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Hammy emulating John Surtees?
Nope, it'll be another limited edition MV Agusta like [url= http://www.mvagusta.com/en-us/motorcycles/dragster-lh/ ]the last one[/url]
[url= http://www.motofire.com/2017/09/news/mv-agusta-f4-lewis-hamilton-special-edition-lh44/ ]Link[/url]
there're some pretty insane new aero trinkets going on this weekend
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More elements, yay! 👿
It is at least the best Tilke track this weekend, so might be interesting.
With you there aracer - it's slowly creeping back to '07/08 levels of silliness. Remember how clean and pure the 09 cars looked in comparison?
These are really worth a watch if you're interested in aero...
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/video/main-gallery/f1-3d-airflow-the-new-era-is-upon-us-1-2-94935/?s=2
Nope, it'll be another limited edition MV Agusta like the last one
Oh well, never mind ....
Fp2 red flagged after drain cover was flipped up and hits romain grosjean's haas, puncturing the rear tyre and damaging the bodywork
Apols for the express link but it's the only one I could find with the vid
better vid with onboard
He doesn't get a lot of luck that fella, hey? 🙂
shermer75 - Member
He doesn't get a lot of luck that fella, hey?
If he didn't have bad luck he'd have none.
Ooft. Makes a change from complaining about his brakes at least.
great lap from lewis, i get the the feeling they may have been [s]sandbagging[/s] going easy on the power unit a bit in practise wary of what happened to lewis last year.
How come vettel was allowed to start from the back of the grid, even though he didn't take part in qualifying?
I thought he'd have to start from the pit lane?
Not a hater, just an honest question
How come vettel was allowed to start from the back of the grid, even though he didn't take part in qualifying?
Not 100% sure in this case, but it's not unusual.
Anyway - when was the last Honda engine failure? They don't seem to have been blowing up lately! Would be typical if McLaren dumped them when they come good.
Ooooh we have a race on! But when will Verstappens car break!?
😀 at max
"That's how to do it"
good move(s) from ric 🙂
what we need now is a drop of rain 😀
what we need now is a drop of rain
...that would do nicely!
Shaping up for a good finish.
How come vettel was allowed to start from the back of the grid, even though he didn't take part in qualifying?
I thought he'd have to start from the pit lane?
Not a hater, just an honest question
You start from the pit lane a) if you don't make it to the grid or b) if you make changes to the car under parc ferme conditions.
If you just don't qualify then you take last place on the grid assuming no one else has a ton of penalties.
Congrats to Max, but what a drive from Vettel!
Also, Hamilton extracting SUBSTANTIALLY more from the car than Bottas.
Also shows you that a reverse grid CAN work!
That's quite a a lot of damage to Vettel's car from a low speed impact AFTER the race has finished...
[quote=Daffy ]Also shows you that a reverse grid CAN work!
On some circuits maybe - considerably easier to overtake at Malaysia than many of the tracks.
Can't wait to see replay of Vettel/Stroll collision AFTER the race finish! 😆
So that should be reprimand for hitching a ride, maybe for taking the steering wheel, not to mention the incident itself...
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Vettel doesn't exactly look blameless to me. Hard to believe, I know.
Just WOW @ Vettel
I like how a rejuvenated red bull is only bad for mercedes (according to c4 commentators). 😆 🙄
Interesting comment from Lewis in the cool down room to Max.
Said he could have closed the door on him but decided discretion was in order. Seems to be a different mindset from the Lewis of old and certainly different to Seb.
Good race all in all. Would love to see some outside shots of the incident. Blimey - never seen anything like that before!
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[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/24198278 ]hmmmm interesting [/url]
It is Webber's third reprimand in 2013, triggering an automatic grid penalty.The rules say three reprimands in one season will trigger a 10-place grid penalty if two of them were imposed for "driving infringements".
[url= https://formulaspy.com/formula-1/formula-1-news/sebastian-vettel-reprimanded-following-qualifying-32923 ]heres one[/url]
was he reprimanded ramming hamilton in Baku ?
He got penalty points for ramming Hamilton - system is different now, penalty points over rolling 12 month period, even if he got penalty points for that he still wouldn't have enough to trigger a ban, I think he's also due to lose some soon anyway (didn't he get some for a collision in Malaysia last year?)
Not that I think he will get any for the ride - unlike Webber he didn't appear to be told not to do it.
Both were to blame in my opinion.
Seb seems to think he knows exactly what other drivers are going to do in slow speed situations and keeps zooming into them. Strol was picking up rubber on his tyres (as they all do after the race) but decided to do this on a corner by going pretty much straight on. I imagine that he just didn't imagine someone overtaking on the return lap.
[url= https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-one-world-championship/season-2017/race-classification-34 ]fastest lap times makes interesting reading[/url] considering lewis would have done those on the slower compound Vettel on the fastest. Makes me think they rather not push the engines at this stage of the season anymore than they have too.
Strol was picking up rubber on his tyres
Why do they pick up rubber?
also i wonder if there was another issue with vettels car
41 1:34.080
42 1:34.479
43 1:34.867
44 1:34.561
45 1:34.386
46 1:34.802
47 1:35.555
48 1:35.630
49 1:35.654
50 1:35.421
51 1:35.375
52 1:36.279
53 1:36.365
54 1:37.454
55 1:39.368
56 1:41.345
or the super softs really do go off a cliff
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Why do they pick up rubber?
To make sure they come in above the minimum weight limit after the race.
had to save fuel at the end too?
those that started on the softer tyre pitted at half race distance, so vettel shouldn't have had a problem.
also did bottas have issues too ? that's way down for the merc
race speed trap
1 5 S. VETTEL 332.9 15:16:42
2 8 R. GROSJEAN 330.5 16:30:54
3 31 E. OCON 325.3 15:20:12
4 18 L. STROLL 325.1 15:28:31
5 19 F. MASSA 322.6 16:22:22
6 11 S. PEREZ 320.8 15:09:59
7 44 L. HAMILTON 320.8 16:04:54
8 27 N. HULKENBERG 320.2 15:48:17
9 30 J. PALMER 318.6 15:49:57
10 20 K. MAGNUSSEN 318.4 15:56:35
11 33 M. VERSTAPPEN 317.1 16:04:45
12 10 P. GASLY 317.0 16:22:44
13 3 D. RICCIARDO 316.7 15:08:18
14 14 F. ALONSO 316.0 15:48:19
15 2 S. VANDOORNE 314.5 15:26:51
16 55 C. SAINZ 312.5 15:05:07
17 77 V. BOTTAS 311.2 16:07:00
18 9 M. ERICSSON 306.8 15:08:32
19 94 P. WEHRLEIN 303.2 15:05:08
[quote=Klunk ]or the super softs really do go off a cliff
I think they do, but I suspect he also backed off in the last couple of laps when he wasn't really racing for anything.
Bottas was running Mercedes new aero package I believe, while Hamilton had decided it didn’t work and gone back to the old one.
Bottas was running Mercedes new aero package I believe, while Hamilton had decided it didn’t work and gone back to the old one.
I don't think the aero package would be the reason the merc would be 3rd bottom in the speed trap. My guess is most the teams have a pool of 4 shagged engines and are desperately trying to hold out till their rivals blink first so they can blink too. It was lucky for ferrari that they had nothing to lose when the engine blew but I don't think letting vettel rag the **** out of it in that heat was perhaps the best play. lap times from both qualifying and in the race suggest Lewis could run much faster if he really needed to the team just didn't want him too and were quite happy with the finishing positions
Brundle and DiResta think that unless he is very lucky Vettel will need a new gearbox for the next race - and the 5 place grid penalty that goes with it. They couldn't see how - with the amount of damage there was - that the driveshaft wasn't pulled out of the gearbox.
Kimi must be gutted. First, he has to lend Seb his car for the race, then the ungrateful little twerp breaks it on the cool-down lap. 😉
Lewis has been complaining quite a bit about "de-rates" which suggests he isn't getting full performance.
I don't think letting vettel rag the **** out of it in that heat was perhaps the best play.
Vettel needs every point he can get at this stage of the championship so they need to take risks while Merc can afford to play it safe. Merc were struggling for pace and it looked possible that Vettel could catch and pass Hamilton for second, so I guess they decided it was best to just go for it.
Merc were struggling for pace
quali and fastest laps say different.....
Vettel 41 1:34.080 super soft(27)
lewis 48 1:34.452 soft(26)
Ricciardo 55 1:34.770 soft(29)
Max 50 1:34.467 soft(27)
Lewis also banged in a couple mid 34s straight after his pit stop but then stepped off the gas by about a second.
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quali and fastest laps say different.....Vettel 41 1:34.080 super soft(27)
lewis 48 1:34.452 soft(26)
Ricciardo 55 1:34.770 soft(29)
Max 50 1:34.467 soft(27)Lewis also banged in a couple mid 34s straight after his pit stop but then stepped off the gas by about a second.
Merc were struggling with tyre temps on race day.
James Allen:
Mercedes were down after the race and the debrief went on an hour longer than scheduled, as they sought to understand why the car did the same thing as in Bahrain in April. On a hot track with certain types of corner the car slides, overheats the surface of the tyre (especially the supersoft) and that destroys the grip. It wasn’t a problem in qualifying because that took place at 1700 local time, when it was cooler. The race was 1500 and heat was a problem.
https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2017/10/why-mercedes-f1-team-struggled-how-max-verstappen-won-and-why-bottas-is-down/
Great race though, really enjoyed it.
Mercedes were down after the race and the debrief went on an hour longer than scheduled,
I wouldn't be surprised if both drivers take a 5th complete pu for suzuka. Bottas through the speed trap might as well been a honda from last year.
Head to head for Kubica and di Resta for Williams seat then...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/41483083
Williams seem determined to have fairly 'unproven talent' as their main drivers.... which seems an odd approach given that they used to be a front running team and could be again one day.
The decent proven talent is already signed up to other teams though (at least till end of 2018).
I can't think of anyone really good who doesn't have a race seat at the minute. They could nick Sébastien Buemi from Formula E as he has been driving really well the last couple of years.
And Martini need an older driver for promotional purposes.
They could approach Jenson or Nico to see if they fancy a crack at F1 again! 😀
the-muffin-man - MemberThey could approach Jenson or Nico
Nico is Kubica's manager.
Buemi could be tricky. Alain Prost has admitted that even though he believes him to be one of the fastest drivers around at the moment he won't release him to F1 as he needs him in his Formula E team...
Source (in French, sorry..)
[url= http://www.20min.ch/ro/sports/automoto/story/Prost---Buemi-est-l-un-des-plus-rapides-du-monde--21791888 ]20 Minutes[/url]
Williams seem determined to have fairly 'unproven talent' as their main drivers.... which seems an odd approach given that they used to be a front running team and could be again one day.
Yep. Nineteen year old Lance Stroll has a very rich father, who will be largely bankrolling the team. Being nineteen, Lance cannot be endorsed by the main sponsor, especially not in the US so it's very logical to go for an experienced second driver over twenty-five.
Kubica would make one heck of a comeback story, he's apparently very good at setting up a car and eloquent with his technical feedback - essential when the other car has a young rookie.
Di Resta is pretty good too, he's British (a major plus for Williams) and is also supposedly very good at the technical side of things.
Massa had resigned himself to retirement until Claire Williams called him back after Bottas' departure. He's popular, good with sponsors and is still pretty handy but equally he cannot be long for his career, especially when you consider that his most recent win was Brazil, 2008.
Kimi must be gutted. First, he has to lend Seb his car for the race, then the ungrateful little twerp breaks it on the cool-down lap.
Did Kimi lend Seb his car? I must have missed that!
So conspiracy time- did Vettel intentionally crash because he had less than the regulation 1l of fuel left in his tank? Apparently he was running into low fuel issues during the race..
Maybe the fuel was a super high spec so he purposefully used it all up then crashed the car.
There's also the theory that they'd run the car under weight and so crashing gets them out of that too. But really I think it was him making an assumption about what Stroll was doing and Stroll not checking his mirrors properly.
Also Flav was nowhere near the team so deliberate crashing is less likely.
Whilst I do enjoy a good conspiracy theory, I presume a crashed car is still subject to scrutinising, perhaps even more than a non-crashed one?
But presumably you can argue that fluids have leaked out and bits are missing, so of course it's underweight. Still seems a bit of a stretch - Stroll would have had to be in on it.
Head to head for Kubica and di Resta for Williams seat then...
Not if you read the article.
Di Resta, 31, also has an outside chance of being promoted to a race seat next season, but unless something changes, the decision over 2018 at this stage is fundamentally between Massa and Kubica.
And Di Resta didn't get a seat in an F1 car renewed a few years back, so he can't be [i]that [/i]good. Indeed Sutil consistently out performed him didn't he?
Williams' options are pretty limited tho. It would be amazing to see Kubica in the seat next year but I suspect it will be Massa again
New footage of that post race crash shows Stroll wasn't to blame!...
Was anybody blaming Stroll before (apart from the bloke who never thinks he does anything wrong)? Interesting footage, but I'm not surprised by it.
the-muffin-man - Member
New footage of that post race crash shows Stroll wasn't to blame!...
You can see Stroll is taking quite a wide line, but that's to be expected on a cooldown lap. Not sure why Seb would be taking a racing line at that point and it was a bit careless not to anticipate Strolls line but there we go. I think no further action was the right call.
What's unacceptable is Seb once again acting like billy big bollocks who can do nothing wrong. Just like his crash with Max/Kimi, his brake test thing with Lewis and the multi-21 debacle, his attitude stinks.
Stroll seems to be maturing quickly. He'll never shake off his pay driver tag, but he's proving himself to be no Pastor Maldonado.
I do miss Pastor though.
Never quite got the Maldonado hate....yeah he crashed a bit, but he wasn't exactly slow! .....and let's not forget, he won a race. Now I'm not saying he was an all time great, but you do not win an F1 race if you're shit!
Tom B - Member
Never quite got the Maldonado hate...
Again, like Vettel he never accepts the blame for anything. The difference though is that he consistently was to blame and the incidents happened like clockwork.
..Also probably something to do with having his 'ban for life' at Monaco overturned with an alleged large pile of wonga.
But he was a sponsor's dream. If you had your stickers all over Maldonado's car then you'd guarantee that they'd be seen by millions of people.
Even if they would be upside down on a wrecked car left broken next to a trackside portaloo.
Verstappen almost signed for Merc according to reports
Verstappen almost signed for Merc according to reports
As in almost signed for 2019 or almost signed in the past?
Why on earth was the on-board from Stroll's car not available to the stewards in the post race evaluation of the incident?! Something not quite right there - the stewards should have access to anything and everything immediately.
I'm not normally one for conspiracies but Vettel has been racing cars for long enough not to do something like that by accident. I think that may have been intentional.. and also taking his steering wheel with him was odd.
Verstappen almost signed for Merc according to [s]reports[/s] wild speculation.
There’s onboard footage from the car behind Stroll (and Vettel) which shows Stroll suddenly heading right relative to the car behind.
It’s on here.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/headlines/2017/10/vettel-stroll-clash-malaysia-no-action.html
Now you can only see the relative positions really but that’s two cars following roughly the same line and Stroll following a different line.
Am I allowed to be suspicious that the Sky footage is behind a paywall when I try and view it?
Am I allowed to be suspicious that the Sky footage is behind a paywall when I try and view it?
No paywall. And available here too...
https://www.grandprix247.com/2017/10/05/new-video-exonerates-stroll-in-vettel-collision/
and also taking his steering wheel with him was odd.
Not really. Those steering wheels cost £250k + don't they. Quite a souvenir for a spectator when they flood the track post race.
(He's been quoted as saying he couldn't re-attach to the steering column due to the wheel angle and didn't want to leave it in his seat).
There was a paywall for me. Seen it on YouTube now.
Being charitable to Lance, that’s a slack line.
Check the one I linked to from the car behind though.
In relative terms he suddenly veers over - in absolute terms it’s harder to tell.
Hmmm... and looking at the video which exonerates Lance, he does slacken the steering - watch his hands. Edit : admittedly not be much.
Also the words about him remaining a constant distance from the kerb don’t tie in with the pictures.
Also the words about him remaining a constant distance from the kerb don’t tie in with the pictures.
He barely moved and was hardly lurching across the track as suggested by Seb.
Obviously Seb needs a wider track than Malaysia! 😀
Have you seen the footage from the Haas (I think it was a Haas)?
That makes it look almost deliberate by Stroll (I’m sure it wasn’t)