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I think LH and Alonso could work better than people think.
They both respect each other a lot, and provided merc satisfy both were treated equally (ok maybe easier said than done) then they should just slog it out. Would be great to see FA back in a car his talent deserves.
I think a lot of FA's beef with LH in 2007 was to do with Ron, who we now is.....sometimes difficult.
[quote=cheekymonkey888 ]Pass the tin foil hat please .. its only the Hamilton fanbois that keep going on that Hamilton should have won the championship.
You what? So all the team managers are Hamilton fanbois? Anybody who isn't blind can see clearly that Hamilton would only have required an engine to get him to the end of the Malaysian GP to be champion.
PS I'm a Button fan
Alonso has got to be thinking "I didn't make the best move when I kicked off at McLaren" too.
I think LH and Alonso could work better than people think.
yep, I agree, they've both admitted that the events of '07 weren't their finest moments.
2017 F1 car mock-ups - they look like an elephant has sat on them - but in a good way!...
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I wasn't sure whether to apply until I got to the end, but the subsidised restaurant has convinced me.
Anyway, what are we making of Toto suggesting they're going to make a "brave decision"? http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12472/10686368/mercedes-ready-to-make-brave-decision-on-nico-rosbergs-replacement-says-toto-wolff
Sounds awfully like Alonso to me...
Even if the relationship between them is better now, If I was Alonso I still wouldn't go to Mercedes. It's Hamilton's team, the car's been developed around him, and Alonso knows full well how Hamilton can and will seek to control that, he'll spend a year being the team's second driver as he catches up, and then the next few in physiological warfare with Lewis. The engine regs change for this season, and amongst all the Rosberg/Hamilton media scrum, in the race, almost unnoticed, the fastest car?
McLaren.
Brave decision - start backing Lewis?
I hope Lewis quits. Self respect.
"Brave decision"? Maybe Niki's going to make a third comeback.
It's Pastor...
I'd be amazed (and happy) if they don't pick Werlein. Wolff allegedly dropped a big hint yesterday that it would be Werlein not Bottas.
Brave decision is Werhlein / Alonso. If Alonso did leave McLaren who would fill the second seat of Button didn't want the drive? Would Werhlein / Bottas take a 1 year deal in the similar vein to Magnussen in the Renault contract talks? I guess yes but you would always be looking over your shoulder as Vettel / Alonso contracts would be up in 2018
Have you done the BBC Poll - her are mine...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38084694
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It won't be Alonso.
He's not the future for Mercedes - too old now.
Brave decision? .......... Well, If Rossi is up for it, the PR would be hoooooge! ......... then again it'd most likely be another Ducati story!
I'm going with Mick Schumacher going into the works F1 team not the juniors.
A bold but risky follow of Max
Better off with Werhlein , at least he has driven an F1 car. I 'm not sure Mick has a super license to race F1 as they changed the rules such that no one can follow in the footsteps of Max. The requirements of being a a champion in one of the lower recognised series and also scoring points and having some F1 mileage. Not all three but you get the gist
no one can follow in the footsteps of Max
Mercedes clout, Schumacher name ...... I'm reckon if the right people wanted it to happen, it would.
It could happen. New owners of F1, potential increase in audience interest. Go to the FIA with a case for a super licence.
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I didn't even know that Mick Schumacher was evebn a contender! 🙂
Well I put 2+2 together then threw caution to the wind. I'm going with Mick.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38282791
So it sounds like if Merc up the offer it'll be Bottas. Would be interesting to see if he really is as good as people say...always seems a bit meh to me
^thats a BBC news story so I'd disregard a online BBC news piece
James Allen has been touting this option too
BBC usually get it right.. expect Lowe and Werlein to Williams, Allison and Bottas to Merc. Williams waiting for the second offer. Expect the news story to appear on the Sky f1 site in a couple of hours.
Daily star reporting Mick to join the Merc Jnrs cant see any other reports of him in the frame for the F1 seat, highly unlikely I reckon unless the answer is 4
Doesn't seem like a sensible choice for Williams...they end up with one (very rich) rookie and one who's done a season in a slow car and is known to be "difficult".....are they really that hard up?
It'll be good to see James Allison back in the paddock 🙂
Sky reporting on the Bottas story updated 30mins ago
What's the deal with Lowe? Can't see why'd he'd want to move and can't see why Merc would want rid. I must be missing something.
A new challenge for him? I think that's a lot of what it's about for those sort of guys at that level. I don't think Merc do want to lose him, but if he wants to go there's nothing they can do to stop him.
What's the deal with Lowe?
Perhaps he hopes people will listen to him! 😉
I had made the assumption that Williams had offered him more influence within the team- it's pretty crowded at the top at Mercedes! 🙂
The usually reliable Joe Saward reckons Bottas is tied to Williams as part of Stroll being installed there, something to do with setting up the car as Stroll wouldn't have any experience of that. So to wiggle Bottas to Merc they'd need to also fill the Williams gap with someone more experienced than Wehrlein, and if that person was available why wouldn't merc take them and avoid the hassle?
Joe is adding substance to the lowe story though.
I'm actually really excited about Paddy Lowe rejoining Williams, I think it may mean that they start moving back up the grid again. I'd love to see a resurgent, dominant Williams team! It's been far too long! 🙂
Getting Button into that 2nd Mercedes seat must be the best way forward!! 🙂
Getting Button into that 2nd Mercedes seat must be the best way forward!!
Quite! 🙂
Getting Button in the Williams seat was quite appealing to Williams a few months back!
That would be a very neat solution! Just not sure if JB would go for it though. I get the feeling that he'd only be tempted to come back if it was a championship winning car! 🙂
I got the feeling Button would take the retainer on the premise that it would be extremely unlikely he would ever need to get back in a mchonda (or any other F1 car) - just show up at a few events and look dashing.
I bet he's hoping Alonso really doesn't go to Merc
[quote=shermer75 ]That would be a very neat solution! Just not sure if JB would go for it though. I get the feeling that he'd only be tempted to come back if it was a championship winning car!
Which is why the Merc is probably the only possible available seat he'd take. Though I get the feeling he might even have second thoughts about a drive in a car miles ahead of the rest with a rookie as a team-mate - he's realised there is life outside F1 and looking forward to it (and why wouldn't you when you can do anything you like?)
F1 2107 gets more awesomer - Maldonado in the new fast cars should equal some great crashes!...
http://www.grandprix247.com/2016/12/13/maldonado-i-hope-to-be-on-the-f1-grid-in-australia/
Not surely how well he's going to do without Venezuelan oil money! 🙂
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38335169 ]looks like Bottas[/url] to mercedes.
With Paddy Lowe's know how and the extra cash coming their way Williams might be on for having a pretty strong car for the 2018 season..
Crashtor in a Mercedes. Let's not **** about, I want some full on red flag carnage.
More seriously, Bottas to Williams and Massa to return to partner Stroll would seem an elegant solution.
More seriously, Bottas to Williams and Massa to return to partner Stroll would seem an elegant solution.
It's looking like that's the way it will go. I wonder why they passed over Button?
Who, Williams? Massa's a known quantity for them, it's a long time since Button was in a Williams. Makes more sense to me.
Button has said he doesn't want to be mid-pack. Even with Paddy I don't think Williams are going to have a front runner next year. Button also seems quite intent on retiring. A drive for merc might persuade him but I doubt he'd go elsewhere.
That beeb article is still quite vague and speculative. Although bottas would be a nice fit, I do wonder if there's going to be a curveball.
I wonder how much Merc are offering Massa to take the drive at Williams? It seems like the final piece of the puzzle. We'll have to go through the whole retirement process again in Brazil. Failing that just get Massa in the Merc and bring back the Schumacher years 🙂
No, Button to Mercedes. It seems like a good solution, but not one that has been seriously considered as far as what I've heard from the press
No, Button to Mercedes. It seems like a good solution, but not one that has been seriously considered as far as what I've heard from the press
Nope - can't see that happening. No point in Mercedes having a 'seat-warmer' for a year.
Better to stick Wehrlein in and take a punt on a young driver.
If any of the big-hitters (Alonso, Vettel, Ricciardo) wanted out of their contracts they'd find a way of doing it right away, not wait another year.
All roads still point to Bottas for me.
Also I wouldnt rule out Sainz going to Mercedes.
He and Max were close in their Toro Rosso days. No space in RBR for the immediate future and Horners given clues about not wanting to stand in his way. Back fill the Toro Rosso seat with another guy from the Red Bull driver programme (or Wehrlein).
Solves the Williams problem of not having an experienced driver.
Nope - can't see that happening. No point in Mercedes having a 'seat-warmer' for a year.
It seems to me that this is exactly what they do want, so that they can promote Wehrlein once he's had more experience
Agreed, I d love to see Sainz get promoted, he's a great driver and comes across that a great bloke too. Where have you have Horner saying that he's open to that? The only bit I read was saying the opposite lol
It seems to me that this is exactly what they do want, so that they can promote [s]Wehrlein[/s] Ocon once he's had more experience
Fixed that for you! 😀
Lol!
I wonder how much Merc are offering Massa to take the drive at Williams?
They probably don't need to persuade him, apparently he wants to race and it was only his replacement by Stroll (and his cash) and no other halfway decent seats on offer that prompted his retirement. He'd probably bite Williams' hand off!
Button on the other hand sounds like he's basically had enough.
Button on the other hand sounds like he's basically had enough.
I think he's had enough of not getting into Q3. I reckon he'd come back for a championship contending car
If you look at Jenson's body language during the last six races and his race performances, then it's pretty obvious that he'd resigned himself to retirement.
Then there's this (paraphrased) quote: "We waited until after the contract (reserve/sabbatical for 2017/18) was signed before Jenson was shown any of the design for the 2017 car". For him to jump ship to Merc would be a conspiracy theory too far. He's a placeholder at McLaren, partly to help develop the car and partly as an insurance policy against Fernando walking mid-season. Don't forget that there have been two seasons on the trot that McLaren have had to draft in the reserve guy.
But, I'd really, really like to be proven incorrect.
Smart money says Bottas to Merc. He's a proven talent, the right age to stay with the team for some years and his character is calm and measured, in contract to Hamilton's somewhat mercurial nature. The last thing Merc wants is a partnership akin to Mansell and Piquet (like Hamilton and Alonso/Vettel for example).
As for the vacant Williams seat, they need an experienced hand, crucially with alcohol sponsorship requiring a more mature driver than Stroll and Wehrlein/Ocon. That leaves Massa (with no contract commitments for 2017) or Button (tied to McLaren for the foreseeable).
For me I would summarise it as-
Most desirable: Sainz
Most likely: Bottas to Mercedes, Massa to Williams
Hardest to understand: Why Button isn't being considered more
Another excellent article from James Allen. One small side note- Hulkenberg must be absolutely kicking himself!! Is he destined to be one of great 'nearly-men' of Formula 1?
Why would you consider Button?
Why Button isn't being considered more
he's expensive, he's retired, there are many many drivers that bring more sponsor money with them. On the plus side, he's a known quality, if you've an alcohol sponsor he passes advertising standards, erm....
Is he destined to be one of great 'nearly-men' of Formula 1?
Even nearly men can get lucky once in their F1 career!
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And in all honesty the Renault works team could be the ideal for him, as he could stay for a good few years until they are pushing at the front.
there are many many drivers that bring more sponsor money with them.
Sponsor money is of no interest to Mercedes.
Mercedes are looking for someone who can reliably bring in the points, will play well with Hamilton and is available. Button ticks the first two and suits the last more than most on the grid- not that he's even on the grid right now!
Button has said he doesn't want to be mid-pack
In which case its a good job he has quit as he has never been more than a mid pack driver. His WDC was only possible due to Brawn. As soon as the rest of the field added the same trick to their car then he stopped winning.
In which case its a good job he has quit as he has never been more than a mid pack driver.
It's prob worth looking at his record against Hamilton for the 3 years they were together at McLaren. He gave him a run for his money in 2010 and 2012 (only two points behind) and comprehensively beat him in 2011 (he came 2nd in the drivers championship, Hamilton 5th).
as he has never been more than a mid pack driver
well, he's been 3rd, 2nd and won a championship in his career, and suggesting that his win was down to Brawn...well, obvs 🙄 who've guessed that having the fastest car would give you edge... You have you seen how badly Alsonso has done when not in competitive equipment?
I'm comparing him to Hamilton because, as a three time world champion, he makes for a pretty effective benchmark. But if you like in 2011 he also beat Alonso (widely recognised as the greatest driving talent of his generation) and Mark Webber, who was driving a Red Bull during one of their insanely dominating seasons. Not bad for a mid pack driver! 🙂
I presume the 2011 Canadian GP was also the drive of a mid pack driver! Or maybe chrismac doesn't actually follow F1 that closely.
It's widely acknowledged that Button may not be consistently the fastest driver on the grid (though he's very close, and certainly capable of winning WDC given a good car, as indeed he did in the one season where he did have the best car), but on his day with a car which suits him he's been unmatchable. Not something you could say about a genuine mid packer like Nico 😈
BTW when was the last time the WDC was taken by a driver not in the best car? 2007?
I guess thats a comprehensive case for considering Button then. The 2011 Canada race had it all including the quote " What was he doing?".
Why not read up on the double diffuser controversy and Brawn, the teams technical representative who covered up the double diffuser and managed to keep it hidden until the other teams caught wind/caught up. After Buttons massive lead early in the season as soon as the DD's cover was blown his lead eroded from then on.
As for Alonso. I'm not convinced. A good driver most definitely.
A great driver wins titles in more than one Marque.
Why not read up on the double diffuser controversy and Brawn, the teams technical representative who covered up the double diffuser and managed to keep it hidden until the other teams caught wind/caught up. After Buttons massive lead early in the season as soon as the DD's cover was blown his lead eroded from then on.As for Alonso. I'm not convinced. A good driver most definitely.
A great driver wins titles in more than one Marque.
Its widely acknowledged by anyone with a modicum of knowledge Brawns lead was eroded as they had zero funds available to develop the car. The car that started the season then was developed very little apart from the parts Honda had already funded in development steps for the coming season.
As for Alonso he has been pretty unfortunate with team moves where as lulu has been fortunate. Badly advised or taking chances who knows.
Lulu?
As for Alonso. I'm not convinced. A good driver most definitely.A great driver wins titles in more than one Marque.
Senna? 😯
No doubting alonso's driving ability IMO, one of the greats. Outside the car is questionable, he seems very disruptive, except in a team run by flav