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But that leads to the situation where you can stuff it up the inside from waaay back... As above, I was originally against the penalty then reviewed my thoughts. I guess that's why there are actual humans involved in the decision - sometimes it's not as clear-cut as can be outlined in a few words. As it is, I don't think DR was ever going to gain another place and he didn't lose any so I suspect he'll not be giving a shit today 😉
F1 2022 (CONTAINS SPOILERS)
scotroutes
Full MemberBut that leads to the situation where you can stuff it up the inside from waaay back… As above, I was originally against the penalty then reviewed my thoughts. I guess that’s why there are actual humans involved in the decision – sometimes it’s not as clear-cut as can be outlined in a few words. 😉
Well yeah sure but change the wording of the rules to say that then!
I take your point anbout divebombs but just look, "significantly alongside" looong before the apex.
You can look at Yuki's steering angle and make the argument that Yuki already committed at that point, all i'm saying though is that's not how the rule is worded.
As it is, I don’t think DR was ever going to gain another place and he didn’t lose any so I suspect he’ll not be giving a shit today
Lol he definitely doesn't give a shiny shit, after seeing the replay of the incident he said something like "oh well I feel a lot less guilty about it now i've seen it!" 😀
So why was it a 10 second penalty?
Because the stewards looked at it and decided it deserved a penalty. The matter is closed, time to move on.
The fact that Tsunoda was punted off the track at high speed, was probably the deciding factor in that decision. Had there just beed a bit of rubbing, then I doubt Ricciardo would have faced any penalty. But it was a bit rash, and drivers have a responsibility to ensure the safety of all others on track. From that pic, it looks like Tsunoda has the racing line in that corner, as Ricciardo would probably have run a bit wide coming in at that angle, that fast.
Bit of a boring race, was hoping Perez could have got up onto Lewis back wheels, given us a bit of a show, but Lewis, even in a slightly inferior car, is too good. Merc's progress, since the FIA changed the rules a bit to allow Mercedes to be more competitive, has been excellent, and it's encouraging for next season, as it means it hopefully won't be the Max Verstappen show all season again. He is on another level from the rest though, and even with RB's penalties, he could still destroy the field once more. 14 wins in one season. Wow.
I wouldn't bet against him winning the final 2 races. I'm more disappointed in how much Ferrari have dropped away as the season has progressed.
The penalty of Ric was fair. Where a driver involved is forced to retire as a result there will usually be a penalty for the other driver. Had he not retired the penalty may have been less.
Think Perez had a poor drive IMO. way off Max and couldnt keep up with Hamilton on softer tyres. Not unexpected though.
14 wins in one season. Wow.
It's an incredible achievement. To put it into perspective; in 1988 it took the combined efforts of Senna AND Prost to win 15GP in a year, Max is one away from equalling that, and there are two more GPs left.
It’s an incredible achievement. To put it into perspective; in 1988 it took the combined efforts of Senna AND Prost to win 15GP in a year, Max is one away from equalling that, and there are two more GPs left.
Yes, but there were only 16 races that season....
Schumacher won 13/18 in 2004 (72%)
Verstappen has had a great season, but isnt going to get that record this year.
It’s an incredible achievement.
More races in a season now though.
To get the all time % of races won (Schumacher, 72.2%, 13 of an 18 race season) he needs to win the next 2, to get 16 of 22 (72.7%)
Edit. What chew said.
...and he's had £1.74m worth of extra development sandwiches in that car 😉
I wouldn’t bet against him winning the final 2 races
Yep, it's hard to imagine anyone else getting a look in the way he is performing right now. This may well the way it is for the next few years tbh
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Bit of a boring race, was hoping Perez could have got up onto Lewis back wheels, given us a bit of a show, but Lewis, even in a slightly inferior car, is too good. Merc’s progress, since the FIA changed the rules a bit to allow Mercedes to be more competitive, has been excellent, and it’s encouraging for next season, as it means it hopefully won’t be the Max Verstappen show all season again. He is on another level from the rest though, and even with RB’s penalties, he could still destroy the field once more. 14 wins in one season. Wow.
Yeah you couldn't really ask any more from Max this season. He's done exactly what was needed to win the championship. The cars been great, the pit crew have been great. Can't really fault them.
RB seem to be overall better at strategy decisions than Merc TBH, I think the pace of the Mercedes over the last 8 seasons has masked some questionable decisions.
The race itself was a bit dull, I don't know why merc didn't let George go more aggressive and split the strategy. Didn't really feel like they had much to lose with Ferrari's lack of pace, and as it turned out looking at how quick DR was at the end, it would probably have been the optimal strategy as well.
Ferrari, well. What can you say? Mamma mia. Another race to forget. Awful. Car looked slow and very difficult to drive.
I think the pace of the Mercedes over the last 8 seasons has masked some questionable decisions.
Undoubtably true, but they have made some shockers even when winning, and like yesterday I think Lewis helps the difference with a few % of all-star-ness.
To get the all time % of races won (Schumacher, 72.2%, 13 of an 18 race season) he needs to win the next 2, to get 16 of 22 (72.7%)
Ascari did 75%. 😉
Ferrari, well. What can you say? Mamma mia. Another race to forget. Awful. Car looked slow and very difficult to drive.
The Race’s podcast goes into this briefly - the Ferrari’s apparently run smaller turbos requiring higher RPM’s to make the same boost. The mildly higher altitude at the Austrian GP resulted in Sainz’s turbo exploding due to the increased RPM, so they turned it down given Mexico city being almost 3x higher than Spielberg.
Interlagos is at almost the same altitude as Spielberg, so Ferrari maybe aren’t going to be much of a factor there either.
I wouldn’t bet against him winning the final 2 races.
Dunno, a few races ago I thought maybe Brazil would be the one I’d choose if I was a betting man and wanted to put a fiver on a Hamilton win. It’d be long odds, sure, but of the races that remained at the time it would have been the one I’d have gone for. I’m hoping for a decent race, anyway, it’s a great circuit. (No such hope for Abu Dhabi, IMO.)
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The Race’s podcast goes into this briefly – the Ferrari’s apparently run smaller turbos requiring higher RPM’s to make the same boost. The mildly higher altitude at the Austrian GP resulted in Sainz’s turbo exploding due to the increased RPM, so they turned it down given Mexico city being almost 3x higher than Spielberg.
Yes that's true, regards the driveability, Binotto said they went the wrong way with setup and couldn't sort it out with the limited practise sessions so maybe it's not as bad as it looks.
Sign me up for x4 tickets and a few nights in Caesar’s Palace - shouldn’t cost more than £20k - WTF is F1 becoming… 🤬🤬🤬
https://www.racefans.net/2022/11/03/racefans-round-up-03-11-5/
Friend of a friend who works for McClaren said that F1 books 30,000 rooms at Vegas for the Grand Prix. He didn't explain why. Anyone have an idea?
Friend of a friend who works for McClaren said that F1 books 30,000 rooms at Vegas for the Grand Prix. He didn’t explain why. Anyone have an idea?
Teams, staff, sponsors + guests and lots of Hospitality packages? Pure guess on my part but I wonder if it's easier for all the bookings to be managed by one organisation as opposed to "everyone for themselves"
Las Vegas Grand Prix tickets go on sale starting at £440
Jesus wept, that’s Silverstone money!
<laughing AND weeping emoji>
Qualifying anyone? KMag for pole???? It’s on… 😳😳😂
He did it! This is brilliantly hilarious! Haas bookend the grid!
Enjoyed that. Ferrari really are good at ****ing things up 😅
Elbows out for tomorrow KMag 🤞
"if you want to eat soup, you've gotta have a spoon"
GS. 11/11/22
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Max’s side of the garage showing Checo who number one is…
Really pleased to see Russell and Merc take that one. There were a couple of controversial inter-team battles too, with Ocon/Alsonso and Vettel/Stroll. No quarter given by either Ocon or Stroll to their teammates - Stroll pushed Vettel into the grass on the main straight. I reckon that Fernando has some choice words to say too.
great sprint race, any word on the grid infringement yet?
Great sprint, bet Max was fuming about being on the medium. The Merc is looking so much better now.
Stroll- I've given him the benefit of the doubt, but he really is not up to the required standard. Next year with him and Alonso as teammates could be interesting 🙂
Great little race h Mercs were pretty on fire but who knows what will happen tomorrow.
SV is just so cool now - going to miss him.
great sprint race, any word on the grid infringement yet?
https://twitter.com/Motorsport/status/1591553612731269120
https://twitter.com/Motorsport/status/1591558225991958529
cant believe Red bull did a ferrari for the sprint race. Two stop strategy soft medium soft or 1 stop ms + option s for red bull
Did they? Max is saying they have tyre issues and would’ve killed the soft, they do seem to have front end issues even if not as bad as he’s making out. Merc think RB are just keeping two sets of brand new sofas for the race.
Perez was hardly flying with his softs.
So not exactly a Ferrari level tactical blunder
I see the numpties on social media have blown up because LH "cheated in the start box" and got away with it. 🙄
I think he was half a sandwich nearer the start line than everyone else 😆
I think he was half a sandwich nearer the start line than everyone else
He was further back not nearer!
https://twitter.com/SkySportsF1/status/1591529410259456000?t=dajNL7t-nu8B9qkSWQtP6g&s=19
Lmao I don't get these overtaking/collision rules at all
I don't see how that was Verstappen's fault at all.
However now could Hamilton do just a 1 stopper, having done 30 on the softs.
I think that’s what he’s trying!
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I don’t see how that was Verstappen’s fault at all
Seems to come down to “rulez iz rulez”
Lewis in early, hope for Merc it pays off
The mercs looking fast on the softs
‘You’re racing’ to George, interesting call!
Ocon really is a piece of work. Going to be fireworks next year with Gasly.
Great to be able to hear the crowd react when stuff goes down. 🙂
Verstappen showing what a team player he is at the end.......
"I knew we could do this! I knew it!" says George Russell. "I need some tissues!"
Eeewww. Is George getting over excited in that car??
"I knew we could do this! I knew it!" says George Russell. "I need some tissues!"
What did he do?
Depends which track and who needs the points.. its not a sport with rules that are followed. Almost as much of a joke as championship boxing scoring. The strongest driver won today.. Its a changing of the guard for sure.
LeClerc too, spoilt child behaviour! Well done George though, that was a cracking race…
Best weekend in my pub for ages.
Last night a barmaid brought in a half a dozen of her mates from a local lapdancing venue and today this.
Major kudos for bringing it home after the safety car, glad I watched that. 🙂
Verstappen showing what a team player he is at the end…….
Seemed an odd shout from the team IMO. If they were nose to tail, fair enough. But wasn't Checo 4 secs down the road?
Verstappen showing what a team player he is at the end…….
Same as in the sprint race. He could have swapped to give his team mate a better shot at 2nd place, behind him, in the championship at no loss to himself, as he’s already won it.
But didn’t.
Checo could be 3 points ahead of leclerc, going into the last race, but no.
Similar with leclerc and sainz, but I get not robbing sainz of a podium.
On a lighter note, I enjoyed Martin Brundles comment about Kings Lynn finally having a GP winner.
Huge congratulations to Russell, I'll bet that's a weight of him and the team
"I will do everything I can to help him get 2nd place next week"
Not this week though 🤷♂️ WTAF?
Verstappen gets more narcissistic every year - he really makes it difficult to like him despite his obvious talent.
Sky explaining that it might be to do with Checo “binning it” in Monaco, after getting provisional pole, causing Max to not be able to set a final time.
Max neither confirming nor denying anything.
this will come back to bite Max when he needs support next year. Multi 21 Max!
Edit, Checo wasn’t provisional pole (he was third) it’s just it stopped max having a final flying lap, meaning he got 4th. Ridiculous if that’s the reason.
this will come back to bite Max when he needs support next year. Multi 21 Max!
Max is bulletproof at RB, as long as he is winning. Checo, if he doesn’t follow orders, not so much.
Yep...very clear who's in charge at Red Bull
Max really is a nasty piece of shit isn't he.
He’s an arsehole. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
Hopefully from here on in Perez will just drive for himself. That team is not 100% toxic.
Reading that tweet about "team leader" reminded me of Michael Schumacher letting his brother unlap himself in the French gp, which gifted Ralf a point. It's that ability to play the wider game Max doesn't seem to have.
Maybe he'll leave RB in a few years time and turn out like Vettel... but I doubt it.
Well, that weekend had it all. Can we have a season with 10 races at Silverstone and 10 at Interlagos?
Any Verstappen fans want to justify that behaviour? 😉
The thing that stands out for me is that Verstappen is at a psychological disadvantage to Hamilton. Verstappen has done some brilliant drives this year, he's shown that he can drive intelligently and not feel the need to charge in and try to pass every time there's a gap. Except when it comes to Hamilton. When it comes to Hamilton, he just seems to revert to his old self and refuse to back out when a collision is inevitable. He just seems to feel this need to validate himself by beating Hamilton. What we saw last year was that Hamilton will back out when it's smart to do so, but also get aggressive when he thinks it's needed. That pretty much lets Hamilton goad Verstappen into a collision whenever he wants to.
Max is bulletproof at RB, as long as he is winning. Checo, if he doesn’t follow orders, not so much.
Yep - and with the rumours that Danny Ric is being lined up as Red Bull reserve next season the pressure will be on him again.
Wow, Verstappen demonstrating a complete lack of class 🤷♂️
There's an argument to be made that if MV needed to settle the scores (whatever you think of that) doing so when it made no difference when they have won the Constructors and Drivers already seems like the best choice. Yeah he probably could've helped out Checo, but RB is his team, he can pretty much do what he wants, and he clearly wanted to settle things in his head.
That's the glossiest spin I can muster to put on what on the face of it otherwise, seems like pretty petulant behaviour - in front of the TV and SM who will treat it like that. Seems like Vettel /Webber all over again.
There’s no ‘I’ in ‘Team’
Correct. But there is a ‘Me’.
Gosh - Red Bull unable to control teammates shocker.
Throwing all neutrality to the wind, I’m really hoping the script for Abu Dhabi has Hamilton bagging the win to keep his record going, and Red Bull having to deal with not getting 1-2 in the drivers’ championship 🙂
It's an individual sport.
What has Perez done for Verstappen this year exactly? Max has walked it. He's needed no help or if there was help it wasnt critical in the outcome of the WC. The only way he could have helped this year is by being on holiday for most of it. Been a less competitive teammate than Bottas was to Hamilton.
In all honesty he's lucky to be in that car and able to win a race now and again.
Anyway congrats to George R. Glad he got a win.