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Also, if the budget cap is in USD and most teams are paying their staff, and presumably many other budgets for manufacturing, facilities, travel, etc in GBP and then Kwarteng steps in to bugger it up they could suddenly find themselves in trouble.
Not sticking up for RB by the way, other teams appear to managed it, but the budget cap could just favour those who hedge best rather than those who spend wisely
It'll never happen but I would like to see this.
https://twitter.com/SportmphMark/status/1575798823418417152
Re the sky news, I've not seen anything confirming exclusivity of digital rights, it all mentions "broadcast". So I'm clinging on to a faint hope that F1 TV might become available, but know that this is about the same hope that Leclerc has of still winning the title this year.
Things are likely to get dirty!...
Well this is dull! I feel an afternoon nap coming on! 🤣🤣😴😴
Yeah can't say I enjoyed that
Latifi gets a five place penalty. So last becomes last then
George had a shocker today, well done to Perez. Great drive.
Nice to see Perez pulling 7+ seconds out of the Ferrari towards the end. Other than that I think I watched 70% at 12x speed just to get through it. MaxV and LewisH showed overtaking wasn't a great option. Thank goodness for the 2 hour time limit
Yeah those conditions are terrible for racing anywhere, let alone a street circuit. As soon as you try to attack you end up on the wet bit of track and lose all grip.
I think Perez was damn lucky to avoid getting 10 seconds for his safety car incidents. I thought it was just a warning then one incident, but it was a warning then two incidents, so really should have been 2 x 5s time penalty, not 1 x 5s + 1 reprimand.
So RedBull have dodged one serious penalty this week - Wednesday could be interesting though.
Sadly F1 has really now become 100% about the show. No way was Perez going to be given a penalty that would have lost him the win after giving him the trophy.
Likewise I don't believe the budget cap breach will come to anything at all despite it helping that team hugely last season and this season.
Nice to see Perez pulling 7+ seconds out of the Ferrari towards the end
RB are just trolling the rest of the field now tbh. Max probably knows that yesterday didn't matter. It will happen in the next couple of races easily. I'm also tired of the hype about Merc finally being in with a chance of winning. They're nowhere near it.
.. double post.
Just been reading that Dietrich Mateschitz has died. Sad news if true.
Honda logo is back on the RB from Japan onwards, good to keep them in the sport.
Apparently the news on the budget overrun is due in the next 2 hours.
So, given Honda’s form in deciding when to join and leave F1, the badge goes back on the car just as it becomes a PR albatross…? 🙂
Shame about the race; fairly eventful yet never actually interesting. Inevitably, racing at night in a city notorious for its humidity means the track is never going to dry out off the line, so it’s pretty much “follow or crash”. Fine in the dry, fine in the rain, no good after the rain.
Awaiting FIA report!...
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Even if Redbull are found to have taken the piss by a large amount I cant see them getting more than a fine and as mentioned above that's no deterrent when they have extra cash due to the cap. Regardless of who's over spent I hope they get a proper punishment that makes others think twice about it.
You get the feeling figures are being massaged and lawyers are being prepped while we wait!
Regardless of who’s over spent I hope they get a proper punishment that makes others think twice about it.
To paraphrase Max Mosley '$10m for the offence and $90m for Christian / Helmut being prats'
Lawyers must be busy.
...or those suitcases stuffed full of cash are heavy and taking time to get though the back door at FIA HQ! 🙂
Report delayed - there's some shit that needs to be buried deeper than their current shovels allow - FIA's management of F1 is pathetic...
https://the-race.com/formula-1/fia-delays-publication-of-f1-cost-cap-breaches-review/
...don't want to spoil Max and Hondas party this weekend!
Just popped in to see if I'd missed an update.
Delayed until next week!!
There must be some legal wrangling going on. I thought it was pretty much sorted & ready to be announced.
However, the FIA has announced a timeline that indicates this will not take place until next Monday (October 10), stating “the analysis of financial submissions is a long and complex process that is ongoing”.
I thought this had been done already?
Karen must have gone nuclear.....?
Red bull will just threaten to pull the team if the fine and points deduction potentially leads to the loss of last year's title.
There must be some legal wrangling going on.
I'm must be so dyslexic! I read that as 'corrupt bullshit'
Red bull will just threaten to pull the team if the fine and points deduction potentially leads to the loss of last year’s title.
It's ok. I think Tizer are lining up for a spot with VW
Albon is just a nice person, quietly doing a good job:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/63142202
**** sake, in FP Mick crashed after the chequered flag and wrecked the chassis, and latifi went the wrong way then blamed it on the car "feeling strange" 😂
Also great pic of the vortices on danny rics car
I hate wet races now! They've been ruined by FIA and their damn safety concerns! 🙂
On a tangent - I saw this pic yesterday on The-Race website and it made me realise just how far ahead of other cars the MP4/4 was back in 1998. The Arrows next to it looks like something from a previous era.
I hate wet races now! They’ve been ruined by FIA and their damn safety concerns!
Practice at Bathurst, Australia.
I think it’s pretty nailed on that RB have done something wrong, we’ll see just how corrupt F1 is on Monday. I see Lewis is naming the CEO publically to “do the right thing” aka don’t make this a corruption issue.
I don’t put it past Karen Horner to have cheated at all, and IMHO if they were stuck off last years title and that was annulled it’d be just deserts.
I also wouldn’t be surprised that going through $145m of transactions is incredibly complex and could take extra time if there is work to be done between parties. Will see what comes out of the wash though
I think it’s pretty nailed on that RB have done something wrong
I saw some speculation that it's related to how costs are split between the powertrain side and the chassis side. This was always going to be a problem because an engine manufacturer doesn't have any cost-cap, so anything that can be paid for by the engine side is a gift to the chassis side. The other obvious issue is having a B-team or closely associated customer team that can run research that aids the senior team. Obviously, every team will have accountants and lawyers combing through the rules to try to find loopholes. I wouldn't be surprised if RB got a bit too creative about things, but best to wait till the report is released before making any judgement.
I see Lewis is whinging AGAIN in a desperate attempt to stay in the limelight after being completely overshadowed by his much younger and less experienced team mate all season.
FTFY.
Perhaps he could launched a new body piercing/accessory range. Base the name on his own, and referencing his current car. Could call it something like 'Lulu Lemon'. 🍋
You do realise that the media approach drivers for comment on various topics, and then publish selected parts of what they say, right? How do you expect Hamilton to reply to questions on this one? “I don’t care if teams are cheating, now piss off and stop asking me questions before someone on an Internet forum thinks I’m whinging”…? If Russell made a similar comment to Hamilton’s, would you be fine with that just because he’s ahead on points?
If Russell made a similar comment to Hamilton’s, would you be fine with that just because he’s ahead on points?
Yes. Because he's a better driver. 😀
No but seriously; Mercedes went whinging to the FIA earlier in the season, because they got their car design fundamentally wrong, and the rules were changed as a result. Mercedes are ALWAYS whinging.'Wah wah it's not fair their car is faster than ours!' RB and Max have smashed it out of the park this season. What a driver. His win in Hungary was the stuff of legends. This year, he could even win the DWC in the most dominant manner ever seen in F1. I'm just hoping RB can get Perez 2nd place, he deserves something for his team efforts.
Yes. Because he’s a better driver.
Did you just say Russell is a better driver than Hamilton?! Bold statement lol
Well, if you're judged by results, then yes, he is. Consistently out qualifying Hamilton, and has better race results. I expect Lulu's toys to be ejected from his pram at an increasing rate now.
When they realised this years car was shit, Lewis basically become a test driver this season - Russell has been the control, hence more consistent.
Yeah, you keep telling yourself that. 😉
When Russell is on his eight world title I might agree he's better - at the minute he can't overtake a Haas without running into it! 🙂
Not saying he's not good - but he's still has his very rookie moments.
This year, he could even win the DWC in the most dominant manner ever seen in F1.
I'm guessing you are too young to remember a guy called Michael Schumacher, 2001 and 2004 especially. Also, there used to be a guy called Adrian Newey who worked for Williams and produced the most dominant cars ever seen. Nigel Mansell cruised to the championship in 1992 driving a Newey designed car.
This year, he could even win the DWC in the most dominant manner ever seen in F1.
I'm guessing you are too young to remember a guy called Michael Schumacher, 2001 especially. Also, there used to be a guy called Adrian Newey who worked for Williams and produced the most dominant cars ever seen. Nigel Mansell cruised to the championship in 1992 driving a Newey designed car.
I’m guessing you are too young to remember a guy called Michael Schumacher, 2001 especially.
No, but I'm guessing you're thinking of the 2004 season in which he won 13 out of 18 races. Verstappen currently has 11 wins out of 17 races, with 5 races left. Another 3 wins will take him to 14, the most any driver has ever had, albeit with a longer season than previously. If he were to win all 5, then he'd have 16 wins in a season. Which would be incredible. I'm not sure if that's possible, but I do think he can win at least another 2 to match Schuey and Vettel. Would be god to see him break some records though.
Also, there used to be a guy called Adrian Newey
Ah, I wonder what happened to him? 🤔
I've been following F1 since the early 80s btw. 😉
When Russell is on his eight world title I might agree he’s better – at the minute he can’t overtake a Haas without running into it! 🙂
Think the poster is talking about right now, not overall, personally i think this moment in time is actually going to allow us to see if Hamilton is better than Schumacher, as Schumacher took a few years out of his career to move to Ferrari and work with them to get a competitive car, so i'm not even thinking of Hamilton this year, as he and Merc are in transition, Russell is just getting more out of what they have, is that down to different specs, approaches or hunger, who knows, we just need Merc to come back competitive and for Hamilton and Russell to work together with their team to get it right.
As for the budget caps and so on, again, F1 is just getting too complicated for its own good, be that in regulation, policy or governance, they just cause themselves more issues that make them look bad, or worse, like they're favouring teams.
Think the poster is talking about right now, not overall
Fair point, Russell has been driving like an animal this season, really impressive stuff. Hamilton has definitely seemed deflated this year, it's almost as if being robbed of a WDC by a bunch of dodgy goings on has left him feeling a bit demotivated and jaded about the sport
it’s almost as if being robbed of a WDC by a bunch of dodgy goings on has left him feeling a bit demotivated and jaded about the sport
Lol! Then he needs to dry his eyes and get on with being a professional racing driver, instead of whinging about how unfair it all is, then. 🤣
'Robbed'. Lol. He lost; get over it.
Take it you're no fan of Lewis!? 🤣🤔
FWIW I'm not a huge fan of Russell - despite his chummy demeanour there's an entitled arrogance to him. Comes across as a bit Rees-Mogg at times! 🙂
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Well, if you’re judged by results, then yes, he is. Consistently out qualifying Hamilton.....
Lewis has qualified ahead of George, 9 vs 8 so far this season.
How is that, 'consistently out qualifying Hamilton'? 🙂
EDIT - and while digging around to confirm that I thought it was the case, I came across this website which looks like it could keep stats fans entertained for a while.
https://www.formula1points.com/season/teammate-battles/2022
I was going to make the same comment about Hamilton's qualifying over Russell as well, some-one clearly not paying attention to actual results.
Russell has a rep for being a bit "Elbows out" in the lower formulas that got him in front of the stewards a few times (and the crash with Bottas that blotted his copy book) He's a very good driver fo'shure, otherwise he wouldn't be where he is; whether he's as good as Hamilton or Verstappen remains to be proved. I don't think so personally, I think he'll make a decent replacement for Bottas, or like Perez, good to have if your title contender and race winner is not in podium position.
Well judging by the last race, Russell has a way to go yet! I hope he gets there, and when the Merc is better I'm sure he'll be up there in the fight at the front.
I’ve been following F1 since the early 80s btw. 😉
But use petty name calling instead of a driver's name. Ok...
Then he needs to dry his eyes and get on with being a professional racing driver, instead of whinging about how unfair it all is, then
What's he said that you consider whinging about unfairness?
If he were to win all 5, then he’d have 16 wins in a season
Ascari won 75% of GPs in 1952, so Max winning all remaing races would not make him the most dominant driver in a season.
latifi went the wrong way then blamed it on the car “feeling strange”
Just watched the FP2 highlights thinking surely it can’t be as simple as that . . . wow
I’ve been following F1 since the early 80s btw. 😉
...just got into it then! 🙂
I’m guessing you’re thinking of the 2004 season in which he won 13 out of 18 races. Verstappen currently has 11 wins out of 17 races, with 5 races left.
13/18 = 72.2%
16/22 = 72.7%
If Verstappen wins every remaining race he will fractionally surpass Schumacher. He will need everything to go his way for that to happen.
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No but seriously; Mercedes went whinging to the FIA earlier in the season, because they got their car design fundamentally wrong, and the rules were changed as a result. Mercedes are ALWAYS whinging.’Wah wah it’s not fair their car is faster than ours!’ RB and Max have smashed it out of the park this season. What a driver. His win in Hungary was the stuff of legends. This year, he could even win the DWC in the most dominant manner ever seen in F1. I’m just hoping RB can get Perez 2nd place, he deserves something for his team efforts.
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Horner's far and away the biggest crybaby on the grid. It's highly suspicious that RB brought updates all through '21, turn up at testing with the most developed looking car, then bring updates all through the '22 season as well (even at the last race they had big updates) and there's still a new chassis to come as well.
And let's be honest, to anybody who follows the sport closely, the #1 on Max's car has a big asterisk next to it after what happened at Abu Dhabi last year, and this years stands to as well with this budget stuff hanging over it.
Which is a shame as Max has actually been driving a lot better this year (i.e. actually racing rather than running people off the track) and TBH has been a lot more likeable.
Regards George, he needs to learn to own up to mistakes and keep his mouth shut on the radio. Making himself look a bit of a plum TBH.
Well, if you’re judged by results, then yes, he is. Consistently out qualifying Hamilton, and has better race results. I expect Lulu’s toys to be ejected from his pram at an increasing rate now
Name calling like Lulu or Crash stappen says more about the poster than the driver.
Name calling like Lulu or Crash stappen or Karen says more about the poster than the driver etc.
Name calling like Lulu or Crash stappen or Karen says more about the poster than the driver etc.
Fair.
It's the kind of crap I see when I'm stupid enough to look at the comments section in lots of F1 stuff these days.
Stop feeding the troll.
Multi 21 has it most balanced. I don’t like to admit it but yes, verstappen looks to be more settled and a class act this year. The question is, how much of that is due to a massively dominant car, and how much of that is due to developing over the budget cap?
Name calling like Lulu or Crash stappen says more about the poster than the driver.
"Britney's in the wall."
Is that one ok?
Yeah - that’s fine!! 🤣🤣
The question is, how much of that is due to a massively dominant car, and how much of that is due to developing over the budget cap?
Or him maturing as a driver? (Not as a person, obvs 😂)
Or him maturing as a driver?
As anyone can see, there are more “mature” drivers that can’t get near him. It’s in some small percentage the car.
He's definitely matured.
Last year I thought he looked a bit desperate, like it might be his only chance to get a WDC and he would push right to, and sometimes beyond,what was acceptable to get it. And as someone said above there is a whopping g great asterisk next to that title because of AD.
I don't like him, but I have to conceed that he has driven much better this year, much more maturely and does actually deserve this title.
He’s definitely matured.
Last year I thought he looked a bit desperate, like it might be his only chance to get a WDC and he would push right to, and sometimes beyond,what was acceptable to get it. And as someone said above there is a whopping g great asterisk next to that title because of AD.
I don’t like him, but I have to conceed that he has driven much better this year, much more maturely and does actually deserve this title.
Whilst I agree with most of the above, I also think there may be another huge asterisk against MVs 2022 WDC and Red Bull's 2022 WCC due to the (alleged) budget cap infractions.
I've been following F1 since James Hunt won ('76) and even the Schumacher/Ferrari glory years didn't have the whiff that this year's RB domination has...
While there may be budget over-spends, I think everyone needs to also remember that Red Bull's chief design engineer; Adrian Newey is no slouch, and the regulations that have produced these new cars favour the sorts of designs (high rake) that RB have years of experience with, and - for example, Mercedes have not, and the W-13's design (as they've admitted) is very much "all or nothing" and has been found not to do well in the real world vs simulation. Ferrari's car is clearly the equal of RB's and if it wasn't for some questionable tactical decisions should be much closer than they are in both Championships. In many ways their rivals have done as much to give RB the lead they have rather than accusations of fishy updates.
Max is clearly an amazing driver, and I have no asterix next to his name for the title last year, he - as a driver had nothing to do with Masi's decisions, and just took full advantage of the opportunity offered to him, the same thing that Hamilton or any other driver should and and would have done. He's going to be the driver to beat for years to come, and I think with he right car, could easily win multiple championships.
A quick summary for people to correct or discount:
Mercedes gambled the farm on a design that worked well in simulation but the simulations failed to show the real world effect of chaotic air running close to the ground causing breaks in the flow and porpoising. As their design was so dependent on the airflow with most other contingencies designed out they have really suffered. Russel has been driving really well with what he has got. Hamilton has been driving, possibly more extreme variations and options, less consistently in terms of results and his frustrations sometimes shows.
Ferrari have a truly competitive car for the first time in a while and should be challenging / leading one or both championships however their strategy when presented with an open goal is to play rugby instead.
Red Bull created a lot of hate over recent years, especially last year, which hid some of their great work. It doesn't help that they were headed by Horner who, if locked in a room on his own would irritate the paint off the walls, and had Max driving and behaving like a spoilt brat at his own birthday go cart meeting. This year Max is driving and behaving a lot better and the car is really working.
The question over budget cap looms large though. Without the facts we are relying on paddock rumour which is as reliable as the internet normally but assuming there is some truth in the numbers being bandied about it would appear that 'someone' spent the equivalent of and EXTRA YEAR OF DEVELOPMENT more than they were meant to. I think given an extra year of development time that:
a) Mercedes would have fixed their issue, or replaced the design
b) Ferrari would have worked out some way not to sabotage their own strategies
c) Red Bull would be significantly faster and more developed than the others
The question is, did the budget overspend cause outcome a, b or c?
I’ve been following F1 since James Hunt won (’76) and even the Schumacher/Ferrari glory years didn’t have the whiff that this year’s RB domination has…
• Lotus ground effect period?
• Williams active suspension season?
• McLaren MP4/4 season?
• Brawn Double Diffuser years?
• Red Bull Blown Diffuser years?
• The Mercedes Hybrid years? They didn't run away and hide like back in the day as engines and gearboxes have to last now. If they didn't they'd have turned them up to 11 and they'd have romped home.
Generally one team is dominant after major reg changes.
‘someone’ spent the equivalent of and EXTRA YEAR OF DEVELOPMENT more than they were meant to. I think given an extra year of development time that:
I haven't seen numbers like that being thrown around? If a team had done that it's got to be expulsion from both championships.
Cor, good save from Norris, that was close. Will it be a penalty for Max?
The latest rumoured number I've seen is well under 5% which makes it a "minor" breach according to the rules, I think. Can't remember which F1 rumour site I saw it on now...
Let’s be honest all the top teams should have been accounting for minor overspends! 😀
You don’t leave an open goal for them not to have a shot at it.
Least surprising news this year.
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