isolating radioactive isotopes.


 
Posted : 02/05/2023 2:16 am
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Becquerel. In 1896.

As I recall it he discovered by chance - he was experimenting with uranium and found that if he covered photographic plates with dark paper and then put uranium on top and left them in the sun then the plates still showed the shape of the uranium crystals.

But the weather turned bad, the sun was covered by clouds so he put his prepared experiment in the drawer and went home.

Sometime later he looked at the plates from the drawer and found they too had darkened. So it wasn't the sun causing it, it was spontaneous.

The Curies then worked further on it but the actual 'discovery' of the phenomenon was Becquerel's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Becquerel


 
Posted : 02/05/2023 7:30 am
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As I recall it

Oh come on, nobody believes you're that old.

Whilst maybe they didn't know it was radiation pre se, Indigenous Australians have known about it for a long time. There's an area in Kakadu National Park called by the Traditional Owners, Sickness Country. There are parts that pregnant women were never allowed to go, they aren't allowed to swim in the lakes there for example. It's also where the Ranger Uranium Mine was. Coincidence?


 
Posted : 02/05/2023 7:46 am
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OK, "as I recall" from my physics and inorganic chemistry classes.

Indigenous Australians have known about it for a long time.

If you read the Wiki, seems likely another French physicist observed it quite a bit earlier. Leads to a discussion about when discovery really happens - observation, directly, or indirectly, or does it need dissemination? Explanation as well? If someone says 'I've noticed this but haven't got the foggiest what's going on' is that discovery?

The Indigenous Australians example - clearly seems they knew something was wrong but could have been anything, other toxic chemicals, so hard to claim they knew about 'radioactivity' - just knew something was up with those lakes. Discovered it? IDK.

Probably getting a bit high brow for this thread, TBH.


 
Posted : 02/05/2023 9:08 am
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Where do we start?


 
Posted : 10/05/2023 6:18 am
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…But only when you’re synesthetic😝


 
Posted : 08/06/2023 9:22 pm
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I'm not sure that Faith No More care a lot about all of the following:

  • Disasters
  • Fires
  • Floods
  • Killer bees
  • The NASA Shuttle fallin' in the sea
  • Starvation
  • The food that Live Aid bought
  • Disease
  • Gamblers
  • Pushers
  • Geeks
  • The smack and crack and whack that hits the street
  • The welfare of all you boys and girls
  • You people
  • The army
  • The navy
  • The air force
  • The marines
  • The NYPD
  • The SFPD
  • The LAPD
  • Your guns
  • The wars they're fighting
  • The Garbage Pail Kids
  • The Transformers
  • The little things

For starters, caring a lot about all of those things would be exhausting and leave you little time to do anything else, let alone produce 7 albums.


 
Posted : 09/06/2023 10:01 am
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In addition Faith No More had earlier stated that they also care a lot about:

  • Los Angeles falling in the sea
  • The freaks
  • The people who live off the street (though they would presumably be included in the catch-all "the people" who Faith No More later proclaimed to care a lot about)
  • Cabbage Patch - presumably the Cabbage Patch Kids, given their care for the similar Garbage Pail Kids
  • The Smurfs
  • DMC
  • Madonna

At that point (1985) they also apparently copped for Mr T, though they do not clarify whether that involves more or less emotional investment than caring a lot about something requires.


 
Posted : 09/06/2023 10:14 am
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America may not have started all the fires, but they did start some and poured petrol on plenty of others.


 
Posted : 09/06/2023 11:28 am
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I can't think of a specific example, but given how much of the planet has been narrated about by the likes of David Attenborough et al, then I feel I can confidently assert, as fact, that the sound of the common fox is certainly not at all the "one sound that no one knows".

Obviously the remaining lyrics of What does the fox say by Ylvis are purely speculative and written by a song writer who has never knowingly heard a fox. So as much fun as it might (or might not) be those lyrics cannot be part of any fact checking mission.


 
Posted : 10/06/2023 10:07 pm
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“A report has been submitted to the Procurator Fiscal’s office. And in other news…”


 
Posted : 30/09/2025 5:48 pm
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caring a lot about all of those things would be exhausting and leave you little time to do anything else, let alone produce 7 albums.

Well. It's a dirty job. But someone's ....  (took me nearly 2 years, but I got there) 


 
Posted : 30/09/2025 8:53 pm
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They're called Inuit, you insensitive bastard.

 

Not any more.  
First nations!  Inuit are one of the first nations

 


 
Posted : 30/09/2025 9:22 pm
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We are the Priests
Of the Temples of Syrinx
Our great computers
Fill the hallowed halls

NO priests, and computers do not need to fill halls - ever. 


 
Posted : 30/09/2025 9:42 pm
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There is no dark side of the moon. I refuse to listen to that song until they fix it.

I had to fact check this statement as I was confused. After quickly reading relevant sections on the Sky at Night I would say the dark side is a synonym for the far side, in which case the statement (and title of the referenced article) is merely misleading rather than false. I have long took the dark side to mean the side of the moon which is never viewable from the Earth, I'd unfortunately never spent the time to know it wasn't always dark round there (which is bleedingly obvious now the fact has entered my knowledge).

Perhaps you should just listen to the half the song, or, the full song at barely audible volume?


 
Posted : 30/09/2025 10:21 pm
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Other moons are available.


 
Posted : 01/10/2025 6:44 am
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and computers do not need to fill halls - ever.

Ah, but they used to! Have you seen photos of the earliest mainframe computers? Vast things with a few Mb of memory.

1960’s…


 
Posted : 06/10/2025 1:18 am
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There is no dark side of the moon. I refuse to listen to that song until they fix it.

Dark side of the moon isn't a song, it's the album title. Pedant mode enabled


 
Posted : 06/10/2025 10:47 am
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computers do not need to fill halls - ever.

  Lolol okay, if you say so.

Ah, but they used to!

They still do, hyper scale AI server centres. 

Other moons are available.

There is only one.... 'The moon'.


 
Posted : 06/10/2025 11:46 am
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Not read the whole thread, so apols if this has already been pointed out, but surely not EVERYONE was kung foo fighting?


 
Posted : 06/10/2025 12:03 pm
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Posted by: sirromj

They still do, hyper scale AI server centres. 

My fact checking fact checked 🙂


 
Posted : 06/10/2025 4:29 pm
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This is Inditex's server room... 

 

Centro-de-procesamiento-de-datos-CPD-Laracha-Inditex-interior-3.jpg

 

From: https://www.osmos.es/porfolio/cpd-inditex-laracha/

(Inditex: the parent company of clothing company Zara + others)

 

I've not been in this one, but I've been in quite a few Spanish ministry server rooms, and they are indeed (freezing cold) halls filled with computers.


 
Posted : 06/10/2025 8:13 pm
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I've travelled this old world of ours from Barnsley to Peru
I've had sunstroke in the arctic and a swim in Timbuktu
I've seen unicorns in Burma and a yeti in Nepal
And I've danced with ten-foot pygmies in a Montezuma hall
I've met the king of China and the working Yorkshire miner
But I've never met a nice South African

[Chorus]
No, he's never met a nice South African
And that's not bloody surprising, man
'Cause we're a bunch of arrogant bastards...

 

 

Oh scrub that... it's pretty factual actually, except for a working Yorkshire miner.

 

 

 


 
Posted : 06/10/2025 9:58 pm
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Nice to see this thread resurrected!

Sorry Vanessa, I think you've fundamentally misunderstood orbits; regardless of your frame of reference, the sun literally _never_ goes round the moon.

Also, someone mentioned Guns'n'Roses earlier. Are the two criteria for paradise 1) attractive girls, 2) grass is normal colour?


 
Posted : 07/10/2025 8:56 am
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Welcome to the jungle:

the Jungle was a pub in leith immortalised in trainspotting IIRC. I doubt they had been to leith.  the pub did have "fun and games"

 

 


 
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And I swear that I don't have a gun
No I don't have a gun
No I don't have a gun

 


 
Posted : 07/10/2025 9:29 am
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Pink - "So What? I am a Rock Star"

 

No, you are a middle aged pop singer, now calm down

 


 
Posted : 07/10/2025 12:27 pm
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The leaves are not all brown, neither is the sky grey.


 
Posted : 07/10/2025 12:40 pm
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Missy Elliott 'One Minute Man' I'm fairly sure the line where Ludacris claims to 'balance & rotate all tires' isn't true. I doubt he even balances & rotates all his own tires tbh.


 
Posted : 07/10/2025 12:45 pm
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He has staff for that!


 
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Posted by: blokeuptheroad

Not read the whole thread, so apols if this has already been pointed out, but surely not EVERYONE was kung foo fighting?

You clearly weren't alive in the 70s, shit was wild back then.

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The leaves are not all brown

It might companion advice to warnings about yellow snow.


 
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And I swear that I don't have a gun
No I don't have a gun
No I don't have a gun

OMG you are bad 😆 

From the same era, I think it's become clear now that Ian Brown was not the resurrection.


 
Posted : 07/10/2025 2:37 pm
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and computers do not need to fill halls - ever.

 

 

Ah, but they used to! Have you seen photos of the earliest mainframe computers? Vast things with a few Mb of memory.

1960’s…

Well some still do, but they're a bit more powerful.

inside-the-worlds-fastest-supercomputer-and-its-mission-to-t_zhu9.3840.jpg


 
Posted : 07/10/2025 3:18 pm
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Ok OK!  I have been fact checked to death!

 

Did the beatles really know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall?


 
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"I hear that the Emperor of China used to wear iron shoes with ease"

Probably to distract from  the fact that chinese crippled their women by binding their feet so tight to make their Lotus feet look beautiful - or to stop them running away. What an incredible album that was. Or as a mate once said, they could get away with singing like that in those days

 


 
Posted : 07/10/2025 9:36 pm
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"Working all week in the noonday sun" 

Lazy sod, just works a few minutes a day then calls it quits.


 
Posted : 07/10/2025 11:38 pm
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Did the beatles really know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall?

No, but 'they' did. 

Makes you think. 

 


 
Posted : 08/10/2025 6:46 am
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I once sat wasting time in an exam at school working out how many holes were in the exam room - or rather in the acoustic tiles. Of course I didn't count them all, I used a bit of arithmetic to calculate the number of tiles, counted the rows and columns of holes in a typical tiles, etc...

So I knew how many holes it took to fill the assembly hall. I forget now.

 

 


 
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Posted by: egb81

Thunder doesn't only happen when it's raining.

Nor lightning, which can come out of a clear blue sky. This I know to be a fact, because I witnessed it once, in Colorado. Came as quite a surprise, not least to the poor sod who was struck walking across a car park. 
Never did find out what happened to him. 


 
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Posted by: DrJ

"Wherever I hang my hat, that's my home"

I think you'll find that the conveyancing process is a little more complex than that.

I dunno, there was that Greek bloke, lived in a barrel…


 
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Posted by: Sandwich

The leaves are not all brown, neither is the sky grey.

They might have been wherever the writer was at the time, which wasn’t the California he was dreaming about.


 
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“I’m strong to the finish, cos I eats me spinach” (Popeye).

Well, unless we see the money shot, that’s just empty rhetoric.


 
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Well, unless we see the money shot, that’s just empty rhetoric.

He demonstrated it in every episode.


 
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"Oh, sometimes I get a good feeling, yeah
Get a feeling that I never, never, never, never had before, no, no
I get a good feeling, yeah"

 

Etta James (later sampled by Avicii)

Assuming we are talking about the same good feeling throughout, given that it is felt multiple times ("sometimes" not "one time"), on the second and subsequent occasions said feeling is got, it is not a feeling that she never, never, never, never had before.

 

 


 
Posted : 20/10/2025 3:53 pm
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Maybe there have been several occasions on which she has had a good feeling she never had before, but a different one.


 
Posted : 20/10/2025 5:31 pm
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I DON'T remember the dormouse saying "feed your head".


 
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No no, no no, no no, no no, no no, no no there's no limits

 

Yes there are


 
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I can’t believe everyone was Kung Fu Fighting....there must be some pacifists amongst us.


 
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Maybe there have been several occasions on which she has had a good feeling she never had before, but a different one.

 

I accept this is a possibility, but the fact that she initially refers to "a good feeling" suggests that there is only one good feeling being referenced, rather than a range of disparate ones, each being experienced uniquely. It is at best imprecise and ambiguous and I think we should expect a greater level of clarity in our popular songs.

 


 
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When the devil went down to Georgia he was not looking for a soul to steal, he was looking for a soul he could acquire through winning a bet / contest.


 
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We do need education. But it is true we don't need thought control.

If we're being pedantic, and surely if ever a thread demanded pedantry it is this one, the double negatives tell us that Pink Floyd (and the children of Islington Green School) think we do need education, but also that we do need thought control.

Also, and unrelated, we do not all need somebody to lean on. Many of us can balance unaided.

 


 
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Has anyone mentioned that at Waterloo Napoleon did not surrender?


 
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Posted by: smiffy

I DON'T remember the dormouse saying "feed your head".

Clearly, as The Verve said, your Drugs Don't Work.


 
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And no library has a self replicating book.  Got to wait for DNA data storage I suppose.


 
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Potholes are getting worse according to motoring organisations. There are now considerably more holes in Blackburn which has a "new" council area Blackburn and Darwen.


 
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In the lyrics of Darling Nikki by Prince (no, not that verse, don't worry mods)

 

I looked all over, all I foundWas a phone number on the stairsIt said, "Thank you for a funky timeCall me up whenever you wanna grind"

Phone numbers can't say things. They're just numbers. The phone number did not say this, or anything else.


 
Posted : 23/10/2025 2:19 pm
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The claim is made that "they" were were not only justified, but also ancient. However, text alignment has only been a thing since the advent of moveable type. Even stretching to the very beginnings of type, still leaves us just outside the range considered to be ancient history.


 
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As the OP of this thread, I applaud that last observation. 🤣


 
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