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Just caught up with things. Good to see Merc back in the mix, at this rate Ferrari will finish as 3rd best team.
Sainz - just got to up his game. Doing a really poor job in a race winning car.
I'm beginning to wonder whether Daniel Ricciardo will still be in that McLaren at the end of the year.
Normally watch on sky F1 but was out all day just watched the CH4 effort, its was appalling.
Did love the Top Gun piece at the start though - it was pointless messing about, but made me laugh. The race was better on the radio live though!
Red Bull bending rules to breaking point with their driver communication
In what way?
Great race, loved that. Would have liked to see Leclerc win tho
Great to see Hamilton getting his mojo back, and Russell is just on fire right now
Interesting that the Fort William drone footage really made the Barcelona one look crap
Red Bull bending rules to breaking point with their driver communication
In what way?
Teams are only allowed so many messages to the stewards directly, Red Bull were using TV coverage to exceed this figure, as mentioned by the BBC.
Can't see anything in the FIA regs covering teams comms to the race director 🤔 Some articles have said teams are not allowed to talk to the director, others have said they are no longer broadcast on TV, so not sure what they've changed.
2022_formula_1_sporting_regulations_-_iss_1_-_2020-05-27_0.pdf (fia.com)
Interesting that the Fort William drone footage really made the Barcelona one look crap
Probably quite a lot harder to follow something that’s always at speeds in excess of 100mph. A lot more vibration too.
Also, I’d be wondering if they’ve had to use a fixed wing drone to get the speed and endurance required for the footage.
Brilliant race, loved it!
Bet Perez was fuming after being made to move over. And unlucky for Hamilton, that was a great recovery drive. Absolutely superb work from George, really smart racing.
Interesting that the Fort William drone footage really made the Barcelona one look crap
It really was crap.
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Probably quite a lot harder to follow something that’s always at speeds in excess of 100mph. A lot more vibration too.
Either do it right or don't do it at all. Struck me as a little pathetic, one of the richest sports in the world going "look, look, we have a drone!" when it added nothing and looked shit
c4 Highlights were abysmal , great drive by Checo hard to know if max would have caught him anyway, hard luck on Leclerc , great Result for Red Bull
“look, look, we have a drone!” when it added nothing and looked shit
Especially when they cut straight from the drone footage to the helicopter footage!!
c4 Highlights were abysmal
I no longer need to watch the CH4 shows now (don't ask!) .... sounds like I made the right decision to change!
Perez having to suck it up for the team at this stage of the season is as bad as Ferrari were with Schumacher. I don't mind team orders to close out a title but sometimes just let them race.
LeClerc had that in his pocket though, so I wouldn't write him off just yet.
Perez having to suck it up for the team at this stage of the season is as bad as Ferrari were with Schumacher. I don’t mind team orders to close out a title but sometimes just let them race.
As much as we'd like to see them race - there's only one reason Checo was bought in and that was to make sure he was consistently up front to disrupt other teams strategies and not hovering round in 6th and 7th like previous occupants of that 2nd seat.
The one thing he has got going for him though is Gasly isn't really setting things on fire this season and isn't even seeing-off Tsunodo, so Checo's Red Bull seat should be safe for another season.
Perez having to suck it up for the team at this stage of the season is as bad as Ferrari were with Schumacher.
I agree. At least wait until the mid point of the season!
Thoughts on Karen asking for an increase in the budget cap... apparently due to inflation:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/61551759
My initial reaction is to let those 7 teams miss the final races.
My initial reaction is to let those 7 teams miss the final races.
I took this to mean they've been massively overspending, as per them bringing an upgrade to pretty much every race so far. Ferrari Team Principle Binotto was wondering how they were able to spend that much and stay within the budget cap, I guess now we have the answer
Set a budget cap and allow teams to overspend but they forfeit a race for every £Xmill spent.
Budget cap £10,000,000 (or whatever) spend £10,000,001 and you miss a race of your choice in what is left of the season.
If found to be cheating the books then it instant forfeit of all points and a seasons suspension.
My initial reaction is to let those 7 teams miss the final races.
Yep. Or maybe let teams borrow 10 million from the following year's budget to cover unexpected costs (accident damage, for example), but not routine costs. This way you won't have a championship decided by one team not being able to afford to repair damaged cars, but you won't have constant campaigning to increase the cap.
Be interesting to see if there are anymore upgrades on the RB. I liked the Alpine chaps response,"If we could factor in inflation, everyone else could"
Could be an interesting twist to the season, RB putting all their eggs into upgrading the car early in the season, hitting the budget wall, then seeing the rest of the field trickle through their upgrades and RB going down the field.
My initial reaction is to let those 7 teams miss the final races.
I'm not sure they can miss races. IIRC they have to turn up to all of them (or maybe all except 1) or risk losing their membership of the series. Possibly they can miss more with force majeure though.
This is just hazy memories though, I can't find confirmation.
Could be an interesting twist to the season, RB putting all their eggs into upgrading the car early in the season, hitting the budget wall, then seeing the rest of the field trickle through their upgrades and RB going down the field.
It would be great if the Haas strategy of just running the launch car until they have figured out how to maximize its performance before trying upgrades turns out to be the optimum.
It would be great if the Haas strategy of just running the launch car until they have figured out how to maximize its performance before trying upgrades turns out to be the optimum.
The problem is that simulations don't/can't simulate everything (as Merc found out) so real-life testing with actual parts is ultimately required to make progress.
RB speech will be to spend so the budget early in the year and then moan and whine at everyone until the rules are changed or not applied to suit them. It worked last year
It's not just RB wanting the cap raised. All the richer teams want it. The smaller teams were unlikely to hit the cap previously so they're less keen on exacerbating the gap between rich and poor.
Maybe there could be a sort of "tax". For every £1 spent above the current cap, another £1 is paid into a fund to subsidise the smaller teams.
How much does a tiny violin cost these days? 🙂
Anyone else thrown by no F1 today at Monaco?
I was looking forward to FP1 and only just noticed Monaco no longer has Fridays off! 🙂
I did the same - looked for the practice on the radio, but nope tomorrow it is!
Really? Blimey, that is a change, maybe Liberty are flexing their muscles a bit.
Anyone else thrown by no F1 today at Monaco?
I was looking forward to FP1 and only just noticed Monaco no longer has Fridays off!
Yep, went to check the practice times and then remembered that they changed it.
Bernie not aware that he had a gun in his luggage.
Bernie Ecclestone: Former F1 CEO arrested in Brazil for illegally carrying a gun
Was he coming back from a work event at No 10?
Boris says he wasn’t aware Bernie was there.
Typical modern attitude......I can do whatever I want and always deny/lie my way out of it.
He should have taken up politics - he would have fitted right in.
Danny Ric is going to be looking for a new job next year at this rate. Beaten by a poorly team mate last week and put it into the wall today.
So the Merc is bouncing like a pogo stick again. “We’ve fix porpoising for good” aged well
Danny Ric is going to be looking for a new job next year at this rate. Beaten by a poorly team mate last week and put it into the wall today.
Yep. It's a weird paradox that he seems so anxious and dependent on his own confidence considering how light-hearted he is (seems?) out of the car. He'll be a great loss to the sport if that happens.
Yeah seems like a nice guy and has produced some great racing moves in the past. Will be a shame to see him go but he’s really not been performing well for some time now.
Who do we think might replace Danny Ric if he does leave?
And do you think any other team would take him?
I saw a photo of this years cars compared with cars of the 60’s and a couple of years ago, wow they are huge, how they will fit around Monaco is going to be interesting, usually this Gp is won in qualifying. Always great to them going through the tunnel and past the swimming pool.
Mr Monaco
Looking at that phot the track is also a lot narrower due to, you know, something to stop the cars going either into a solid stone face or, you know, the harbour...
Well yes there was more than one car in the harbour back in those days. The first Monaco GP I recall seeing on the telly featured Lorenzo Bandini's horrific fatal accident when he hit a wall. There are certain aspects of F1 from those days I don't miss.
There's a lot of noise around Ricciardo and McLaren right now re their three year contract. It's a shame to see someone of the calibre of Ricciardo potentially being being let go, but would Pato O'Ward be a shoe-in for the seat or would McLaren opt for another ambitious hotshoe like Gasly?
Re Bandini - the whole unnecessary additional tragedy in the aftermath of his accident sums up all that was morally reprehensible about the sport at that point. There's accounts of teams interpreting the rules to extremes - one year the rules stipulated a wall between the engine and the cockpit, but the text was very vague. The intention was to mandate a firewall between the engine and driver, so most F1 teams of the day did just that and fabricated heavy steel plates. One team turned up with a piece of cardboard cut to fit and that was sufficient to satisfy the interpretation of the rules.
Regarding the cardboard firewall, I remember hearing stories of pro-roadies using undersized helmets with the inside dremeled out to save weight. It's the same in any competitive endeavour, people are so driven to win that they will seize any advantage regardless of the risk.
@pjm1974 I think Pat O'Ward was confirmed this week for Arrow Mclaren Sp Indycar for the next couple of years. That is either a good thing for DR or a bad thing if there is a clause that allows Pat O'Ward to transfer to F1
Karen is really pushing this budget cap drama!… 🤣🤣🤣
And Pat O’Ward - not sure about him yet. They seem more set on Colton Herta.
And a sensible approach - the cap was intended to level teams up, not be flexible so we’ll funded teams can stretch it when it doesn’t suit them…
I despise Horner, he's a stain on F1. If that were to happen with Max benefiting it'd be the second time RB rely on legal intepretations superceded by a twinge fest to win a championship.
Do we think this will be the last time F1 is at Monaco?…
https://the-race.com/formula-1/could-this-really-be-f1s-last-monaco-grand-prix/
There seems to be lots of power-play politics going on behind the scenes at the minute. Even one article I read suggesting Liberty are looking to break away from the FIA! FIA wanting more money, Liberty questioning their value to the sport.
So they get to repair their cars and keep their grid slots?
Do we think this will be the last time F1 is at Monaco?
Let's hope so.
Do we think this will be the last time F1 is at Monaco?
Let’s hope so.
Yep. It would be great to just have it a faux-historical race with replica 25 year old Ferraris and McLarens or something driven by ex-F1 stars fighting for a prize that goes to charity, but it's a joke as a real race.
There’s a chainbear youtube video which looks at some options to improve Monaco - some sensible some crazy. Worth watching to see that there are options to make it better.
Yep. It would be great to just have it a faux-historical race with replica 25 year old Ferraris and McLarens or something driven by ex-F1 stars fighting for a prize that goes to charity, but it’s a joke as a real race.
Agree, the Monaco festival of speed of similar. It’s a toss up for me whether to watch the GP with a few beers this afternoon or mow the lawn, the choice likely dictated by the fact that mowing the lawn slightly pissed is more fun than otherwise.
One team turned up with a piece of cardboard cut to fit and that was sufficient to satisfy the interpretation of the rules.
That was Lotus under Chapman, using paper sprayed in aluminium paint - I don't THINK it passed, but it gives you an indication of where his priorities lay. He was an outlier in that respect, or just more imaginative, maybe. Crazy times, but attitudes were different then - it hadn't been that long before that many involved in the sport were involved in WW2. Lots of inertia against safety moves - Ascari's Monaco harbour plunge was seen as a strong argument against mandating safety belts, but the horror of Bandini's crash at the same place was at least a driver in setting limits to race duration.
Gonna be a very wet start then 😁
This is boring already. Just start the race FFS.
Errr - WTF is going on!?
Health and safety gone mad! 🤣🤣🤣
Monaco have bottled it. They see an almighty pile up leading to no contract renewal and are trying to mitigate.
I'd be very sad if Monaco left the calendar. I know it's a procession but I love all the history and nostalgia
Rain! It's gonna be a roll of the dice! 🎲 🎲
My reckoning - they'll do a dozen laps behind the SC, then abandon the race.
Edit. Not even a dozen laps.
Yawn! Get on with it. 😴😴
Monaco have bottled it. They see an almighty pile up leading to no contract renewal and are trying to mitigate.
Alternative now is that Monaco gets a rolling start, a race that lasts 30 minutes and thousands of disappointed punters.
Once again the organisers of F1 cannot deal with weather.
Indy 500 should be good later today! 😀😀
What are we waiting for exactly? Either these cars can cope with this, or we all go home.
Pathetic
Pathetic indeed.
Brundle should be made race director!! 😀
A procession behind the safety car like we saw at Spa last year would be a disaster for Monaco's prospects for hosting future Grand Prix.
As opposed to a procession behind a Ferrari when the rain stops ;-). I’d make the race on 20” bicycle wheels to help with overtaking!
A new F1 farce.
I can see why Liberty are falling out of love with the FIA.
A procession behind the safety car like we saw at Spa last year would be a disaster for Monaco’s prospects for hosting future Grand Prix.
Do Monaco actually [b] want [/b] the GP? Is it that they /the FIA want it but Liberty Media aren't quite as keen on the idea based on it being little more than a procession or is it that they're trying to get out of hosting it and Liberty Media want them to stay?
It really is a joke. As brundle just said why is the safety car not out there doing a reccy? Gonna finish me dinner and do some gardening I think. Shite
Brundle should be made race director!! 😀
Gets my vote!
Ten minute signal is happening.
FWIW I'm really not a fan of the current generation of massively long, bloated F1 cars, especially at a circuit like Monaco.
So when it does get started what odds can we get on Latifi binning it within a lap! 🤣🤣