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Oh FFS! The 'Start your engines' thing really doesn't work.
Oh well, let's get on with the racing.
It’s not normal btw
Phew, just the usual over the top American crap then. Hopefully just a one off and they'll look back on it and realise just how cringeworthy it was to watch 😆
They won't. 🙁
Wow! Mega driving by Bottas. 🙂
Twodogs - Member
Lewis has more to lose if Vettel lunges on first corner..and may just let him through...which would be v boring!
I was half right..didn't expect Lewis to get back past so quickly
How many teams do Richard Mille sponsor? I've seen it on both Haas and McLaren..
Was anyone else hoping Lewis would take a knee?
I was curious to see what he was gonna do. He talked about it a lot, it'll be interesting to know the full story..
hailing from Stevenage....
Gave me a chuckle too! 🙂
Apparently Kvyet was introduced as 'The Torpedo' lol
Did they do "Kevin 'suck my salty ***s' Magnusson"??*
* or was that Ericsson?
Ricciardo had an oil failure?
This is a great race! It's been a LONG time since I said that about an F1 race.
Ricciardo had an oil failure?
Engine failure. It was consuming a lot of oil.
Well done Max
Verstappen was stunning in getting past raikkonnen! Proper balls-out driving there 😀
He had all 4 wheels off the track for that overtake....
That was a top race! Max has some balls! It’s a great track too, one of the best for overtaking
Unbelievable!
Great race, what a move, superb!
Cracking race - some good battles all the way down the grid.
And if Merc can tear-up Bottas's contract they should do and give the drive to Danny Ric. Bottas is proving to be the average drive I hoped he wasn't. He should have closed the door a lot more firmly on Vettel, but he flagged up what line he was going to take way to early.
Looked like a 5 second penalty to Verstappen popped up on screen just as C4 went to the ads. Hope not!
Yeah, Bottas is a disappointment....would love to see Riciardo in that car.
I saw 5 sec for someone...couldn't see who
Looked like a 5 second penalty to Verstappen popped up on screen just as C4 went to the ads. Hope not!
Yep - he's just been booted out the waiting room! 🙂
21:44
Verstappen to drop down to fourth
Breaking news.
Verstappen was third, but wait, just wait. He has just been given a five-second time penalty for cutting the track and gaining an advantage. That will drop him back down to fourth, with Kimi Raikkonen back to third.
He doesn't know it yet and is chatting casually with Sebastian Vettel. Expect an unhappy Dutchman any time soon.
Ferrari international assistance strike again?
Did look like 4 wheels off to be fair
Good call Daffy! Shame though, it was some move
Yep, demoted to 4th.
Boo 🙁
Still, was great to watch 😀
Tragic really, if he'd been just 6 inches to the left, he'd have been on the track and would've still got the overtake done.
I watched it back in slow-mo and knew Ferrari would be straight on it.
Yeah, Bottas is a disappointment....would love to see Riciardo in that car.
Good chance of that happening in 2019!
Yeah good spot Daffy!
Yeah good spot Daffy!
As Coulthard said....it's stupid they accept 4 wheels off in some corners, but not others. The rule should exist or it shouldn't....
They don’t accept it when a driver gains a place from it, that’s why bottas had to give a place back earlier in the race. To DR I think?
Mark Webber lol
Great drive by Max but he deserved the penalty as he took a shortcut. No point listening to the pundits. DC and Webber are on the Red Bull payroll.
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Did look like 4 wheels off to be fair
Yes but how many others were? The whole track limits thing is a farce. They need a kerb in front of tank traps and a moat.
Did those others gain positions by going off the track? I don't know as I didn't see the whole race. If they didn't, and Max did gain a position because of going off the track, then fair enough: I can understand the discrepancy.
The first two are called running wide, the third is called cutting the corner. The first two don't gains/maintain a position by doing so, the third one does.
It's a fair cop, he left the track and gained position, but what caused him the leave the track? Yes he was going to cut the corner, at that angle, he was always going to, but the reason that all four wheels are off is because there was contact between Max and Kimi at T17.
In that case I think the difference in treatment of the various incidents is fairly reasonable.
EJ was talking his usual BS at the end by saying the decision wasn't in the spirit of the occasion etc., which is crap: The simple fact is that Verstappen gained a place by running completely off the track. That has been understandably punished.
The pundits are saying that there were other incidents when positions were gained
Of course the other pundits were saying that. 2 of them are on the RedBull payroll and EJ always talks BS so nothing he says ever counts as sensible.
Chris mac - is this now going to be the point you constantly make now that you can’t moan about Button after each race?
The first two don't gains/maintain a position by doing so
They do if the person doing the overtake overspeeds into the corner to gain the place knowing he can swing wide out of track limits to keep that speed going to hold the place.
Only if someone is close enough to otherwise overtake.
Mika salos instagram has a very different view...
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That makes it look very deliberate, but the perspective is always going to distort it, Kimi did take a wide line, which will exaggerate Max's move.
I'm not sure where I stand on it, on the one hand it feels like punishing the outcome not the crime (a la Sagan in the TdF this year). If you're not allowed all 4 wheels off then you should penalise equally, there's always an advantage, whether great (an overtake) or slight (closing a gap, getting some distance from rivals etc), for me there should be consistency in the penalties. Alternatively, make the kerb more pronounced so it's not a feasible line, or at least not without a massive risk.
Just bring back proper curbs, grass etc. The current situation is a farce, races being won and lost by stewards decisions is a dreadful situation.
Spot on Dragon - that sums it up nicely. If there was grass on the other side of that kerb he wouldn't have been there in the first place and if he was he'd be going straight to the scene of the accident.
The problem is, they have one set of rules for some corners and another set of rules for other corners.
In qualifying, they mentioned that a particular corner was being cut (all 4 wheels over) but this had been deemed to be OK by Charlie Whiting.
There is the argument of did the driver gain an advantage? (i.e. pass someone), but surely any time gained by cutting a corner is an advantage because it makes you potentially faster around the track.
It could be the difference between catching another car towards the end of the race & overtaking, or not getting close enough in the first place. Or, keeping a big enough gap to the car behind that he can't catch you. But they are more intangible advantages than actually getting a pass done.
I agree with the comment above regarding curbs, grass etc.
Stick one of those large 'sausage' kerbs on the inside of the corner, far enough inwards that a small positioning error doesn't get penalised but putting most of your car off the racing line does.
There is the argument of did the driver gain an advantage? (i.e. pass someone), but surely any time gained by cutting a corner is an advantage because it makes you potentially faster around the track.
It could be the difference between catching another car towards the end of the race & overtaking, or not getting close enough in the first place.
That was my point - the penalty is for "gaining an advantage", not for "passing a driver by going off the course". There were certainly fewer instances of the latter, but there were plenty of the former which went unpunished. Hence they're punishing the outcome, not the action.
njee20 - MemberThat was my point
Ah, yes. So, it was.... 🙂
While on the point mr horner expresses the same views as stump01
"It [racing] is what fans want to see," said Horner. "If you don't want cars to go there, put a bigger kerb or put some gravel, or something else there....”
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/horner-f1-needs-new-approach-for-sorting-track-limits-969431/
Brick wall. Focus the mind a little.
Great drive by Sainz. Really impressive to go to a new team and deliver like that.
Great drive by Sainz. Really impressive to go to a new team and deliver like that.
It was! So glad to see another worthy in the Renault team 🙂
bamboo - Member
Chris mac - is this now going to be the point you constantly make now that you can’t moan about Button after each race?
No not really. I just like to point out that the pundits arent as independent as they would like you to believe.
It is much better now Button has disappeared. Far fewer crashes and
Sainz overtaking Perez, all four wheels off the track, no penalty
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Brick wall. Focus the mind a little.
Yep, they don't cut corners at the street circuits.
Or old circuits, with proper curbs. I'm all for drivers being allowed more free room to make use of curbs etc, but it should be a proper curb (not just paint) and also consistent for everyone across all sessions in the weekend.
Proper track - Italy
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Sainz overtaking Perez, all four wheels off the track, no penalty
But with that he took the long way around so did they view it differently?
shermer75 - Member
Sainz overtaking Perez, all four wheels off the track, no penalty
I posted that and then deleted it, according to the reddit comments apparently Sainz bailed out and gave the place back.
Here's Lewis' take on it
https://twitter.com/FiftyBuckss/status/922231651710664706
Lewis speaking a lot of sense there! 🙂
Great race - I'm pleased I avoided seeing the results before watching it. Possibly the best race this year? Not a coincidence either - I can remember other good races at that circuit. Particular good points are the amount of space in the first corner and the twisty bits which enable those extended overtakes. How come all of Tilke's other circuits are so rubbish when he can design that? You don't even need rain!
Especially enjoyed seeing the carefully constructed overtakes, like LH on MV where he forced MV to go off line to defend and took advantage a coupld of corners later.
[quote=chrismac ]It is much better now Button has disappeared. Far fewer crashes and
because Button was well known as a crashaholic? Clearly my memory is a bit rusty, maybe you could remind me...
chrismac » It is much better now Button has disappeared. Far fewer crashes and
because Button was well known as a crashaholic? Clearly my memory is a bit rusty, maybe you could remind me...
His one and only race this season resulted in him crashing into some taking them both out of the race
chrismac - MemberHis one and only race this season resulted in him crashing into some taking them both out of the race
The only good move in a boring race TBH. Wehrlein didn't leave-a de space
Hartley staying in for Mexico
http://www.crash.net/f1/news/885863/1/hartley-keeps-toro-rosso-seat-alongside-gasly-for-mexico-gp
Interesting, I guess even though Kvyat did better he’s a known quantity (and on the way out), whilst Hartley is a potential future prospect.
Yep, looks like Franz Tost is very keen to solidify his 2018 line up. Good news for Hartley!
[quote=chrismac ]His one and only race this season resulted in him crashing into some taking them both out of the race
yes, and? His one and only retirement due to a crash last season was ironically enough caused by the same person crashing into him. Meanwhile plenty of other drivers on the grid have caused contact this year (please, please tell me you're a Vettel fan 😈 ) I was assuming from your comment that you think Button caused a significant number of crashes - though clearly it's possible you're either a hater, or just don't follow F1 that closely.
JB didn’t really have a lot to lose at Monaco, he may as well give it a go instead of driving around at the back.
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Quite! Hopefully something will be done, I'm all for sausage curbs and grass myself
Sooo, I've been looking at the contract situation and it looks like the usual summer merry-go-round will be particularly interesting next year with Raikkonen, Hamilton, Bottas and Ricciardo all being out of contract for 2019! 🙂
Can't see Hamo going anywhere unless the red car both improves further, and loses its lead driver. Ricky could be in line for Bottas' seat. Perhaps Kimi retires and Ferrari take Bottas as a dependable number two to Seb
Adding to that Alonso, Hulkenberg and Vandoorne are all also scheduled to be released for 2019. Interesting!