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Anything that starts with “I’m trained (insert profession)...” is usually utter bullshit.
@beiciwr64
Care to tell us all who and where you got this from?😉
Edit: Drac beat me to it. A Google reveals its about as reliable a bit of information a you'd get down the pub from Dave.
A good summary on surgical masks.
” I’m trained as a chemist. A large part of my professional career was working in various parts of the filtration industry. I developed a line of mixed esters of cellulose membrane filters'......Snip
Source please
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https://www.theburningplatform.com/2020/09/19/florida-bar-owner-bans-masks-will-eject-patrons-who-wear-face-coverings/
Source please.
A quick google shows it to be a well repeated bit of text doing the rounds of us southern states anti-vaxer online press. Aka the dribbling classes. Who’d have thought it!
Ooh, science.
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So your source is "Chemist46" on the bottom half of the Internet.
I mean, do I really need to explain why this is not a credible source of facts?
Well with that I’m deleting it for spreading false news.
A quick google shows it to be a well repeated bit of text doing the rounds of us southern states anti-vaxer online press. Aka the dribbling classes. Who’d have thought it!
I mean, it starts promisingly, and the suggestion of it being a false sense of security is a potentially valid concern. But then you get this: "They also force the wearer to rebreath carbon dioxide. Which will over time reduce the wearers blood oxygen level. That can become very dangerous especially for older people” And that's such blatant horseshit that it discredits the entire piece.
Odd that there's no glaring grammatical mistakes until that last bit after "security" which is riddled with them and is totally different in voice. I'd suggest someone's taken an article from elsewhere and then tacked on their own agenda at the end.
But in any case. A claim which presents no evidence can equally be dismissed without requiring evidence.
Delete away! I found it informative.
Snus is also good protection against Covid,i won’t bother with posting links,don’t want offend the internet police again.
This winter with or without disposable paper nappies the NHS will be going under.Covid,flu and a mass of heart/cancer patients coming forward will result in a catastrophe.If we had listened to Mr Tegnell, we would not be in this position.1984 levels of unemployment by Christmas followed by depression and stagflation will kill many.A worthless paper nappy foisted upon us by pound world Trump(Boris)is a sick insult.
Next years No1
<span class="skimlinks-unlinked">If</span> we had listened to Mr Tegnell,
Sweden is doing far worse then it’s Scandinavia neighbours.
Delete away! I found it informative.
But as presented there it's not informative, it's an unsubstantiated collection of words and thus the opposite of informative.
If the source were verifiable as say the head of the CDC rather than "Chemist46" then you might have a point. Without that validation it's as informative as me going "I'M A CLEVAR SCIENCE MAN AND I NO MASKS CAUSE CANCER!!1!" on a mountain bike forum.
Don't believe everything you read. Check, verify, validate that what you're reading is true.
Snus is also good protection against Covid,i won’t bother with posting links,don’t want
offend the internet policerisk being debunked as talking nonsense again.
At the risk of repeating myself,
A claim which presents no evidence can equally be dismissed without requiring evidence.
Snus is also good protection against Covid,i won’t bother with posting links,don’t want offend the internet police again.
I would actually be interested in reading about it.
Although if the source is unnamed42 from the comments section of YouTube, maybe don’t bother.
monkeycmonkeydo
Free Member
This winter with or without disposable paper nappies the NHS will be going under.Covid,flu and a mass of heart/cancer patients coming forward will result in a catastrophe
This is the annoying thing you see. I agree with much of what you say and your opinions on the government's mishandling of Covid but then you diverge into civ Liv stuff.
As your quote above rightly says, the NHS might well be buggered this winter.
The huge difference between you and I is that I don't want to be part of the problem that makes that happen if I can help it! That makes you as culpable as the government you despise, do you see that?
That's what I can't get my head around.
I would actually be interested in reading about it.
A quick google spat out this. It's full of words like "hypothesised" and a far cry from established fact.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236870/
I don’t want to be part of the problem that makes that happen if I can help it!
Something that's been on my mind for a few months now and I've not seen mentioned anywhere:
Won't the CV2 restrictions - masks, hand gel, distancing at all - not also have a positive effect on the "seasonal flu" cases?
Cougar,what's the evidence that a poundland face nappy worn be an ignorant untrained populace works when dealing with covid 19?Drac,Sweden is doing worse in some respects than other countries in region.But for how much longer?Tegnell has pointed out Covid is a marathon not a sprint.The Danes and Norwegions are going to face terrible consequences from their lockdowns.Just like us.Sweden,on the other hand has been dealing with all health problems and has the semblance of a decent economy.The rest of us are about to have 100,000s of non covid deaths due to botched lockdowns and imposed austerity.You mark my words.
Cougar,what’s the evidence that a poundland face nappy worn be an ignorant untrained populace works when dealing with covid 19?
To not wear one I would need to see evidence that wearing a mask would make things WORSE.
It’s not exactly a hassle to wear one, so unless you think it will make things worse, what’s the ****ing problem ?
Cougar,what’s the evidence that a poundland face nappy worn be an ignorant untrained populace works when dealing with covid 19?
You need to read what I'm writing if you want to have a discussion, I've answered this question twice now on this thread alone. Three times if you count the IFL Science link I posted.
Sweden,on the other hand has been dealing with all health problems and has the semblance of a decent economy
Sweden's population density is a tenth of the UK. Direct comparisons of different countries based on a single metric isn't helpful. The world is more complicated that that.
The rest of us are about to have 100,000s of non covid deaths due to botched lockdowns and imposed austerity.
What's your evidence for that? What "non-covid deaths" are you referring to?
You mark my words.
Right you are then, Chemist46.
@ monkey.
You seem to think that lock down was unnecessary?
I ask as although I don't agree with that I do agree we should do everything we can to avoid them or at least make them less sever or shorter in duration.
That includes wearing masks as well as other small modifications of behaviour.
I'm sure some of the populous don't wash their hands correctly to remove any potential virus on them but do you suggest we tell people not to bother washing their hands due to that?
I’ve been in Norway for 3 weeks,5th trip since March.
Arrived in Oslo, got tested,result next day.Still compulsory 10 quarantine and i stayed at a friends cabin.I was allowed to go shopping and on public transport wearing a nappy, nobody else was.
Life is more or less normal, kids playing football,schools open and so on, it’s been s real joy.
Currently working on a boat,zero distancing and no masks,like i said it’s pretty normal.
There’s no lockdown in Norway!
Oh yes Snus! Everbody uses it,me included, it’s a covid killer!
I don’t take any unnecessary risks though, sanitise a lot more than the Norwegians do.
Cougar,large numbers of cancer and heart patients have been avoiding hospitals.This will result in many deaths.Also mass unemployment and even more poverty is on the way.Many will die from this.Who do you think the Tories are going to make pay for this mess?I,ll give you a clue,it won't be their friends.
monkeycmonkeydo
Free Member
Cougar,large numbers of cancer and heart patients have been avoiding hospitals.This will result in many deaths.Also mass unemployment and even more poverty is on the way.Many will die from this.Who do you think the Tories are going to make pay for this mess?I,ll give you a clue,it won’t be their friends
I agree but how on earth does not wearing a mask help remedy this?
Poopscoop,I dont see that any of us are as culpable as the bunch of Armani clad clowns in the Cabinet.Masks are just a comfort blanket for the 50% of the population who refuse to come out and enjoy the Capitalist theme park(due to propaganda).If lockdowns were such a great idea,how come we are in another one?Cougar,poopscoop and drac,when the next lockdown with accompanying paper face nappies fails what are you going to recommend then?A space suit?
The guardian newspaper have also been predicting 150,000 excess deaths due to the first botched lockdown.That was a conservative estimate.
Cougar,large numbers of cancer and heart patients have been avoiding hospitals.
Maybe if halfwits on the Internet weren't shouting about police states and discouraging people from taking basic precautions, they might feel a bit more reassured about their safety when going into hospital.
What's your alternative? It's a rock and a hard place, there is no easy answer here. How many deaths are acceptable collateral damage in order to kickstart the economy for the rest of us?
Still. At least we've got brexit to look forward to. I'm sure that'll make everything better.
Monkey, your arguments are conflicting. You don't want lock down but don't accept that people need to modify their behaviour to help avoid them? It makes no sense. This isn't a political argument. I started wearing a mask in shops back in March, ffp2 as at that point the mask was to protect me (as a carer for a 90 year old) as almost no-one else was wearing them at that point. Even then it was pretty self evident that a respiratory virus is likely to be blocked, to varying degrees, by a mask. Common sense stuff.
Masks and politics are simply not linked. Not in this context.
To ask again monkey, do you think we should ask people not to bother washing their hands as a preventive measure as some people aren't do it properly?
If lockdowns were such a great idea,how come we are in another one?
Ignoring the catastrophic logic failure there,
The areas back in lockdown are the areas that flaunted the rules first time around. And I can tell you first hand how well lockdown went in those areas because I live slap bang in the centre of them. People were up the park playing football and cricket; crossing roads to fist-bump their mates; having house gatherings and garden barbecues on a scale I've never seen in living here my entire life. It was a wilful act of defiance.
And now here we are today, papping on with some melodramatic horseshit about nappies.
I think you are more of a halfwit Cougar.Masks are not a basic precaution in this context they are a meaningless distraction from the real problems.And yes I do believe we are being ruled by diktat imposed by politicians using the police.Poopscoop I never said other precautions should not be taken.I mentioned the regular cleaning of mobiles phones as a good idea.I myself wash my hand when back from the shops.This doesn't mean I need to support the stupidity of the face mask.
So do you think the coming lockdown with paper masks is going to achieve anything Cougar.?
Sad to here the lockdown in your area was a fail.How do you expect the next one to be any more successful?
No point in getting personal with posters monkey and it does your argument little good.
Simply put, you think lockdown was unnecessary and that masks are some sort of distraction?Though, ironically, they are only a distraction if you want them to be. Most of us just wear them in a shop as it's only a tiny inconvenience and it shows a little bit of regard for those that work in the shop (hence the most exposed to the virus in this scenario) and other shoppers. I doubt anyone cares that Boris said we should do it, its common sense.
Wearing masks, lock down effectiveness, hand washing.... and basically giving a flying **** for the health of others are unfortunately undermined by exactly the mindset you exhibit. Do you see that?
Yes, that's why a second national lock down of some type is likely. What you are riling against is exactly what you are helping make inevitable.
I think you are more of a halfwit Cougar.
Masks are not a basic precaution in this context
Again, I've explained this more than once now.
they are a meaningless distraction from the real problems.
What do you consider are the real problems that a mandate to 'wear a mask' renders mutually exclusive?
And yes I do believe we are being ruled by diktat
I don't disagree with you there. Though it's funny, I thought the whole point of brexit was something about democracy. What happened there then, I wonder?
So do you think the coming lockdown with paper masks is going to achieve anything Cougar.?
First I've heard about that so as yet I have no opinion on it. Got a source for that please, then I can read up and educate myself?
Sad to here the lockdown in your area was a fail.How do you expect the next one to be any more successful?
It probably won't be, far too many people are demonstrably morons. But it'll likely be more successful than a policy of ignoring it and hoping it goes away.
Jesus wept.... is that what the inside of some peoples heads looks like? We're screwed.
Mine or monkey's?
I'll cheerfully hold my hand up that the inside of my head is somewhere between 'different' and 'wrong'. It's a constant battle but it has its benefits.
Not you Cougar...... not you. *sighs*
Pretty sure batfink is referring to monkey.
Edit: Beaten to it by the man himself.😁
Edit: Beaten to it by the man himself.😁
It's midday here - I am reading STW in order to avoid being tempted to check-in on the presidential debate.
Interested in hearing about peoples experiences with different masks - I've bought a non-disposable one and it's too small for (what seems to be) my giant face
It’s midday here – I am reading STW in order to avoid being tempted to check-in on the presidential debate
Yeah, don't do it. I'm watching it so you don't have to.😉