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Senna?
Senna's career was hampered somewhat.
He'd have won in the Williams. Probably more than once.
Senna was hampered by a wayward Williams in '94 as they struggled to go back to a mechanical setup after having invested heavily in the active programme. Senna actually was getting the car to do things well beyond it's capabilities for the few races he drove it.
Except in a team run by Flav?..
No comment.
Senna was hampered by a wayward Williams in '94 as they struggled to go back to a mechanical setup
Yet Hill still managed to get within a whisker of the title.
Senna would have romped away with it. He would have made a lot more fuss about the Benneton cheating too.
Mercedes could bring Sutil back to F1 and get these two lovebirds back together.
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A great driver wins titles in more than one Marque.
That eliminates Sebestian Vettel, Alberto Ascari, Jim Clark, Mika Hakkinen, as well as Senna and Alonso. Plus, of course, anyone who only won a single championship, such as Hunt, Mansell, Button, either of the Rosbergs, etc.
Jim Clark- you could say he would have won more, maybe the team just worked for him. However his results post 2nd win? Senna? Who knows? Death robbed him of that title with Williams. Was he pushing too hard?
Being a gifted drivers, one of the greats however the best for me win in more that one Marque, luck/getting into and developing the best car for that season- doing that in a new alien team again? = the greatest for me.
I grundgingly put Schumacher up there with Prost (see his list of 2nds etc?). If Lewis goes into another team and wins titles with three constructors I'd call him the greatest of them all.
Jim Clark- you could say he would have won more
You can imagine anything you like, but it didn't happen. If things went just slightly differently, Alonso would be a four time champion with three different teams. That didn't happen though so there's no point speculating about it.
That didn't happen though so there's no point speculating about it.
Quite. If you were to get into that sort of game then Hamilton could be a five times world champ, instead of three, because it was so close in 2007 and 2016. Or conversely he's only a two time world champ, because Massa got it for longer than 39 seconds in 2008. But none of those things happened, and it's the same margin of luck for everyone.
Yet Hill still managed to get within a whisker of the title.
They had a new suspension design that sorted out the foibles of the original one by Barcelona, car was first class after that 😀
Agreed Senna would have A: won and B: put Benneton's cheating into touch.
There's a joke doing the rounds about Wolff's new driver academy being run by his wife, you can make the rest up yourselves as I don't want to risk a ban 😆 😳 😈
Jim Clark- you could say he would have won more, maybe the team just worked for him. However his results post 2nd win?
Seriously? Lotus were gash in '66, and he got third in '67 even retiring from 5 out of the eleven races (and he had a reputation as being very gentle on cars - his team mate retired eight times that year). He won the maximum possible championship points in a season twice and lead 71.47% of the laps in 1963, and he also holds the record for most Grand Slams, taking pole, fastest lap, race win and leading every lap of the race in 8 races. He won 25 races (from 72 starts, all in fragile Lotusi!), a record that wasn't beaten for almost twenty years when drivers had five more races per season, and only two drivers have a better starts-to-win percentage. Hard to imagine a driver who died at 32 winning MUCH more...
I agree, Jim Clark for me is untouchable as one of the true greats.
I'm no Hamilton fan but the scribblers really like do make the most of every word and add the pictures to accentuate, regardless of what might have actually been said ...... of course they might be entirely accurate?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38287284
I used to be a big fan of Hamilton, I'm still in awe of his speed when he's in form. Problem is that he behaves childishly and says silly things, and doesn't seem grateful to MB for providing a nearly unbeatable car. He seemed to just lose interest at the start of the year and let Rosberg get a big points lead, but then seemed to spend all his energy blaming other people instead of focusing on doing his job. Once he did start focusing, he was back to being awesome, but it was too late. Yes, he had engine problems, but that doesn't explain his slump at the start of the year. Of course the press play up every word he says, but he does seem to provide them with plenty of ammunition.
watching with interest 🙂
Bottas/ Massa now being reported by the BBC
Some interesting insight into Ron's unseemly departure from F1, and stuff -
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/f1/roebuck-and-brundles-christmas-lunch
I could read Roebuck all day and all night and all next day. 😀
I guess the deal is done other than Merc's personal terms with Bottas otherwise they'd have been loath to get rid of Pat Symonds. Probably Williams have done the deal for Paddy Lowe and cheaper engines and then Mercedes have to make Bottas (and Lewis) happy.
That Nigel Roebuck article is indeed excellent! 🙂
[url= http://www.grandprix247.com/2016/12/21/ron-dennis-in-the-frame-to-takeover-at-manor/ ]Is Ron coming back?[/url]
Is Ron coming back?
Probably just clickbait. I have a lot of respect for what Ron achieved, but I think it's time for him to move on. Reminds me of Tom Walkinshaw. His accomplishments were impressive, but he was such an utter prick that nobody wanted to do business with him and he ended up destroying everything that he'd built.
Wehrlein to Sauber...
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/sauber-agrees-wehrlein-deal-for-f1-2017-862405/
...and Bottas visited Mercedes factory before Xmas.
Is Bottas the new Heikki Kovalainen?
Is Bottas the new Heikki Kovalainen?
We should be able to work that out well before mid-season! 😀
Manor on the verge of going under, and others in serious trouble if recent rumours are true...
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/manor-s-formula-1-future-in-doubt-863375/
Ron Dennis is supposed to [url= https://motorsport.clickon.co/2016/12/22/ron-dennis-considering-bid-buy-manor-racing/ ]save them[/url] once he's done with [url= http://www.****/news/article-4090144/I-ve-paid-money-David-Beckham-furious-bust-former-F1-boss-Ron-Dennis-New-Year-s-Eve-party-seating-plan-rude-money-jibe.html ]putting David Beckham in his place.[/url]
Manor on the verge of going under, and others in serious trouble if recent rumours are true...
Who are the others? Sauber and FI?
Manor now in administration.
I hope there are some vultures circulating that can pick them up at a bargain price and keep them going. Ron Dennis has been mentioned in recent weeks.
Is that just the F1 outfit or sports cars too? Ill go and googleManor now in administration.
Pretty sure they're not connected to the sports car team.
I would imagine the cost of producing a totally new car has done for them.
Found this too, another advantage of Brexit;
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12040/10719351/silverstone-considering-terminating-british-gp-contract
Interesting they state the 2016 (?) event fell short of budget
Pretty sure they're not connected to the sports car team.
Yup, thankfully the LMP2 set-up is a separate company run by the old bosses.
Sauber must be looking on pretty shaky ground - Poor results, minimal sponsorship, cost of developing a new car. I reckon at least 1 more team to suffer before the season starts.
The Silverstone issue is a tricky one - The BRDC knew what it was signing up to, and they knew how much the price was going to increase each year. Also there is no way any other UK track would be able to host F1, so Bernie is blatentley just stiring the pot again.
Sauber must be looking on pretty shaky ground
They have the prize money at least - circa 10M quid
Wonder what the people at Liberty are doing about those two things - neither are great PR for their recent investment. Their hands are tied in the short term due to all of BE's agreements but they can probably offer something favourable to any Manor saviour.
There was a load of tittle-tattle about Ferrari reviving the Alfa Romeo brand in F1, so this must be a perfect opportunity for that. THough they'd need to do a Brawn and shoehorn the Ferrari PU into a car designed around the Merc, which would be some feat in 2 months.
Silverstone are probably just kicking up a noise to open their negotiations one the deal with Liberty is completed.
Anyone remember the days of pre-qualifying? And that was when there were 26 spots on the grid too. Yeah some of the teams were proper shonky but that's surely better than the prospect of Ferrari, Merc etc running 3 cars each?
Looks like all the people who said that getting rid of the token system would enable Honda to completely redesign their engine architecture (presumably along the lines of something a bit more Mercedes shaped) were right:
http://www.pitpass.com/58124/Change-of-layout-for-Honda
maybe a different road to the size zero concept too. F1 2016 had a few battles and not having the scrap at the bottom will diminish the show. I'm a fan of manor and hope they stay and acore more points.
At least they didnt appoint the 2 bit shonky administrators that did Lotus ( look what happened to them!)
Mercedes boss Toto Wolff says that Lewis Hamilton's retirement at the Malaysian Grand Prix cost the Briton the title.
No sh*t Sherlock! It's getting worse than soccerball! 😀
bearing failure = much sadness
So Mercedes is going to have a go at being without a technical director for six months:
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38489054 ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38489054[/url] Bottas to partner Hamilton.
Well I'm looking forward to that.
It's a career defining chance for BOTTAS. Despite obviously being quick he's not been consistently good at delivering race results with Williams. If he can keep Hamilton on his toes then he's proven himself, if he does a Luca Badoer then he'll be back in midfield teams (or worse) for the rest of his career.
Pulling a Heikki Kovalainen. I hope not. I'd like to see him get in the mix and stir things up.
He has previous with kimi so hopefully they'll share some tarmac again this year.
1 year to prove he's top drawer - no pressure then! 😀
Williams have bottled it with Massa though. Can't see who benefits from that arrangement.
We'll Massa didn't want to leave Williams, and Martini want at least one grown up driver, so that's two for starters.
Hope Bottas does well, definitely a good fit for Merc. He may not be outstanding but he'll be a good pair of hands to hoover up points and pick up the pieces if Hamilton bins it at the very least. If he manages to beat Hamilton at a race in a straight fight then his stock will rise.
Williams had no other real options, Martini insisting on a 25+ driver and everyone else already in seats forced their hand. If they can use the extra money from the deal to really develop the '17 car and put some effort into the '18 one too they can drag themselves out of their current rut. This should help them attract a driver to replace Massa next year too. If they have to stick with Massa in '18 then they've missed an opportunity IMO.
Bernie gone!
Ron gone!
...time for Flavio to re-appear! 😀
probably
Allegedly !
Ross Braun to take part of the CEO role, to be shared between a total of 3 people.
About time! Bye bye Bernie 😀
End of an era! Interesting times ahead...
BExit at last! Brawn has got a tough job - he's what the fans have been asking for and hopefully he can talk some sense into the team bosses and get rules made for the benefit of the racing rather than protecting their own little fiefdoms. I guess one first step would be to take a good look at the stewarding arrangements and their decision making processes, do some simple things like have a permanent board of stewards who enforce track limits consistently and stop dishing out more penalties than points during the weekend.
Now we just need to hope they're looking at a sensible streaming package, maybe $100/year for all sessions on demand. I'd buy that in a flash, but am not parting with a penny for Sky.
Now we just need to hope they're looking at a sensible streaming package, maybe $100/year for all sessions on demand. I'd buy that in a flash, but am not parting with a penny for Sky.
Screw that, bring it back to free to air!
Screw that, bring it back to free to air!
More chance that Netflix will pick up F1. They have a desire to get into sports coverage.
The problem with free to air is that it costs host broadcasters millions to send their own presenting team. And if Liberty increase the niumber of races to 24 there are likely to be less takers.
I guess it depends if Liberty want the maximum number of viewers or the maximum revenue (a la Bernie). I live in hope - not a lot of hope, but a little bit.
Sadly free to air is history for most things.
it costs host broadcasters millions to send their own presenting team
I don't know why they bother. Just the pictures will be fine and I can put R5 on if I need someone to talk over it.
Do remember the good old days when the racing was longer than the chatting?
Sadly free to air is history for most things.
the model is becoming broken in [url= http://www.football365.com/news/sky-sports-viewing-figures-down-by-19-per-cent ]football[/url], Competition rules in the broadcast rights just mean consumers paying more to follow their team. Can see them doing the same in F1, getting races split across 2 different ppv broadcasters will cost twice as much for the avid f1 fan.
Bernie was always anti-internet due to his extreme old age.
A more savvy management will maximise distribution for every platform it can. Netflix may be a fair bet; and it would annoy Sky a great deal.
Well if it disappears from Freeview I suppose I get several hours a month back to do something else.
Usual Santander cock-up!...
http://www.grandprix247.com/2017/01/27/ferrari-sponsor-apologises-for-revealing-car-name/
It really is the end of the road for Manor now...
http://www.racetechmag.com/2017/01/manor-racing-fails-find-buyer/
Not surprising. That was a hard business case to throw money at.
Now we just need to hope they're looking at a sensible streaming package, maybe $100/year for all sessions on demand. I'd buy that in a flash, but am not parting with a penny for Sky.
This is how I watch MotoGP, although good luck with getting anything similar in F1 for $100/yr. MotoGP is 200EUR, and F1 is bound to view itself as a more "valuable brand".
Damn shame for everyone left at the factory, and their suppliers. Just hope LM's grand plans can deliver an environment where small teams can establish themselves and have a chance of upsetting the status quo.
Manor are the last of the 'new' teams that arrived for 2010 - they've had 6 years to get results. Does that mean Sauber are now effectively the youngest F1 team tracing them back to the early 90s?
Wouldn't Haas claim that?
Doh - totally forgot the Ferrari B team 😳 , was working back through the previous guises of all the others. RBR may be older than Sauber though, as I think Stewart set himself up from scratch (with help from Ford) rather than buying another team.
Manor may not be dead yet!...
http://www.grandprix247.com/2017/02/02/finger-lickin-good-glimmer-of-hope-for-manor/
Manor may not be dead, but it's the end for the MP4 designation of McLarens - [url= http://www.crash.net/f1/news/240108/1/mclaren-tips-cap-to-new-era-with-car-name-change.html ]new car to be MCL32[/url]
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38891645 ]mclaren got rid of their boss[/url], great start to the season.
That's been on the cards since Ron was ousted - he's Ron's appointment not the direction of the new management.
I thought Jost was effectively out the door as soon as Zak Brown got the job. They've got a lot of Ronisms to work their way through and decide how the team is going to run this year - thats not going to help them achieve consistency for a while.
Anyway - only two weeks before the first of the new cars breaks cover!
Mclaren's major management changes is going to make it very difficult for them to excel when this was the perfect time - if Honda's latest engine incarnation is any good - shame as i'd love to see Alonso back in the mix
Ferrari is well on the way to another implosion with the loss of Allison and big expectations - so expecting Arrivabene to be leaving soon
Red Bull should be back on fire and fully expect Mercedes to still be at the sharp end
Any predictions on some wild cards?? 🙂
Force india should carry on up the ladder as they havent changed too much. I personally hope williams get a move on with the Lowe appointment.
There are a lot of similarities with Mclaren and Liberty media's plight at the moment. With both hiring and firing left right and centre. Is Honda's position as engine supplier certain past this year. Assuming Ron's idea of trying to win as a works team goes with him, are they going to run as a mid field F1 team with whoever provides them with a cheapo engine.
Haas now have a decent driver lineup and another years worth of data so should have a decent go although I think the teams with most experience should navigate around the rules the best. ( Merc, RBR, Ferrari, Mclaren, FI, WIlliams, STR, HAAS, Renault, Sauber .... KFC Manor)
Is there a reason to believe that Renault will have caught Mercedes (engines that is) this season? Sadly I feel a Hamilton winning bore-fest might be on the cards