[Closed] F1 2017 (Bound to contain spoilers!)

It's pretty clear cut.

LH didn't do anything wrong. SV made a mistake and in the heat of the moment massively over-reacted. Doesn't excuse it and doesn't do him any credit still denying that he cocked up.

If I was a betting man I'd put a tenner on sweet fa happening to Vettel other than lots of frowning from the powers that be.

If I was a betting man I'd put a tenner on sweet fa happening to Vettel other than lots of frowning from the powers that be.

Ditto - if Hamilton had won the race (which he would easily have done), the fallout wouldn't have been half as bad.

Yeh I'd agree he should just admit he's in the wrong - however I think the punishment for what he actually did is enough.

Driving into the back of LH was a racing incident and then the bit pulling alongside him wasn't dangerous really - just a bit of a weird and very unsportsman-like behaviour. Really wasn't impressed with that!

Having said that - if it wasn't for Vettel being a ridiculously competetive nutter we'd have another massive snorefest season where the other ridiculously competetive nutter Lewis hamilton just drives off at the start of every race and then wins all the time. Boring!

Nice guys usually finish last (well not consistently at the front) in F1 - it needs self obbsessed, tantrum throwing nutjobs to make it interesting. At the moment we have are lucky to have three great candidates to make it entertaining - Max V, LH and SV.

Anyway to summarise - what I'm trying to say is that Vettel is a ****. Long live the ****s and put them all into F1 cos they make the racing exciting!
(and don't punish Vettel to the point where he's out of contention for the title - cos its more exciting when there are more potential champs)

Vettel is a disgrace and got off lightly.

I'm still wanting to see what punishment Mercedes get for the failing safety equipment.....

Being ordered into the pit to fix it and losing 22 seconds not enough for you?

the bit pulling alongside him wasn't dangerous

No, but steering into him was a) potentially dangerous (could have damaged LH's suspnsion b) massively unsportsmanlike, and setting a crap example

Losing his points for that race would leave him in contention, but prove that the FIA care about safe driving, as they claim

Should've been a black and orange flag as soon as he was racing and faffing at the same time. Being less facetious, I do wonder if scrutineering had a look/word

I do wonder if scrutineering had a look/word

He was instructed to come in by the stewards.

"my car veered off cos my other hand was giving him the bird" Lewis should have taken a leaf out of footballs book and taken a "dive" and veered off into the barrier when seb hit him and then feigned injury. That should have got all his (seb) wdc points taken off him 😉

Driving into the back of LH was a racing incident

Strange how the race lap counter was going down. The pace of the race might be controlled but the race was still live.

He was instructed to come in by the stewards

I mean a proper look at the mechanism to see why it could fail.

Breaking news.......

[url= http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/40431244 ]FIA to have meeting 3/7/17[/url]

Wonder if they'll put Seb on the naughty step?!

https://adamcooperf1.com/2017/06/28/fia-confirms-vettelhamilton-investigation/

Interesting point here on the Mexico points decision regarding setting an example. I know this is a different type of transgression but you could make a solid case that the point holds.

The governing body noted then: “The FIA will always condemn the use of offensive language in motor sport – especially when directed at officials and/or fellow participants – [b]and expects all participants in its Championships to be respectful and mindful of the example they set for the public and the younger generation in particular[/b].

they were under the safety car they were not racing

Grey area as it was coming up to restart. I'd argue that there is a competetive element to that.

Actually it's not. They're still under safety car conditions with the lead car taking on that role which is why you still can't overtake anyone. You can position all you like but there are rules for the lead car (which LH adhered to) and everyone else.

You can position all you like

Vettel's defence 😉

as noted the safety car is the equivalent of stopping the race and restarting except they go round in a procession with no one allowed to "race"

the race officially restarts

When the safety car is ready to leave the circuit it will extinguish its orange lights, indicating to the drivers that it will peel off. Drivers must continue in formation until they cross the first safety car line, where green lights will indicate they are free to race again. However, DRS will not be re-enabled until two racing laps have been completed.

Seems clear to me its a procession and not a race until the safety car has gone

Yes the race is still live but they are not allowed to race
therefore its not possible to have a "racing incident" as you are not actually racing. Its just a driver error/mistake/miscalculation or failure to follow the rules. same as if you ram someone on the procession lap - its not a racing incident in the sense it is usually applied

Aacch, he was just bumping shoulders to say "oi, hammerman dinnae be dayin' that eggen". 😉

PS does anyone else thing someone named Lewis Hamilton ought to be Scots?

Button doesn't seem to think it's a big deal:

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/40444283 ]BBC Sport F1[/url]

Nor Brawn on the same link.

I've not seen it mentioned at all, but didn't Vettel also overtake LH during that incident? For which he hasn't been penalised - yet...

i suspect he never actually got truly past his he just rammed him then side swiped him but he should not be at his side

I think the rules say must not overtake rather than must stay behind though

I'm being pedantic, but from the clips I saw I'm fairly sure he got his nose in front.

tbh I dont disagree he should never have been there he then rams him

Its hard to understand why they gave such a small penalty for such a major [ series of]transgressions resulting in a deliberate crash into another car.

Also being pedantic a racing incident happens during the race rather than there needing to be a competitive state.

If they weren't racing, the entire penalty system does not apply. It is still considered to be racing albeit neutralised.

INCIDENTS DURING THE RACE
38.1 The race director may report any on-track incident or suspected breach of these Sporting
Regulations or the Code (an “Incident”) to the stewards. After review it shall be at the
discretion of the stewards to decide whether or not to proceed with an investigation.

All this pedantry is like being back in the days when Spanky ran the FIA. Joe Saward makes an interesting point that Todt has pushed the FIA as a road safety organisation so having its most visible stars driving in an unsafe manner doesn't sit well with that, especially when he's up for re election soon.

pedantic a racing incident happens during the race rather than there needing to be a competitive state.

That was not even one of the inherent consequences of the safety car system never mind racing so it cannot be considered a racing incident - perhaps the hitting him from behind but certainly not the pulling alongside gesticulating then hitting

Had they done that at full speed in a race it would still not be a racing incident it was a deliberated hit

I see Mosley had taken a break from [s]C&H[/s] retirement to chip in.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/24182/10930902/sebastian-vettels-collision-with-lewis-hamilton-in-azerbaijan-gp-intolerable-says-max-mosley

I would of thought if there was one person to approve of germans hitting people then it was he 😉

disclaimer he rightly sued them for the nazi slur and won libel for it and anyone is free to do as they please in the bedroom with consent between adults
its just a joke.

[url= https://twitter.com/RedHourBen/status/880113885314822144 ]https://twitter.com/RedHourBen/status/880113885314822144[/url]

LH challanged to Dodge ball can SV be on other team?

Todt has pushed the FIA as a road safety organisation

This explains the Raphael Nadal road safety posters around here I guess. What a tennis player knows about road safety more than, say, the average bloke in the street I'm not sure.

Dennis sold out of McLaren
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula-one/40455584

Yep - end of an era. No matter what you think of him he transformed McLaren into one of the most successful teams ever.

does anyone else thing someone named Lewis Hamilton ought to be Scots?

The other Lewis Hamilton is from Perth:
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Scathing blog on Ferrari by Darren Heath (saught out after reading Joe Sawards blog)...

http://www.darrenheath.com/blog/disgracing-themselves

Ok I'm gonna say it..

Ron Dennis to enter a new F1 team with Chinese backers.. there you go!

Also possibly taking a Merc / honda engine too.

He's got £275m to play with! 😀

There were rumours he was behind a deal to buy Manor earlier this year. I don't think we've seen the last of him.

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Vettel's defence

"Just a little rubbing- rubbing's racing!"

It would be fine in touring cars... 😉

Hamilton does seem to have an issue with people driving into him. If it's not Rosberg, it's Vettel.
On real roads his insurers would have said stop being unlucky and bumped his premium up.

Scathing blog on Ferrari by Darren Heath (saught out after reading Joe Sawards blog)...

http://www.darrenheath.com/blog/disgracing-themselves

Good blog that. Thanks

He's got £275m to play with!

from the blog:

Ferrari really are a horrible team right now. Dismissive of interest, completely devoid of any grace, charm or humility, they exude an aggressive arrogance that is bitter in its mien and wholly unpleasant to experience. From team management to press staff through to the aggressive and often looking-for-a-fight mechanics, this bellicose attitude is projected with a focused zeal; and, sadly, it appears to have infected Vettel's on-track demeanour.

Just flicking through the usual crap on Friday night tv only to see DC on Crystal Maze.

Fingers crossed he doesn't make it out.

I see birthday boy is due in Paris today for a chat with Todt.

Looking forward to hearing to the excuses for no further action.

Well what a surprise...no further action against Vettel

Not quite - first off he admitted being a dick and apologised, and he's effectively got to do community service for the FIA at a bunch of other events over the next year, has been barred from endorsing any FIA road safety message and has effectively got a final written warning about his future conduct.

Is that the final final warning? I reckon the letter from his mum did the trick with the FIA

We all know he's a dick anyway.

Can't say I'm surprised but I was hoping for something. Imagine if it was Verstappen ramming Vettel?

There'd be utter pandemonium from Vettel/Ferrari/the Italian press etc.

Its great seeing the Italian spirit affecting the German. Thats the whole common market ethos at work.

I'd have been more impressed if he'd admitted he was a dick and apologised [b]before[/b] being forced to by FIA

What would Senna have done?

Another test for Kubica, and he's been working in the simulator too - possible return after the summer break, otherwise what's is all for?...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/40492882

So then - what are we expecting from todays race? Should be a good one.

If Bottas can win, I can easily see this developing into a 3 way fight for the title. He isn't that far behind and seems to have settled in nicely now at Mercedes.

And a chance of rain to spice things up!

Kubica can't return without his Super Licence, so without driving in a championship under F1 he can't get it.

I fancy Vettel today, but Verstappen should do well if it rains.

Kubica can't return without his Super Licence, so without driving in a championship under F1 he can't get it.

He can be granted one by the FIA - there are loopholes for exceptional circumstances. I think we covered this a few pages back <<<

Found it...

If the driver hasn't made at least five F1 race starts the previous year or at least 15 starts within the previous three years he/she must have accumulated at least 40 points during the three-year period preceding the application.
or in exceptional circumstances, those who have not met those criteria but have demonstrated "outstanding ability in single-seater formula cars" and achieved 300 kilometres (190 miles) of running in a Formula One car.

Not quite sure how Kyat is still in F1 - Red Bull must have better drivers in their development programme.

Not a massively exciting race

Ha Ha shoey for brundle maybe

Not quite sure how Kyat is still in F1 - Red Bull must have better drivers in their development programme.

I'm not a big fan of his, but I think he's faster than many give him credit for, so maybe Red Bull think he's faster than the alternatives. He's compared with Vettel, Ricciardo, Verstappen, and Sainz, all of whom are absolutely first rate. I suspect his habit of crashing into things is overdriving. Still, I can't imagine they will want to keep him on for next year.

Not the best race I've ever seen, shame we didn't get a bit more rain to spice it up a bit.

Congrats to Mart P who is winning the STW fantasy league, GT9000 in 2nd and Dooos UK in third.

Do you have a link to the league site. My old one is broken so can log In to make changes.

Thanks

Started watching last night at about 9. Fell asleep twice then gave up and went to bed. Might try again tonight.

Kvyat has never really recovered from his unceremonious punting from Red Bull last year. He's not shining as brightly as Sainz - himself the subject of speculation that he may be departing, I'd be willing to bet that Kvyat will be moving on by the end of the year or leaving F1 entirely.

Pretty boring race I thought. It might have been spiced up a bit if Vettel had caught Bottas and Hamilton had caught Ricciardo 10 laps earlier.

Vettel is getting more ****-ish by the race.....boo hoo, he jumped the start....erm, no he didn't.....well they say he didn't, but we all know he did......boo hoooo. Div.

Can anyone explain why Seb wouldn't just admit Bottas didn't jump the start once the data came in? Seems a binary decision to me, he either did or he didn't - no room for opinion - and the data show he didn't. I used to quite like Vettel but he's fallen in my estimation over the last couple of seasons.

Red Bull obviously see something in Kvyat that we don't!... 🙂

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/kvyat-new-toro-rosso-contract-928978/

I have nothing serious to add, other than somehow I managed to top the global league for the round. How the hell that happened, I have no idea! 😀

Oi Londonists - want to see some F1 tomorrow?

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-to-hold-london-street-demo-on-wednesday-929347/?s=1

Meantime I'm struggling to book my parking for Silverstone on Friday...

I wonder if Silverstone are hoping some other circuits might take a stand to overturn Bernies old fee structure?

Oi Londonists - want to see some F1 tomorrow?

Wow, wish I'd known about that before I'd cycled in this morning. Tempted to go for a look anyway en route home.

The Honda plot thickens - Sauber Honda deal now looks to be off, and if McLaren dump them they could be without a team next season.

There seems to have been a softening of words from McLaren recently, so possibly sticking with them after all!?

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/sauber-honda-engine-deal-called-off-929575/

Interesting. One of the things that has hurt Honda's development programme is the lack of on-track mileage compared with rivals.

Despite the bellicose hitherto comments from McLaren, it'll take a long time for Honda to put together a competitive engine. At the very least, they need to design, build and commission a dynamometer that replicates on track conditions at the factory. There's a great deal of puzzlement from Honda engineers as to why improvements gained in the R&D dept don't translate to on-track successes. I can't see Honda making much headway in 2017, which will inevitably lead to Alonso's exit by the end of the year. McLaren's tone towards Honda changed noticeably at Austria, perhaps at least both parties have agreed a development roadmap for the months ahead.

It's a compelling story, more exciting than some GPs of late.

Looks like Kubica is edging closer to a proper Renault seat

http://www.planetf1.com/news/another-step-closer-for-kubica/

Would be amazing to see Kubica back at Renault.

I note the rumour on Planet F1 about McLaren making a Ferrari switch next season as an attempt to retain Alonso. I'll believe that when I see it.

My money is on McLaren keeping Honda again next year and Alonso either being with them or quitting to set up his bike racing team.

Interesting rant-ette from Joe Saward about Sauber's ownership:

https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2017/07/12/notebook-from-trafalgar-square/

ThePurist... sat in The Clarence right now.... next to it.

So what do we think of the Shield then? I'm not offended by how it looks - and a million times better than the Halo - and in some angles it looks pretty cool...

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http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2017/07/14/first-pictures-shield-action-track/

Quite like that, it's rather cool.