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What has Perez done for Verstappen this year exactly? Max has walked it. He’s needed no help or if there was help it wasnt critical in the outcome of the WC.
Sure. But last year Perez was a critical factor. And now that Max has walked it this year, he’s still either too focused on his own now-unimportant point tally or too keen to bear a grudge that he won’t help his team secure the 1-2 in the championship that they’ve never previously achieved.
It’s an individual sport.
It’s both a team sport and an individual sport. The fact that there’s a championship for individuals and a championship for teams should be a fairly clear hint. Max’s behaviour arguably seems to suggest that he thinks it’s a team sport when he individually needs help, but an individual sport when the team needs help.
Any Verstappen fans want to justify that behaviour?
Lol! I'm just loving how Max is living rent-free in so many people's salty heads. 🤣
Seems like Vettel /Webber all over again.
Webber was a gobby number two driver. I remember the infamous 'Multi 21, Seb' incident. Webber whinging as usual, and Seb saying nothing, but probably thinking 'shut up whinging Mark, its unprofessional and you're embarrassing yourself'. Seb left his talking to the track, where he comprehensively beat Webber in every single full season they were both at RB. Drivers are there to race; it's really NOT a team sport. Hamilton has punted enough team-mates off the track ffs.
It's interesting also, how so many on here are whinging and moaning about Max, yet ignoring the REAL story of the weekend, which is George Russell claiming his first win. Superb. Cool calm and collected, until just after the finish line. He looks the real deal, for sure. I think next season could be a corker, if RB, Ferrari and Merc can all be properly competitive. A 3 way battle between Max, LeClerc and George would be superb. And maybe Lewis will have to accept being Number Two from now on.
LeClerc won't be in any championship battle - he's too fragile and makes too many mistakes.
And Ferrari will be third best team at best. To be nearly overtaken for 2nd in constructors in a season when their car was the best at the start by one that barely worked is embarrassing.
Looks like Red Bull -v- Merc next year so I do hope they'll cost in a lot of repair bills! 🙂
Interesting take from The Race
Seems to support the theory that this was Max paying back Checo for Monaco.
Max is an amazing driver, he's thoroughly deserved this years championship, but he is really difficult to like.
And maybe Lewis will have to accept being Number Two from now on.
yes, coz LH has only won one race in his career too hasn't he....oh, wait..
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Full MemberSky explaining that it might be to do with Checo “binning it” in Monaco, after getting provisional pole, causing Max to not be able to set a final time.
Checo was in third when he binned it at monaco. Sainz and Leclerc were in first and second.
I don't think Checo was on for pole at any point during q3?
Seb left his talking to the track, where he comprehensively beat Webber in every single full season they were both at RB.
I think you're forgetting 2010, when Webber was ahead of Vettel heading into the final race. Ferrari saw Webber as the main threat to Alonso's shot at the title so they covered him instead of watching both Red Bulls. Vettel was very lucky to win that championship. Webber had a decent lead over him with several races to go, but Red Bull would not impose team orders.
And maybe Lewis will have to accept being Number Two from now on.
Also, George didn't get run into at the start of the race. There was nothing between George and Lewis at the end.
It’s both a team sport and an individual sport. The fact that there’s a championship for individuals and a championship for teams should be a fairly clear hint. Max’s behaviour arguably seems to suggest that he thinks it’s a team sport when he individually needs help, but an individual sport when the team needs help.
There are prizes for the teams but for the drivers, who do the driving it's and individual sport and they're usually pretty ****ing selfish and determined in their own rights
"What has Perez done for Verstappen this year exactly?"
Err... letting Verstappen pass when instructed by the team to do so on Sunday?
Would Verstappen have passed him anyhow? Probably.. but I'm just answering the question.
Would Verstappen have passed him anyhow?
Not if he was following team orders to work for a 1-2 in the drivers championship.
Assuming Merc can build a competitive car I hope they build it strong. With Max under pressure the Merc will need bumpers and extra crash protection
"Not if he was following team orders to work for a 1-2 in the drivers championship."
Exactly.
It was great to see the reaction to Hamilton from the fans in Brazil, as it was in Texas. It was a shame to see the fans boo him in Mexico but something tells me the Mexicans will find someone else to boo next year...
too keen to bear a grudge that he won’t help his team secure the 1-2 in the championship that they’ve never previously achieved.
this nails it for me, there’s a bigger picture here, and it would’ve been a no cost gesture from Max, but he didn’t take the opportunity? Seems just self inflicted damage
That’s my point: sticking two fingers up to Perez is one thing, but hindering the team that’s been kissing his arse for the last few years is just bizarre.
This actually reminds me of when Ricciardo beat Max to pole at Monaco when they were teammates and Max was really bitter about it. Sure, it will always be disappointing, but being angry because a competitor beat you is just childish. I don't remember exactly what happened with Perez's crash in qualifying that upset Max, but Perez never struck me as a dirty driver who would deliberately crash just to prevent others from having qualifying runs. Just childish of Max to still be bitter about it given that he's cruised to a dominant championship title.
I think you’re forgetting 2010, when Webber was ahead of Vettel heading into the final race. Ferrari saw Webber as the main threat to Alonso’s shot at the title so they covered him instead of watching both Red Bulls. Vettel was very lucky to win that championship. Webber had a decent lead over him with several races to go, but Red Bull would not impose team orders.
Blah. Webber lost. End of. 6-0 points for their full seasons together, 4-0 DWCs. Webber never finished the DWC higher than 3rd. Seb comprehensively destroyed Webber on each of the next 3 seasons. Sorry, but that's just the facts. In 2010, Webber had a 27 point lead after 13 races. Seb finished higher than him in the next 6 races, including 3 race wins. Hardly 'lucky'...
Blah. Webber lost. End of. Sorry, but that’s just the facts.
I like how you throw in some adverbs to make your initial argument, then when some facts appear that undermine those adverbs you choose which facts you want to be the important ones.
Also trying to think of any specific examples to back up “Hamilton has punted enough team-mates off the track”—I suspect there are some but can’t think of any. The three collisions I can think of are Canada 2011 (racing incident), Spain 2016 (which I considered to be mainly Rosberg’s fault) and Austria 2016 (which I’d call as Hamilton’s fault but wouldn’t describe as “punting someone off the road”).
Yeah; WHATEVER. 👐 🤣 🧂
Anyway; George Russell! What an achievement to win his first F1 race!
which I considered to be
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well, it’s always going to be subjective to some extent, isn’t it? Your subjectivity seems now to be expressed solely through the medium of emojis, at which point I think we’re playing chess with a pigeon.
And getting beaten. 🤣
Of course it's subjective. But I have pointed out actual facts. You can't argue with facts. Another good one is; in 2013, Vettel scored more points than Webber had that season and the last, combined. In the same car. Astonishing.
Anyway; George Russell's amazing first GP win...
Yeah; WHATEVER.
Pretty typical thing to say when you've lost the argument you started but aren't willing to admit it.
I don’t think anyone’s disputing the facts. It’s just that you’re choosing to ignore some of the facts about 2010 so that you can say Vettel “comprehensively beat Webber in every single full season they were both at RB” and then pumping out chains of emojis whenever you disagree with something. And, in classic pigeon-chess style, then explicitly claiming that you’re winning.
Anyway, enough of this… you’ve made your point, and the point is that you are best ignored 😉
Anyway; George Russell! What an achievement to win his first F1 race!
It was a very good weekend for George - but to claim he's the new Messiah is a stretch.
...I don't think it's only George that needs tissues either - you'll be needing some soon! 🍆💦
Oh great our resident smartarse is back from being a smug git on other threads 🙄
It was a very good weekend for George – but to claim he’s the new Messiah is a stretch.
Erm, I don't think anyone's doing that. But he is very talented, has outpointed a 7 time WC in their first full season racing in the same team, and has won a GP on merit. I think he deserves some credit, and it would be a little more positive on this thread if people were doing that instead of whinging about Max.
…I don’t think it’s only George that needs tissues either – you’ll be needing some soon! 🍆💦
Look Bez; emojis! Pigeons! 🐦🐦
Sometimes feels pointless to look at head to heads between team mates because it’s never a level playing field when there is a clear number 1 driver like at Redbull. I think Perez is probably a far better driver than he gets credit for or appears on paper if they actually let him race and apply optimum strategy. It always feels like they dial max is car up to 11 and dial Perez down to a 9. I honestly don’t think all results are on talent alone.
Same is true for nearly every clear number 2 driver. The playing field is not level.
instead of whinging about Max.
Do you think Max did the right thing?
Will Buxton's take on Max:
Comparisons between Max’s refusal of team orders yesterday and Vettel with Multi21 aren’t, to my mind, the same. Seb was going for a win, early in a season for which he was aiming for a fourth consecutive title. Max was running for sixth, title sewn up.
If, and it’s big if, this relates to Monaco, the team should have dealt with this by now. It should have been discussed and resolved. Verstappen should be long past it. And given how the season played out his sole focus should be on the team game.
Red Bull has never had a 1-2 in the drivers championship. That’s now their stated aim. His refusal to help them in that desire yesterday showed petulance and a sad and selfish short sighted spitefulness. He’s not the complete racer yet. Nor the talisman they need. Much to learn.
Hard to argue with it
Do you think Max did the right thing?
I have no idea what informed Max's decision to ignore team orders, and neither does anyone else. It's all just speculation. I'm not really interested in that. If he's got his reasons, that's up to him.If he's made a mistake, that's up to him to admit it, it's not for others to demand any particular behaviour from anyone. But what is very clear, is that he is a long way ahead of Perez in terms of talent, this is obvious. He's an incredible driver, but also Human. All Humans are flawed. It's very interesting how Hamilton's various character 'traits' don't get picked on on this thread, but Max's do. I expect a degree of partizanship on a UK-based forum, but some of the nonsense on here is just angry bile. People need to have a word with themsleves.
And back to George Russell; he's been so good this season, fully deserved something from it. I look forward to some proper inter-team battles at Mercedes, it would add excitement and drama. Bottas provided very little real competition for Hamilton, and competition is what the sport is all about. Whilst I'm happy for Max for winning in such an utterly dominant manner this seasons, I think the sport needs a much closer battle next season, or it'll be at risk of getting boring again. Merc have really worked wonders to get back to the front; it's Ferrari that need to be very worried. But as I said; a 3 or even 4-way battle for the title next season, would be fantastic.
I have no idea what informed Max’s decision to ignore team orders, and neither does anyone else.
Other than what he said, of course.
I expect a degree of partizanship on a UK-based forum...
Irony.
Other than what he said, of course.
Which was based on what?
Irony.
How?
I have no idea what informed Max’s decision
At the end of the day, it's makes little difference, There's a chance of an historic 1-2 for the Red Bull and rather than support that, he made a bafflingly selfish decision that has probably embarrassed the team, and made a fool of his team-mate. I mean, they'll get over it, I'm sure, but if your critism of posters on the thread is that they are partisan towards Max, it doesn't take a genius to see why they do when he does stuff like that?
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That’s an awful lot of words to not answer a question. IDGAF how you get to an answer, in your opinion, did Max do the right thing?
I have no idea what informed Max’s decision to ignore team orders, and neither does anyone else. It’s all just speculation. I’m not really interested in that. If he’s got his reasons, that’s up to him.
It isn't up to him, it's up to who pays him. He's won the championship by a country mile, he wasn't going to win or even podium in this race. The obvious team strategy was to maximise Checo's points to try and get that 1-2 finish in the championship. I think the Ferrari situation was a bit more nuanced as it's difficult to ask someone to step aside when in a podium position.
in your opinion, did Max do the right thing?
As I said, I'm not interested in speculation. Only racing. I really couldn't give two ****s what he did/didn't or why. I'm not that emotionally invested in 'heroes and villains' like some are.
IDGAF
IDGAF that YDGAF. So...
George Russell. Anybody? No? Russell? No?
Dust. Anybody? No?
I’m not that emotionally invested in answering direct questions like some are.
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Can I ask you why you posted that attempt at a personal attack, Chew?
George Russell. Anybody? No? Russell? No?
You could argue Russell has had a nice easy apprenticeship in his first season with Mercedes.
Knowing at pre-season testing that you don't have the car to challenge for podiums must take pressure off to perform (for both drivers). No threat of being kicked out either like Bottas had every season.
Hmm. Russell had a tough year at Williams, so I think he's served his 'apprenticeship'. He's inexperienced, but he's shown some serious talent already. A good natural success to Hamilton then? Pressure must be on Lewis to outperform George next season, and I don't think George is one to take that lying down. Hence why I am hoping for a good inter-team battle next year. Age and experience vs youthful exuberance. Let's hope they can entertain us for a few seasons yet!
Max v Lewis v Russell will be fun to watch.
Max will have x2 Mercs he'll have to take out - and no wing-man to back him up now! 🤣
I think George and Lewis will have to watch each other tbh. That could get spicy. I hope it does!
No love for Ferrari at all? They've made some spectacular errors this year; if they could get it together, LeClerc could be in the mix too. Yes, he's made some errors of his own, but perhaps that's understandable given the lack of confidence he must have in his team. It would be nice to see Perez and Sainz improve, but sadly I doubt they have that extra 1% needed really.
I don’t think there’s any doubt that George is the real deal and ready to fight for a championship, and has always been an obvious successor to Hamilton. His two races this weekend were faultless, despite the challenges of having to make a measured pass on Max, hold Hamilton at bay for numerous laps, and control two rolling restarts on a track that makes it harder than most to retain the lead. I was surprised he didn’t get Driver of The Day.
Leclerc, meanwhile, has been underwhelming this season. Fast at the start but characteristically inconsistent and generally off the boil. Obviously it doesn’t help that Ferrari can’t string together a championship challenge for toffee, but now Sainz has got his head round the car I see him as the more likely contender next year (I had expected him to outperform Sainz this season, but he seemed to take forever to get to grips with the car).
I wonder what the odds are of Checo being dropped for next season and being replaced by Ricciardo? 🤔
Perez won't improve, he's at his limit and in all honesty very lucky that the Red Bull junior system is short of talent at the minute.
Georges' performances this year (and previously when he regularly outdrove the Williams) show he is a driver with talent but i think LH will outperform him next year. Mercedes appear to have allowed GR to get on with his weekend as the new boy while LH seems to have been used as a sort of premium development driver in the early part of weekends which means he probably hasn't qualified as well as he might on many Saturdays, especially those in the early part of the season. Although GR held his own very well yesterday when it comes to racing another team I suspect LH will prove to have the sharper elbows.
MSP
Full MemberI don’t see how that was Verstappen’s fault at all.
Explanation:
The Stewards reviewed the video from several angles, including In Car Cameras,
CCTV and broadcast video.
The Stewards determined that Verstappen attempted to pass Hamilton on the outside
of turn 1 by braking very late. He did not complete the pass in Turn 1 and his excess
speed compromised his entry into turn 2, at which point he made contact with
Hamilton. While the Stewards recognize that Hamilton could possibly have given a
little more room at the apex of turn 2, the Stewards determined that Verstappen was
predominantly at fault.
Max was 20kph faster at the apex when they collided than on any other lap during the race.
I thought it was either a racing incident or hamilton's fault watching live, but i think the penalty is probably right having stepped through the replay.
Max was 20kph faster at the apex when they collided than on any other lap during the race
Ah - that's cut-and-dried, then.
I wonder what the odds are of Checo being dropped for next season and being replaced by Ricciardo?
I'd like to be proved wrong but I'd say we won't see much of Riccardo in an F1 car in the near future. Unless Perez does something daft or gives Verstappen a slap.
"Can I ask you why you posted that attempt at a personal attack, Chew?"
I'm guessing he mistook you for Fernando Alonso.
Max was 20kph faster at the apex when they collided than on any other lap during the race.
Wonder if Albon is available to do a reenactment to show that nobody could overtake there.
Max was 20kph faster at the apex when they collided than on any other lap during the race.
Ah, explains the penalty. I thought it looked like a racing incedent or 60-40 Hamilton's fault.
I, like many others was a bit gutted when Ferrari proved to be going backwards, hoping Mercedes pace isn't temporary so we can see some more drama. Hopefully with less toxicity (unlikely).
Wonder if Albon is available to do a reenactment
Surely Ocon already did the re-enactment in 2018? 😀
Those ruminating about how Hamilton is going to be able to cope with being a number 2 driver seem to forget he's been partnered by 3 world champions in the past and whilst he eclipsed Bottas, Bottas can't say he wasn't given a chance, if he'd been able to match his qualifying performance on race day then he'd have likely picked up a WC too.
The evidence seems to suggest that Hamilton can handle the pressure of a competitive team mate better than most, both in terms of performance and mentally. It's almost like he sees these things as a challenge.
I'm guessing a lot of people thought that with how things have gone for Hamilton at Mercedes this season, he'd either be throwing his toys out of the pram or retiring.
You could say that being a team player at the same time as being a ferocious competitor is one (or two?) of his 'character traits'.
EDIT:
And I'm not throwing shade at Max Verstappen either, (you can't throw shade on someone when they're under a cloud.)
jamesoz
I, like many others was a bit gutted when Ferrari proved to be going backwards, hoping Mercedes pace isn’t temporary so we can see some more drama. Hopefully with less toxicity (unlikely).
I think Mercedes have taken a genuine step forwards, but also Ferrari have struggled with their engine at the last two races. Hopefully just a blip on that front due to altitude/cooling. Three (or more!) teams at the pointy end would be fantastic.
What has Perez done for Verstappen this year exactly?”
Err… letting Verstappen pass when instructed by the team to do so on Sunday?
Would Verstappen have passed him anyhow? Probably.. but I’m just answering the question.
Whether he let max passed or not is slightly irrelevant as Max would have passed him anyway. He lost 4 seconds in a couple of laps. You cant defend from that type of pace difference. Point is Max would be WC this year with or without him. which is not the case with what perez was implying with his message about helping max win two titles.
"which is not the case with what perez was implying with his message about helping max win two title"s."
One and a half titles...
FIFY.
Oh yeah, forgot about Perez backing Lewis into Max at AD last year. That was great driving, that was. 🙂
Not quite the same as the FIA's assistance though 😉
One and a half titles
Two.
FTFY. As maths clearly isn't your strong point...
I wonder what the odds are of Checo being dropped for next season and being replaced by Ricciardo?
It'll be interesting. I think Riccardo likes the same sort of pointy front end that Max likes - Do you braking early; carry speed into the corner and let the rear balance the car and power on early for the exit, whereas the Maclaren couldn't be driven like that, it has a weak front that needed late braking and lots of steering input. In the MacLaren Ricciardo essentially extends every corner, and because the car doesn't like to be driven like he wants, he loses a ton of speed.
I doubt Perez will be in any danger, but if he replaces Perez for any races, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him a lot closer to Max on the road
because the car doesn’t like to be driven like he wants, he loses a ton of speed.
That just shows he's unable to adapt like other drivers can, a crucial strength in F1 really. Ricciardo is a strange one; on his day, a match for anyone, very fast indeed. But he's been humbled by Norris this season, and Norris isn't exactly lauded as the next superstar. Has his motivation gone? Perhaps being a test driver will be good for him, he can concentrate on that job without worrying about race pressure. He's definitely got the experience to give RB a lot, if he goes there.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see him a lot closer to Max on the road
You sure? I'm not. I think Ricciardo needs to find his mojo if he's to ever get back into F1 full time. Will he? He'll have to really go some as a test driver, against some decent young talent, to convince any team to take him on. Maybe his chance has come and gone...
That just shows he’s unable to adapt like other drivers can
Unlike Verstappen who only really shone once the car was changed to suit him over Perez.
And why has everyone forgotten the last time Max and Danny Ric were in the same team? I'm sure a pic will show how well that went.
He was roughly matching Max's pace when he was at red bull. Much like Webber, he got the shitty end of the stick a few times from the team in times when he could have been ahead. e.g. getting zero support after Baku '18 when max moved twice under braking and took them both out.
edit; yes that 👆 incident !
Unlike Verstappen who only really shone once the car was changed to suit him over Perez.
🤣 Gotta love the fiction on here. What utter rot.
Norris isn’t exactly lauded as the next superstar.
Er....I think you'll find he is, actually
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🤣 Gotta love the fiction on here. What utter rot.
Was listening to a podcast earlier on; perhaps The Race (I've listened to a few today) and they were talking about just this thing - that at the start of the season, Perez & Verstappen were a lot closer, due to the car being more 'stable' and less over-steery. Apparently, Perez likes a more neutral feeling car, while Verstappen doesn't.
As the car has been developed over the season it has got more over-steery to suit Max's driving style & this has been to the detriment of Perez.
I reckon over the course of the season Verstappen would still be quicker, but they were closer at the start of the season.
Unlike Verstappen who only really shone once the car was changed to suit him over Perez.
I think it's fairer to say that the gap between Perez and Verstappen widened significantly after Canada when the car was developed in a way that more suited Verstappen, up until that point they were (when they finished) much closer.
Gotta love the fiction on here.
You would, being the source of a lot of it
You sure? I’m not.
No I'm not sure, I'm just speculating but I think Riccardo's a decent driver, he'll driving/testing in a car that suits his style better, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he finds his mojo again, whether he gets a chance to race (a longshot) is another matter
"Two.
FTFY. As maths clearly isn’t your strong point…"
Verstappen was frequently referred to as 'a deserving champion' last season, I'm sure he'd rather be referred to as simply 'the champion'.
That's why he barged into Lewis so unnecessarily yesterday, although he's won this season at a canter, in his head he is still racing those final few laps from last season.
Hamilton's ability to live rent free in others heads (Alonso, Vettel for a bit and now Verstappen) is one of the reasons he's so rich, (and so successful.)
If you don't believe me ask George Russell, yesterday he himself admitted that for a few races he had become obsessed with Lewis's performance and had to to a re-set and focus on his own abilities, realising that he could fall into the same trap that other challengers to Lewis have in the past (and presently for that matter.)
You would, being the source of a lot of it
Miaow! 🤣 🧂
I think it’s fairer to say that the gap between Perez and Verstappen widened significantly after Canada when the car was developed in a way that more suited Verstappen, up until that point they were (when they finished) much closer.
But Verstappen was already ahead by some margin. Obviously RB would have developed the car to suit their better driver, that's just common sense. Drivers are usually closer at the beginning of the season, when they're both in a new car. But Verstappen had already outpointed Perez by a margin of over 2:1 the previous season anyway. I was responding to the ridiculous notion that Verstappen 'only really shone once the car was changed to suit him over Perez'. Behave. He was WC ffs! He was already very shiny indeed!
No I’m not sure, I’m just speculating but I think Riccardo’s a decent driver, he’ll driving/testing in a car that suits his style better, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he finds his mojo again, whether he gets a chance to race (a longshot) is another matter
Would be good to see the kind of form he had early on at RB. But that seems to have evaporated.
Er….I think you’ll find he is, actually
Who by, Zak Brown? I really don't think that's a universal view. Solid, consistent driver though, no doubt. Future WC? Hmm.
That’s why he barged into Lewis so unnecessarily yesterday, although he’s won this season at a canter, in his head he is still racing those final few laps from last season.
I think he's some way over that. Like, two DWCs over it...
I think he’s some way over that. Like, two DWCs over it…
I don't think he gets over anything, wasn't this weekend's little spat about paying bach Perez? He's a petulant child.
I think the fact Lando passed on the chance to drive for Red Bull says a lot. Seems he’s happier having jolly japes at McLaren than pitching himself against the best driver in the best car.
He’s gone down a bit in my estimation since I found that out.
But Verstappen was already ahead by some margin.
Of course, on points, he's a much better driver; but until Canada it's much closer on the track, Perez is either routinely second, and is on the podium when Max DNF's (Australia) or takes the win when he can (Monaco) from then on the car is developed more towards Verstappen for obvious reasons, and Perez - who did have a car he could perform in at first, begins to slide backwards by comparison.
But isn't it more that the faster driver (in this case Max) is able to help development more, as it's just common sense to go in that direction? If you want to win WCs, then you're not going to make things more equal to the detriment of performance, are you? So the car ends up 'suiting' the faster driver more, because that's just logical.
Yep - best driver dictates the direction of development. Not a chance they’ll develop to suit Checo. Has always been this way, always will be.
Vettel was a master of the blown diffuser so engine maps were designed to suit his aggressive nature.
So the car ends up ‘suiting’ the faster driver more, because that’s just logical.
Yep, makes total sense, but Perez has helped with that as well, and he's entirely bought into the team ethos of Max being number one, and supported Max even when he doesn't want to, or to the detriment of his own race. After Brazil he was asked if it's important to him whether he feels he still has an equal chance in the team, and he said, "Yeah definitely, otherwise it makes no sense"
ie, if it's not equal [chance], then why would I help?
So, with one radio broadcast, Max has just made a committed team player doubt that he's made the right decisions, and he may think twice next time if he's in a position to offer help. (Without Max's help in Abu Dhabi last year, this may have been Max's First championship after all.) Max might think the matter's closed, I don't think anyone else (Perez included now) thinks that's the case.
Max is clearly very fast, but Hamilton lives in his head rent free, (witness how he changes his driving style around him) and now he's potentially gained another rival on track who was before; a committed team player.
That's not so smart.
Well, that’s nothing more than speculation and your opinion. I’m sure Max and Perez will have it sorted by the next race. Then you’ll all have to find something else to whinge about. 🤣
Then you’ll all have to find something else to whinge about.
Are you 12? I'm happy to natter about F1, but tone it down eh?