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There's going to be a lot of pitstops in the race - 18 laps maximum allowed on a set of tyres, 57 lap race.
There’s going to be a lot of pitstops in the race – 18 laps maximum allowed on a set of tyres, 57 lap race.
So, everyone has to make 3 pitstops, what's the optimum strategy? Run right to the 18 lap limit and hope for a safety car?
what happens with a safety car will it still be 18 laps. will people have to pit if the safety car appears whilst on lap 18 of their current set? Also used sets will have a reduced life so how many teams have 3 unused sets to maximise the 3 stops.
I can see why they are all pee'd off having this put on them now having run tyres. Shame pirelli couldnt give them all new tyre sets for the race to minimise the impact
Sainz out already, Perez pitlane start
so how many teams have 3 unused sets to maximise the 3 stops.
You'd need 4 unused sets for that. There's a table with all of the tyres and how far they can go on each set here...
oh dear 🙂
Oops Mercedes!
Oops dear oh dear
FFS - not watched F1 in quite a while (doing other stuff on weekends), recently upgraded to Sky Glass, turned it on about 5.50pm ready for this and... I have to buy the entire Sky Sports package at £27/month if I want to watch F1. **** that!
Previously, on my old Box, F1 came as part of the HD package which was fine. No way am I upgrading to a whole load of football channels that I have zero interest in just to watch the few remaining F1 races.
🤬
Can you not get it via Now TV?
Racing incident, but 100% on Lewis.
Turned in as if George wasnt there.
Can you not get it via Now TV?
Probably but I'm not setting up yet more accounts, subscriptions and fees.
Blimey Lewis...
Will probably say he didnt see him in the mirrors etc. A sign of things to come.. great to see George holding firm and the team having no number one driver
Now Albon is leading!!!!
(ok its on strategy, but even so)
Think that’s sealed sergeant’s future
3rd time in 5 races that Lewis has turned in on someone whilst overtaking. Two of those ended in a collision, the last the other person got out of the way.
Think that’s sealed sergeant’s future
I think that was all decided quite a while ago. It probably sponsorship and the 2 upcoming US races that keeping in that seat.
Also Perez has shown that he on longer deserves that Red Bull seat. Was it 3 track limit infringements this race? A very mediocre second half of the season.
On a positive note, its great to see Piastri on the podium again. Repays the faith that McLaren had in him and another potential future world champion on the grid.
FFS – not watched F1 in quite a while (doing other stuff on weekends), recently upgraded to Sky Glass, turned it on about 5.50pm ready for this and… I have to buy the entire Sky Sports package at £27/month if I want to watch F1. **** that!
Previously, on my old Box, F1 came as part of the HD package which was fine. No way am I upgrading to a whole load of football channels that I have zero interest in just to watch the few remaining F1 races.
Argue harder - this happened to me in March and with a few stern phone calls I had F1 added. I now have Eurosport, F1 and "Main Event" only. They can give you anything they want, they just don't want to.
Because we had had sky for so long when we canceled sports a while back we kept F1 as it was a legacy thing. Not sure the exact working on it though.
If you changed the name of the account holder for a better deal you might not get that though
Checo is going to get all the support RB can give. . . He’s done for, isn’t he?
Omg he's 100% out.
To be fair, I think Checo and Max has been one of their more successful pairings? He's been there since 2021, and for the most part has kept pace with Max. I can't help feeling that Red Bull's reaction to him being a genuine title contender at the start of the season has resulted in him losing all motivation
Can't remember the last time Red Bull managed to have a harmonious driver pairing.
Pretty sure Coulthard was driving for them
the last time Red Bull managed to have a harmonious driver pairing …
…was probably the last time they were nowhere near a title hunt, so 2008. But the issue at the moment isn’t really lack of harmony, it’s that Perez just isn’t delivering, which is in stark contrast to the first few races. I don’t think that’s causing Max any disharmony whatsoever 🙂
Omg he’s 100% out.
TBH I don't know how Perez has lasted so long in F1, he holds both [dubious] records for number of GP before and pole position (215) and number of races before a win (190) he was criticised by Button for driving aggressively and banging wheels and Raikkonen thought he should be "punched in the face" for his overtaking style, and then again in 2018 for colliding with Ocon when they were driving for Force India. It seems to be a consistent approach.
Bernie Ecclestone, the former boss of Formula One, has admitted fraud after failing to declare more than £400m held in a trust in Singapore.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67088503
"Oh my goodness, what a surprise, I would never have thought Bernie capable"
Said no one ever when discussing Ecclestone's money
nickc
Full Member“Oh my goodness, what a surprise, I would never have thought Bernie capable”
Said no one ever when discussing Ecclestone’s money
😀 The surprising thing is admitting it! Although like the comments he made about Massa/Hamilton recently, in a few days he'll probably just "have no recollection" of doing so.
Mleh, He's in his 90's isn't he? He's got more legitimately made money than he can ever spend . I'd have thought that with a reported wealth of 2.9Billion it's not going to make that much difference now.
Not looking good for Perez....alleged quote from Marko:
Perez needs a change of climate and team. Now we’ll see how the next two races go. But the team and he are aware that he is in a crisis.”
Twodogs
Perez needs a change of climate and team. Now we’ll see how the next two races go. But the team and he are aware that he is in a crisis.”
He's been in full rabbit-in-the-headlights mode for about the last 5 races, saying stuff like this in public just makes it worse. Nobody can flourish under this kind of pressure. Look at how different Albon is at Williams.
Typical red bull second seat problems really!
TBH I don’t know how Perez has lasted so long in F1, he holds both [dubious] records for number of GP before and pole position (215) and number of races before a win (190)
Still got wins and poles though. Plenty never make that.
I always think Bernie is what you’d get if Brick Top went multinational.
Then there's the oft repeated story of the Brabham water tanks (illegal at the time) being used to smuggle cocaine (either into or out of, I can't remember) the Brazilian GP to pay off some debt (or agreement, the story changes) made by Nelson Piquet.
Those were the days etc etc..
Typical red bull second seat problems really!
Yup, just took longer to get there as they started with a more experienced driver this time
Then there’s the oft repeated story of the Brabham water tanks (illegal at the time) being used to smuggle cocaine (either into or out of, I can’t remember) the Brazilian GP to pay off some debt (or agreement, the story changes) made by Nelson Piquet.
The story I like is the one about the Great Train Robbery - the getaway driver, Roy James, later worked for Ecclestone making trophies. Ecclestone dismissed rumours that he'd actually been involved in the robbery with, "There wasn't enough money in it."
Typical red bull second seat problems really!
Shirley Red Bull must be able to see the pattern themselves? Perez was absolutely bossing it at the start of the season, and they have some how managed to turn him in to Lance Stroll by the tail end of the season.
I guess with Max so far in front and both championships in the bag they just don't care.
I guess with Max so far in front and both championships in the bag they just don’t care.
I think the whole 2nd seat issue is in fact entirely cantered around Max. He is at the same time; a blessing and a curse. As a product of their (at the time unique) driver school/academy system the fact that he's obviously a hugely gifted driver, makes both any team mate an obvious 2nd place, and his eventual replacement a massive issue. There just hasn't been anyone in the RB driver academy anything like as talented since, and now near enough every team has replicated the system making the pool of available driver smaller. Plus who'd want to be in the second seat anyway with the Verstappen's glowering across the garage at you? A poisoned chalice that Sainz, Gasly, Albon, Ricciardo, and now Perez have all been chewed up and spat out of (excuse my mixed metaphors)
From reddit and since deleted
And that was it. Of course the table had questions and comments but this person claimed that was all he knew, that this was all he has told by someone still inside Escudería Telmex.
<br style="color: #000000; font-family: 'lucida grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.05);" />Now, could this person make it all up in the spot to become the center of attention of the group for a few minutes? I mean, I guess he could have. He was certainly the center of attention while telling us all of the above. Being there at the time, knowing who he is and who he knows, I believed him. <br style="color: #000000; font-family: 'lucida grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.05);" />--- <br style="color: #000000; font-family: 'lucida grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.05);" />So, that's basically it. Take it with a grain of salt of course, I am no one with influence or "connections". I just happened to be there at the track with a group of friends, 2 of which knew this guy very well from years past. That's why they joined our group for dinner. Beyond what I've already written, I don't think there's much more for me to tell, If anything.
Bloody stupid formatting.
Basically. Sergio will announce his leaving at the Mexican GP.
Not a good Q1 for the green cars
Mixed up grid for the race
Could we have a good race, and different winner, or will it be the usual RB snoozefest?
I think the Ferraris and McLarens are there or there abouts now to RB, and the Merc is just a shade behind. On this track, it could be a good race.
Looking good for the Sprint. Less than 0.055 seconds separated the top four.
The Mercedes is looking really competitive.
Well that was a boring sprint race! Let's hope the race is more entertaining.
When MV decided to show what pace RB were hiding, it was really quite demoralising. 2 seconds in 1 lap and 8 seconds in the last 6…on quite worn tyres.
If they truly have an almost 2 second advantage over the car in front, Max will be P1 inside of 10 laps.
New rule should be, once you’ve tied up the Drivers Chmapionship, you start from the back!
Track limits...
Drivers - 'We keep going off and getting penalties! Bwaaaaaagh!! 😭
FIA - 'Aaaaagh - there now, here you go..." 🍼
https://businessf1magazine.com/october-2023-issue/
I came across this at a car showroom. Some quite interesting articles on the business side of the sport and a funny article on the personal logos of the drivers with an analysis of the current grid: Kevin Magnussen "if the font was ever given a name it would be called "illiterate", Nico Hulkenburg (a black oblong!) "has given up and recognised the futility of a driver's logo" etc
I’m amazed none of the front rows this season haven’t taken one for the team and driven him off the track, not full on ramming, just enough to ruin his chances of winning…
Interesting race this! Lewis might pull this off y’know… Wishing Lando could, but think it’s gone for him
Ahh, maybe not now he’s gone for a 2 stop 🧐
Ferrari! 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Red Bull have used Danny Rik to grab fastest lap so no one in top ten gets it.
Ferrari strategists back in full effect! 😂 Why had lando fallen away? And Max - can’t take it when it’s not easy!
Close!!
Hamilton seems to be really enjoying that Mercedes today. He’s 8 seconds ahead of Norris only 5 laps after overtaking him. Blimey!
Ohh, a couple of laps more and Hamilton just might have managed that..Well Done Max though nursing home a brake issue to win
All not well between JP and Max? That radio was terse! Max is a nob on the radio though, I’d not want to put up with the abuse he flings!
This seems to be the thing with Hamilton/Russell. Hamilton can drive a bad car equally as well as Russell, but give Lewis a good car and he seems to be able to push it right to its limits. These last few races, LH has been by far the faster car come race day.
I’d not want to put up with the abuse he flings!
…abuse runs in the family.
True that… ☹️
Daffy
Full Member
This seems to be the thing with Hamilton/Russell. Hamilton can drive a bad car equally as well as Russell, but give Lewis a good car and he seems to be able to push it right to its limits. These last few races, LH has been by far the faster car come race day.
I think Russell just couldn't get setup right this race.
Hopefully the car works better next year so we can get a decent fight.
Next bike ride I'm going to blame my performance on that voice in my head talking to me in the braking!
Max Making Conor Moore's next video easy
& yet he started 6th but managed to win the race.
Leclerc and Hamilton cars have failed post race scrutinising. Excessive plank ware by the sounds of it…Disq. x 2 incoming?!?
Ffs lol, although it does mean sergeant now has his first point!
So they tested 4 cars and 2 were found to have excessive wear, on a track where everyone was complaining about the bumps? 50% fail rate. If this were continued in the rest of the field, only 8 cars would’ve finished. They should’ve checked the rest and made a proper determination if it was track specific. How close were MV and LN to failing the test?
Daffy
Full Member
So they tested 4 cars and 2 were found to have excessive wear, on a track where everyone was complaining about the bumps? 50% fail rate. If this were continued in the rest of the field, only 8 cars would’ve finished. They should’ve checked the rest and made a proper determination if it was track specific. How close were MV and LN to failing the test?
Doubt they have the man power to check every car in the time frame, and also I don't think they want to DQ half the field!
The real problem is that the sprint format means not enough setup time.
Alonso retired with floor damage and you could hear Hamilton's floor hitting the ground during his overtake on Norris.
Bummer news to wake up to!
Still at least Williams get more points. They don't deserve to drop from 7th in constructions - those behind have done at lot worse with better resources.
And I think Checo will be in the Red Bull next season. I've said before Danny Rik has lost the spark and chucking Lawson in there would be very risky.