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why was he fighting?
Errr, he's a racing driver?
+1 Pastor, Hamilton didn't have to turn in at that point
Hamilton didn't have to turn in at the apex? Idiot.
EDIT: Surely the guy with no track should brake and get back on the track rather than just ram there way back into the apex of the corner?
Hamilton should have just accepted he could not hold the position till the end of the race and let him go- will he ever learn? As racing events occurred he comes from off the track into Hamilton so it is his fault and there was nothing Hamilton could do at the time.
[u][b]For sure[/b][/u] both of them left their brains at home ... 😆
😆
Surely Maldanardo isn't allowed to get an advantage from going off-track so should have dropped in behind Hamilton rather than just rammed him. 100% his fault IMHO.
Exactly.
Idiot.
A bit strong, isn't it?
Well, the comment was idiotic...
Well, the comment was idiotic...
In your opinion only.
Relax forum starting,Eddie will tell us the facts!
the only reason pastor was there was because there was tarmac and not grass on the left of the track. Ham had the line into the first bend, pastor went off. if there was grass there, pastor would have been all over the shop. Pastor should have hit the brakes and come in behind ham.
Why shouldn't ham have tried to stay ahead? He'd already fended pastor off for half a lap, he only had one more to do. as far as ham was concerned, at that point, pastor was off the track.
No, the comment [b]was[/b] idiotic. It shows a lack of understanding of the rules of F1 and fair play in general. Your defence of it simply proves my point.
Let it go organ, you won't get anywhere
@organdonor#maldonadoboilsmypiss
A mistake by Maldonado but the impact was Hamiltons fault IMO, was he aware PM had left the track? If he wasn't he would have driven into him, If he was there was no need to clip the apex knowing that PM would try to rejoin or have no choice running wide having taken the corner so tight. Maldonado started the incident but Hamilton once again could have easily avoided it.
See Eddie just said it was the fault of the pit stop!
Hamilton's pitstop will probably influence contract negotiations
Hamilton once again could have easily avoided it.
yeah he should have let a car not on the track over take him and go wide into the corner in case he tried to return to the track at the Apex..what was he thinking of holding the racing line simply because he was in front and on the track.
10 posiciones de sancion a MAL en el prox gran premio, 5 a Kobayashi y el podio de SCH en peligro.
All very interesting...
10 posiciones de sancion a MAL en el prox gran premio, 5 a Kobayashi y el podio de SCH en peligro.
In English?
I'm guessing 10 place grid penalty for Maldonado?
I'm guessing 10 place grid penalty for Maldonado?
Yes, which is interesting as they're due to speak with stewards at 16:00. 😕
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18564969 ]
[/url]Lewis Hamilton and Pastor Maldonado are due to visit the stewards at 16:00 BST to discuss the incident which resulted with Hamilton crashing into the barriers and retiring, and Maldonado limping home in 10th.
10 places drop for Maldonado
5 place drop for Kobayashi
Schumacher's podium at risk
Yes, which is interesting as they're due to speak with stewards at 16:00.
Which was nearly an hour ago... 🙄
BST.
racing incident for me- both made errors, started by Hamilton forcing Maldonado off the track and then not leaving room, Maldonado should have backed off and got him later the same lap- it was going to happen. Nether hold moral high ground
racing incident for me- both made errors
Agreed, but an F1 expert will be along soon to tell you why you're wrong... 8)
I'm pretty sure the rules say a driver is allowed one move to block then the other driver has to get around them. Maldonado just assumed he'd get past. It's the responsibility of the driver behind to make the pass clean.
I might have been imagining it but he made a fairly optimistic move on Webber too but was lucky that Webber gave him some room.
yeah he should have let a car not on the track over take him and go wide into the corner in case he tried to return to the track at the Apex..what was he thinking of holding the racing line simply because he was in front and on the track.
You answered your own question, obviously yes as Maldonado would have had to yield the position and Hamilton would have at least finished the race, either in second or third, either way as said there's blame on both sides.
were they not side by side at the first apex, then Hamilton whilst level with Maldonado eased him off the track- this is not a block surely- to be a block he would have to have been in front and he wasn't
but an F1 expert will be along soon to tell you why you're wrong...
the stewards [u]should[/u] be the experts, but even they get it wrong, especially when Hamilton is involved.
in any case, no matter the results, it's not going to get him the points he deserved. in my humble opinion.
LH to Ferrari. Yes it will happen. Alonso and Lewis need to be driven hard.
I sincerely hope he doesnt go to Lotus next year regardless of their current form....or stay at the incompetent team for another year. McLaren are going backwards again a la post-Mika.
Definatley a racing incident, I saw it happen in front of me.
Good racing all day in Valencia today especially gp2
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Definatley a racing incident, I saw it happen in front of me.
Good racing all day in Valencia today especially gp2
Stewards disagreed.
20s penalty, dropping him from 10th to 12th.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100705
I'm surprised the resident experts didn't have the courage to make that prediction. 😉
The outcome demonstartes two things.
1. Maldonado needs to fight his corner a bit better. Hamilton [url= http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/280499/hamilton-staying-calm-after-maldonado-crash/ ]didn't even know what was happening[/url]. 🙄
2. "the stewards [u]should[/u] be the experts, but even they get it wrong, especially when Hamilton is involved". 😉
Hot headedness from Maldonado, he presumably knew Hamilton's tyres had gone & it was when not if he was going to pass him why not wait a couple of corners...
Maldonado needs to fight his corner a bit better.
he needs to ram more people off the road in corners he cannot make 😉
Hamilton didn't even know what was happening.
He may have just been saying I am not answering that question with his answer you know.
I don’t really know what happened, to be honest. I just went into a corner and didn’t come out of it. It all happened so fast, do I don’t remember what happened. I just remember sitting in the wall with a lap to go. It’s very tough, when you put your heart and soul into these things, and it does change a lot because we lost a lot of points today.”
2. "the stewards should be the experts, but even they get it wrong, especially when Hamilton is involved". 😉
Because the Spanish are renowned for their love of Lewis Hamilton? 😉 I'll not bother with the photo of the blacked up racists but you could argue in the opposite direction that looking at other penalties this season, Maldonado losing points (but his team keeping them because of Senna) was almost a non-penalty. I suppose that perhaps they took into account that he also ruined his own race.
Because the Spanish are renowned for their love of Lewis Hamilton? I'll not bother with the photo of the blacked up racists but you could argue in the opposite direction that looking at other penalties this season, Maldonado losing points (but his team keeping them because of Senna) was almost a non-penalty. I suppose that perhaps they took into account that he also ruined his own race.
All this wrongness from one who can't even tell the time, forgive me for not biting. 😉
MSC 3rd!! Life in the old dog yet.
realistically schui was 6th or 7th, he only inherited 3rd in the last few laps due to others misfortune, not because of his pace.
balls. To finish first, first you must finish n all that. Or was Vettel the actual winner in your eyes too, as Alonso only won because of his misfortune and never had the pace.
I think maybe what he was saying is that although the 3rd place for schui was deserved it doesn't prove there is "life in the old dog yet" since at least 4 of the places were inherited rather than earned.
He did beat his team mate though.
He did beat his team mate though.
Which is basically the only really good way to judge form of racing drivers